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How do you create intimacy and connection with readers? While some writers have a way of letting you inside their mind, Ava Huang has a way of letting you inside her heart. There's an intimacy about her writing - an honesty, a tenderness, a contemplative-ness, a sense of connection that shows up in her work and it's what makes her unique. Ava sees writing as a distinct form of consciousness. This process of continually excavating your mind to find out what you think and then eventually you realize that you have so much more to say on this topic than you ever originally realized. Ava Huang's story is a treasure trove of insights, of moments that make you pause and think, "Wow, writing is so much more than just words on a page." It's about the heart, the soul, and the contemplative journey that we all take. OUTLINE: 00:00:00 Intro 00:00:45 Cliches 00:02:20 Going deeper 00:03:10 Difficult emotions 00:03:30 Self sabotage 00:07:00 Tools and methods 00:08:30 Dialogue 00:13:00 Writing style 00:16:00 Poetry 00:20:00 Ruminating 00:22:30 Experiences 00:27:00 Notes 00:32:30 Abundance 00:34:00 Psychedelics 00:35:00 Acceptance 00:40:30 Hatred 00:43:30 Twitter 00:44:00 Audiences 00:49:00 Quantity vs Quality 00:50:30 Cultivating taste 00:56:00 Love 00:57:00 Habits 00:58:00 Writing process SPEAKER LINKS: Substack: https://ava.substack.com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/noampomsky WRITE OF PASSAGE: Want to learn more about the next class Write of Passage? Click here: https://take.writeofpassage.school/writing-sprints PODCAST LINKS: Website: https://writeofpassage.school/how-i-write/ Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-i-write/id1700171470 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2DjMSboniFAeGA8v9NpoPv ABOUT THE HOST: I’m David Perell and I’m a writer, teacher, and podcaster. I believe writing online is one of the biggest opportunities in the world today. For the first time in human history, everybody can freely share their ideas with a global audience. I seek to help as many people publish their writing online as possible.
Ava Huang discusses the importance of confronting rejection and feedback in writing. She emphasizes that overcoming writer's block involves living life fully and not being afraid of criticism. This segment highlights the necessity of practice and resilience in the writing process.
"Often rejections in our own minds. You have to confront and get feedback, look your own work in the face. So when you have writer's block, what do you do? Living life and writing when you can an..."
Ava shares her approach to avoiding clichés in her writing, aiming to reach beyond common phrases and self-help jargon. She reflects on the challenge of expressing universal truths in a fresh way, emphasizing the need for originality and emotional resonance in writing.
"you. I also do some copywriting on the side and, um, for the start I would do copywriting for there's like this real focus on kind of trying to speak to these like resonant truths of the human e..."
In this segment, Ava explores the concept of emotional resonance, asserting that many people share similar emotional experiences. She discusses how personal narratives can reflect universal feelings, making the personal relatable to a broader audience.
"reading, walking? I think reading is a lot of it. Um, I have a friend who's also a writer who says that she always listens to music when she writes and then, She gets kind of inspiration from that..."
Ava reflects on the ease of writing about difficult emotions compared to positive ones. She cites the challenge of articulating happiness and the tendency for writers to delve into their struggles, suggesting that emotional depth often leads to more compelling writing.
"alien to you, right? Like that's a line. And I really believe that where I think a lot of people kind of share the same commonality, like the same threads through emotional experience. So if I wr..."
Ava discusses the notion of self-sabotage among writers, questioning whether emotional turmoil is necessary for creativity. She shares her thoughts on the emotional struggles of many writers and the balance between happiness and the need for profound experiences to fuel their work.
"like at least emotionally speaking, that someone else doesn't feel. How do you feel about the difficult emotions and not running away from them and actually trying to turn up the volume of those ..."
Ava shares various tools and methods that aid her writing process, including the influence of music and reading. She emphasizes the importance of rephrasing ideas to capture emotional resonance and bring personal essence into her writing.
"And it just so happens that. Something about the residue of their words, Robost, in your, in your craft. I think everyone who reads takes away something from what they're reading. So there's obv..."
In this segment, Ava delves into the intricacies of writing dialogue. She discusses the differences in dialogue styles among authors and the challenge of creating realistic yet impactful conversations that convey deeper emotional truths.
"It's very stylized. And so I think that's one approach where it's like a very stylized approach to dialogue. And then, like, there are authors who manage to make dialogue feel very natural. And ..."
Ava reflects on the effectiveness of minimalistic writing, where every piece of dialogue serves a purpose. She discusses how simplicity in expression can contrast with intense emotional experiences, making the writing more powerful.
"Um, I think I lean towards like more adjectives, like more complex sentences and. I generally have a sense that I should probably like not do that. Do you want to fight that nature or do you wan..."
