Michael Truell (CEO of Cursor) sits down with Patrick Collison (CEO of Stripe) to discuss programming languages, the role of AI in programming, and building long-lasting software.

00:00 Patrick's first startup in Smalltalk
03:35 LISP chatbots
06:09 Ideas from esoteric programming languages
09:12 Bret Victor and Dynamicland
16:37 Programming human organizations
20:28 Codebase's "Big Bang" and MongoDB
25:49 Rewriting Stripe
32:00 How do you, Patrick Collison, use AI?
38:25 Changes to GDP/TFP
41:56 Programming human biology
46:10 Unexpected beneficiaries of AI