"All the people who sold the war in Iraq they lied us into war after a war. They've bankrupted the country, damn near destroyed the dollar, and like no one loses their job. No one even gets in trouble ..."

"and then let's see if maybe we could heal. Where are the tapes? Why is everyone talking about the flight logs and the files? Where are the tapes? This guy was clearly taping people to blackmail them. ..."

"like anything like with left-wing schools of thought or right-wing schools of thought, there's many different camps and different thinkers and so within the kind of broader theme of libertarianism the..."

"about him? A big fan is an understatement. I think Ron Paul is like the greatest living American hero. Um, I I I revere him on the level of of the founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson or George Washingt..."

"he was just kind of alone in the woods being you know they used to call him Dr. No, because well, he was a medical doctor and then he was he would be the lone no vote in Congress like all the time lik..."

"And he was, you know, you imagine what it must have been like from like the lobbyist perspective when they first tried to go there, you know, and they'd be like, "All right, listen. we really need you..."

"worship or something like that. I do think he's a I think he's a genuinely great man and I think great men are to be revered. Yeah, as you said there's integrity there. Can you speak to the ideas that..."

"so there there's a a lot of components to that, but essentially Ron Paul was talking about draining the swamp way before it was like this dominant mass message. And I think Ron Paul in many ways laid ..."

"things for me, okay, at the time. So I was like a I was a young man when I first found Ron Paul. I was I was in uh 2007 was when I first saw him and then started obsessively reading all of his books. ..."

"make sense to like what are what is it exactly that like um all the Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush and and even like Milton Friedman and guys like that and Thomas Soul and the it's like you want a c..."

"of get like like I tapped into something that was outside the empire. And I had um I had heard a lot, you know, I was already against George W. Bush and I didn't like the war. I could I I had already ..."

"to look at this speedy trial are you kidding me like this is like what is going on here they can own guns and their women can wear miniskirts and that and that just made people so angry that they were..."

"that could only happen in a history book. That didn't happen to America in the '9s. 2001 was basically the '9s. Um and uh and it was just like, oh, finally it clicked. It was like, that makes sense. i..."

"through the whole piece and there's not one mention of the million people who died in the war. You know, he literally just goes the piece is just measure life under Saddam Hussein verse life under the..."

"this click for me. But it's in a way and I'm not like I'm not a leftist. I'm not an egalitarian. I'm not a cultural relativist. I'm not saying that all cultures are the same or that we all look at the..."

"the real killers are? You think there's a chance that you could come here and and that is like the most human instinct ever? It's like some other tribe just came in here and killed some people in our ..."

"difficult. Yeah. The military-industrial complex in America. It's so big and it's so sophisticated and it's so so it's not just that there's you know um you know there's this there's the intelligence ..."

"think about it because there's for I think for the most part in human history, you would have had to have some type of plausible threat, some type of plausible reality to convince people that we actua..."

"'92 really. I mean, they had a little they were in the George HW Bush administration, but after '92, they really weren't. So, they're just writing at these think tanks, and it just didn't seem as, you..."

"concerned with my marriage. And the idea that like imagine if there were the political will to uh invade Mexico like if DC decided we're taking Mexico City like that's that's going to be part of Ameri..."

"you don't really know much about the situation. It sounds ridiculous to say but there's something magical about not Taiwan but DSMC. It's incredibly difficult to manage the supply chain and manufactur..."

"coming in. Um, but there's like even when it's like China, you say China's asserting the one China policy, but the one China policy is the policy of the United States of America and has been for 50 ye..."

"of in the position is just like you're like hey we'd sure love if you don't do that. You know you can do it and you can get away with it but we would sure love it if you don't. And so the goal would b..."

"right to kill innocent people there. That's never morally okay. Now there could be a scenario just like this is true in life in general right like there's lots of things that you don't have the right ..."

"about all these these wars. you know it's not like um you know, I think that like let's just say like if you could make World War II like you could reduce it down to the simplest caricature of what Wo..."