Ava shares her past experiences with poetry and how it stems from primal emotions. She discusses the transition from poetry to prose and the importance of conveying emotional experiences authentically in her writing.
"but it's kind of the sense of, like, being able to write something poignant in, like, that little, like, So a few words is very rare, I think, and most people need more words. One thing I've just..."
Ava discusses the act of ruminating as a crucial part of the writing process. She explains how writers often seek to deconstruct their experiences, emphasizing the need to articulate and make sense of their emotions through writing.
"like, I don't know, maybe some people can, but most people can't hold a very, very complex, like, you know, you can't write a whole dissertation in your head usually. So, you need to be able to, ..."
In this segment, Ava reflects on the journey of self-discovery that comes with writing. She emphasizes the importance of understanding one's emotional landscape and how it influences the writing process.
"it was an Amtrak from New York to D. C., I sat down next to an 82 year old woman who was getting back in the dating game. And we just talked the entire time, just total stranger, had a beautiful ..."
Ava discusses the role of emotional extremes in writing, questioning whether one needs to experience highs and lows to create meaningful work. She shares insights on how different writers navigate their emotional landscapes.
"and can't go. And so basically it was this, this maze that you would go through in this pitch black area. And so you'd have to go, there's a slide, there's, you know, these, these, these chains ..."
Ava reflects on the balance between emotional depth and a serene life. She discusses how some writers manage to tap into creativity without extreme emotional experiences, highlighting the diversity of approaches in the writing community.
"notion that Everything needs to be so perfect. And I was like, I'll make you a deal. It's like, I'm not going to allow you to publish something that's not good. Me and one of our other friends, w..."
Ava shares her thoughts on acceptance in the creative process, discussing how embracing one's emotional state can lead to a more authentic writing experience. She emphasizes the importance of allowing emotions to flow into the writing.
"it takes them so long to just like, be okay putting something out there. And then like, they don't realize that like, I guess, like half the time, like, What you think other people will be excit..."
Ava discusses the challenges of dealing with hatred and criticism in writing. She reflects on how negative feedback can impact a writer's journey and the importance of resilience in the face of adversity.
"Strangers. People I know. They're gonna look at what I publish. And they're gonna make a A judgment about who I am as a person and then at the same time, they're like, I'm frustrated because no ..."
Ava shares her insights on connecting with audiences through writing. She discusses the significance of understanding reader perspectives and how to create content that resonates with them.
"they're not kind of like these refined thoughts that are backed up with an argument, they're people like posting, like just like posting whatever comes to their mind in the moment, I think you s..."
Ava reflects on the ongoing debate between quantity and quality in writing. She discusses the balance between producing more content and ensuring that each piece maintains a high standard.
"does quantity lead to quality? I think it's just practice. Like how can you get better if you don't practice? And how can you practice if you're embarrassed about writing badly in like a Google ..."
Ava discusses the importance of cultivating taste in writing. She shares her thoughts on how exposure to various styles and genres can enhance a writer's ability to discern quality in their own work.
"you can't really practice. I think it's very rare for someone to, like, not be writing every day, and then all of a sudden, like, this fully fleshed idea for something great comes to them, and e..."
Ava explores the theme of love in writing, discussing how it influences her work. She reflects on the emotional depth that love brings to storytelling and its significance in connecting with readers.
"marriage. So basically, she and a student, a grad student, fell in love, and she left her husband. And... Married him and the reason why she did that was because when she fell in love with this se..."
Ava shares her insights on developing effective writing habits. She discusses the importance of consistency and discipline in the writing process, emphasizing how habits can shape a writer's journey.
"to go towards certain course of action and like make adjustments based on how my work is going. But I think there's this idea to me, at least at like. Yeah, if you repeat something in the right w..."
In this segment, Ava reveals her writing process, discussing the steps she takes to transform ideas into written words. She emphasizes the importance of reflection and revision in crafting meaningful narratives.
"then my ability to write it down is like a 30. And I'm like, can I please just get that to 40 or 50? And then, like, the reader has to translate that into their own mind, and it ends up being a ..."
Ava discusses her approach to writing, noting that she doesn't journal traditionally but uses her Substack as a form of emotional expression. She contrasts her method with that of a friend who journals daily, highlighting the different ways writers can process their thoughts and feelings through writing.
"you like to to a guy because to write about you is to exercise you I don't want to exercise you yet. She actually thought that like Writing about it meant that she could move through the experience..."
Ava and David explore the difference between factual writing and experiential storytelling. They emphasize the importance of capturing the essence of experiences rather than just the details. This segment encourages writers to focus on the emotional and sensory aspects of their narratives to create deeper connections with readers.
"journal at all. I've tried to keep a journal about like 15 separate times in my life, and I can't. Um, I think the thing that writing the sub stack taught me was like, I should write when I feel..."
