"Uma, welcome to the Zero Knowledge Podcast. Thanks for having me. Awesome. You want to introduce yourself briefly? >> Yeah, so I'm co-founder CEO of Syscoin. Syscoin is a applied cryptography company...."

"So yeah, I actually actually many years ago, partly actually because of AI, but also with social media when people are talking about misinformation, disinformation, and so on and so forth. Years ago, ..."

"could be maybe a big part of that. So you had some slides so maybe you want to go through your slides? Oh yeah. What's your background by the way? You're born in the US you um What's your >> Yeah born..."

"surprised by that? Oh, I mean, absolutely. Uh I think even the close people closest to the metal on this stuff seemed surprised at like how well it's going and even today like the level of math proble..."

"not, you know, that hard to understand why it's so problematic. Um, I would say the state of the art right now for trying to detect AI is use AI. So, people have like trained these AI detectors uh, to..."

"view is that there's a lot of AI text on X, for example, that at least I can trivially detect. It's not this, it's that, and the M dashes, and and so on and so forth, right? And there's certain people..."

"basically perturb the image a bit so you blur it or you crop it or you add some like in indiscernible Gaussian noise to the image and then the AI detectors all completely break. And I think even in te..."

"people mad and at least if I analyze my own reaction on that I don't when someone is sending me something that's obviously AI I think they're either stupid or lazy. They're Why it they're stupid becau..."

"the scientists didn't know what to make of that part, so they spliced in amphibian DNA. And that leads to you know, the the dinosaurs reproducing. The point being that when we are dealing with a situa..."

"political leaders and like kind of similar story across all these different categories of images. And so, our conclusion from this study was that AI detection is a dead end. Um like fundamentally, and..."

"yeah, the AI detecting eyes was like not going to work. Um that seems bad. Um so, it's succinct. Well, okay. AI makes everything fake. That's what you said. What's the what's the solution? Crypto make..."

"this content is like actually real, and like here's the device, and here's like the series of transformations that happened to it." Mhm. Very cool. So, okay, keep going. So yeah, this is the provable ..."

"cryptographically signed it. Like, you you cuz you could do something upstream like the analog hole upstream, you know, the equivalent of putting something in front of the camera, right? Um and we can..."

"this is like a missing piece of that. Mhm. Where we have all of these quote reporters from around the world and on any topic that we care about we can incentivize first party reporting where we pay in..."

"Okay. So, um which she people should go to succinct.xyz? Yeah, people can go to succinct.xyz um or follow us on Twitter @succinctlabs and we will be posting We're building this whole stack and we're g..."

"know, apocryphal apple falling down, right? Like what you think you know is true, if you can track back all the citations all the way back to root, that's the reason that we think it's true. Why is th..."

"Mhm. That is to say, until NYT or the State Department or something like that, their implicit epistemology was, is a reputable source saying it? If so, then true. If not, then false. Now, this was alw..."