"Well, it's great to have you. Thanks for Thank you for being here. Thanks for having me. Great to be here. Yes. I've heard that your first startup was written in small talk. Please explain. I don't kn..."

"And what was the dynamic? you know, was there like this blissfully ignorant management that foisted this small talk codebase on a bunch of unsuspecting developers that were then kind of like piling it..."

"interesting approaches there. Um, it didn't have anything on neural networks, I'm almost sure. And I never I mean, I'd read some Marvin Minsky stuff, Society of the Mind or whatever on on on neural ne..."

"VS code has been a step to some extent slightly in that direction but I think we could take it way further and it would be really I mean what what I'd love to see for example is uh when I hover over a..."

"background. Um, and you know, as part of having the AI spend a bunch of time um, thinking in the background, to make that thinking useful, you kind of needed to run the code and then react to it, or e..."

"experimental ideas. Um, and um, in general I will say and yeah, it's not terrible, but um, I feel like there just it's interesting to me that we haven't experimented in some sense that much with the p..."

"languages around both the neurons in your head of like programming languages are kind of complex UI for programmers to define exactly how the computer should function. And so, you know, people learn l..."

"someone said on Twitter today maybe it was Andre Karpathy but maybe I'm misattributing that and you know may too many things to do with vibe coding get attributed to Andre like you know to Churchill o..."

"you know coordinating amongst people. Do you think that there are any ideas from programming that are helpful for the act of kind of programming amongst the organization to get a group of people to uh..."

"of good and bad in the sense that they they endured but also we still um you know uh um we are still uh under the uh the living with their faults. Exactly. Uh and so anyway that that that's maybe the ..."

"now? Um I mean I think that metaphor is is well it sounds true to me um is is the first thing I'd say. I mean maybe there's a little bit of kind of survivorship bias uh where like the actual statement..."

"but that that was a quite important critical decision. um initial decision uh and you know Ruby similarly I guess companies sometimes change languages uh you know along the way but I but I feel like t..."

"I don't know let's say in the case of stripe of money that doesn't like exactly comport with how the particular SQL database you're happens to represent money or you know whatever the case might be. U..."

"judge. Um and so back in 2022 I believe um we I mean to this discussion about data models and abstractions we realized that a couple of the core abstractions in Stripe were just not the right long-ter..."

"it. I mean, I I guess your question was maybe what what lessons we've learned from it and and maybe is there do you think there's anything bigger to draw out of that on either projects that are are re..."

"you know you'll think well you could never have you know a company that's owned by two different companies or something but you know it turns out that sort of every permutation in the space uh is uh i..."

"100%. And so I don't want to know prematurely declare any victory. How do you Patrick Collison use AI? Well I the main ways are the predictable ones where I use LLM chat tools um uh a lot. Uh and and ..."

"So we are interviewing you Patrick Collison as kind of uh the most if you had to pick the architect archetype of a software industrialist. I feel like you would be kind of straight out of central cast..."

"a critique you could have leveled um at progress studies or progress studies style thinking 5 years ago is these are all nice questions but the world is on a kind of um forained escalator path to you ..."

"know, obviously it's it's early days. Uh but uh I think um you know, I I think we're seeing that the diffusion of these technologies through the economy uh really takes time and uh in involves substan..."

"flu the cold covid whatever um uh and you know tuberculosis and you know uh uh very diseases with high mortality rates uh then uh you have monogenic diseases where you know there's just sort of one ge..."

"these conditions you know the ideology and the dynamics and so forth okay then over the last 10ish years I mean a bit longer but a lot of the development has happened the last 10 years we've gotten um..."

"excited if we here at Kerser and also others in the industry are successful in automating lots of programming as we know it today and um you know replacing it with a form of software building that's m..."

"I don't have a high confidence answer to that. You know, there's all sorts of trit stock answers like real assets, especially constrained real assets. Um, you know, maybe we should be long SF real est..."

"point. Um, cursor has uh today hundreds and soon thousands of extremely enthusiastic strip employees who are daily users uh of uh of cursor and they report that it's a you know very significant produc..."