Ava shares insights on overcoming writer's block by engaging with life and seeking inspiration from experiences. She reflects on how her job in copywriting has helped her write more freely by reducing the pressure to be constantly inspired. This segment highlights the value of living fully to fuel creativity.
"The Wikipedia fact based explanation of what Paris is, is so different from your experiential one. And I think that a lot of struggling writers don't actually realize how different those two thi..."
Ava discusses her journey to accepting periods of writer's block as a natural part of the creative process. She shares how past experiences have led to a more peaceful relationship with her writing, emphasizing the importance of patience and self-compassion during creative lulls.
"And some are like, you know, these beautiful descriptions of landscape and of nature. And it's like, of course I can't be someone who like doesn't write about like the interior. Like if I don't ..."
Ava reflects on the role of mindfulness in her writing practice, suggesting that being at peace with one's emotional experiences can enhance creativity. She discusses the balance between sensitivity to emotions and the ability to articulate them, emphasizing the importance of mindfulness in the writing process.
"happens when you are not generating anything like in your mind that you want to put down. Um, and I think it stops when you start. experiencing life in a way that makes you want to write it down ..."
Ava shares a personal experience of finding inspiration during a meditative hike. She discusses the struggle to trust stillness and the fear of missing out on creativity. This segment highlights the importance of allowing oneself to pause and reflect to unlock new ideas.
"can and making time for it. But also not agonizing is super helpful because I am remembering now that I used to have just these periods where I would agonize over not being able to write and tha..."
Ava and David discuss the anxiety of feeling like one has exhausted their creative potential. They reflect on the existential crisis of believing all good ideas have been used up. This segment addresses the common fears faced by writers and the importance of nurturing a growth mindset.
"other time I just kind of hung out and I started writing again, but maybe this is the one time I just hang out and then nothing ever happens. And that's just not a very good thought, I think. I'v..."
Ava and David explore the evolving perception of writing skills in society. They discuss the contrast between traditional views on liberal arts degrees and the current demand for strong writing abilities. This segment emphasizes the importance of writing as a valuable skill in various fields.
"you know, able to become a successful comedian. Uh, I think there's something about that. It's like very. Compelling to me. It's like always throw out basically, like just throw out everything yo..."
Ava shares her thoughts on effective writing education, emphasizing the importance of reading quality work and practicing writing across different themes. She discusses the value of critique and feedback in developing writing skills, highlighting the role of workshops in fostering growth.
"conversations with friends where like they're like, they don't necessarily believe that kind of like going through an establishment path is like what produces good writers. And obviously like th..."
Ava reflects on the benefits of writing in real-time through platforms like Substack. She discusses how this approach allows for immediate feedback and learning, contrasting it with traditional writing methods. This segment highlights the evolving landscape of writing and the opportunities for growth in the digital age.
"and just like lots of practice writing about different themes. So, um, one thing I wanted to do is like take more writing workshops. Like I think the workshop model was like very interesting and..."
Ava reflects on the process of discovering the core message of her writing. She explains how writers often struggle to articulate their thoughts and how feedback can help clarify what is essential in their work.
"like, Oh, I can just write in this space and like, that's a way of practicing and getting better too. And like, I can get feedback in real time. We think, I mean, I think about this all the time ..."
Ava discusses the importance of paying attention to what matters to the writer. She shares insights on how meaningful writing stems from personal significance and the writer's engagement with their subject matter.
"most helpful feedback is kind of like what hits and what doesn't hit Yeah, like that is cold. Yes. No Yeah, yeah, uh, even more than, I think being edited on a sentence level is amazing, but like..."
Ava acknowledges the common challenges writers face, including self-doubt and the perception of others' success. She emphasizes that difficulty in writing is a universal experience and does not define one's ability as a writer.
"writer is kind of being able to discover that in your own work, like being able to figure out what's extraneous and what's essential, which I guess you can get with practice. How do you know whe..."
In this segment, Ava explores the aspirational aspect of writing. She discusses how striving for an ideal can lead to both frustration and joy, and how overcoming self-doubt can enhance the writing experience.
"you yourself as the writer pay attention to it. Do you have any mantras that you use when you write, that you have stirring in your mind? I think, uh, what we're talking about, like, the muse has..."
Ava reflects on how writing gives shape and purpose to her life experiences. She shares insights from Cheryl Strayed about how seemingly mundane moments can become meaningful material for writing.
"your back on like what other people are paying attention to and like just the difficulty of that. Um, I think for some reason it's like really helpful for me to know that other people find writin..."
Ava discusses her dedication to writing and the belief that good writing transcends the individual. She emphasizes the importance of being a vessel for ideas and experiences that are beyond oneself.
"resonate with it. Writing is torture. Sometimes. Yeah, but sometimes it's really fun. In what ways? I think writing, like we talked about, is very aspirational for me in the sense of like, there's..."