"guess essentially I'd say no you don't ever have a right to kill innocent people. It's never self-defense to be killing innocent people. I mean short of like you know some type of scenario where like ..."

"assumption, the axiom of the discussion. Yeah. The the question is, is it is there no other option than doing it this way? It's like, okay, like October 7th happened. We can all agree this was like a ..."

"Obama. But Osama bin Laden very explicitly said when he was asked like "Well, are you just going to target like US military sites or are you targeting US civilians?" It was an interview in the '9s bef..."

"destroyed the legacy of Benjamin Netanyahu. Um who is you know I I mean this isn't like George W. Bush you know was I mean he was on the job for almost a year when 9/11 happened but it was still kind ..."

"liberal Jewish community in Israel wouldn't be able to put pressure on them to make a deal. But what are the options? So, if he doesn't allow the money in, it also looks really bad for him because if ..."

"And much like in the same way that like if you kidnap someone and you lock them in your basement and you don't feed them, you murdered that person. So in other words uh um stated differently, you're n..."

"defending uh Arab terrorism. It's uh I think it's really it's it's a tragedy that the Arabs embraced terrorism. Uh I don't think it's unique to them. And in fact, you know, I think it was the um the Z..."

"rights, being ruled by a government that they do not get to vote uh for or against. Um, no right to do commerce with the outside world, no freedom of travel, no freedom of movement, no basic property ..."

"been to war since you know and like I do at least try to hold out that like that is you know it's not like Egypt is you're not going to say they don't have an issue with radical Islam in Egypt you kno..."

"also remember in the hopeful message you send like at any day you can make a deal. That's one of the frustrating things I had with I hosted a debate on Israel. It's like it just felt hopeless and a lo..."

"Egypt like if the Israelis they're almost like look these are American sock puppets you know for the most part right and So their their thing is that like okay 100% of my population is completely oppo..."

"of their land. And that the whole um a land for people for a people without land was never true. That was just a slogan that made that felt good to avoid what you guys actually did. and the fact that ..."

"no question that they have pursued they have they have pursued a path that was just devastating to their own people and there's no question they have not spent the resources they have on their priorit..."

"mission accomplished banners and flying on jet. I mean, I think all of the I think having Bob Hope specials at the end of the Persian Gulf War was sickening. I just think all of it is like horrific. U..."

"for the prospects of peace. Well, I'd say I get your point. I guess it's an interesting question that I I don't know if any of us know exactly the answer to but I would say that like um you know even ..."

"there's an aggressive military campaign support for Hamas goes back up. So, I just think that like I'm more hopeful than not that like you could get to a place where like but it it requires like you y..."

"his words were, "The Zionist Project always knew it was going to involve transfer." That was Benny Morris's words. Now, when when Finkelestein was grilling him on this on your podcast, he kind of said..."

"have voting rights. And I just by any other like reasonable commonly held standard of democracy, we would not call that a democracy. I mean, like, I'm not again, I'm not even saying this to try to be ..."

"mean look they kill people in a more primitive barbaric way I guess you could say you know there's something a little bit cleaner about like you know when it's done by a government um and it's collate..."

"bad guy and I want to kill you and you're at home with a a bunch of women and children and I know there's women and children there. Like I know for a fact that if I blow up this building it's going to..."

"pretty much and then also when you mix in with that the fact that like you know I mean if you go and I'm not taking an opinion on the word genocide. I don't even like to get into that conversation. I ..."

"know, when when Tucker was on um Pierce Morgan, he said the thing he goes, you know, I don't like my tax dollars being used to intentionally kill children. And a lot of people really objected to that ..."

"the surface level states that the value of every life of every civilian life is equal and high in value. That's a good society. That's the concern with extremist ideology that uh that basically is ver..."

"here. And then just to go one step further, I think particularly like part of the reasons why people have different attitudes about the way two nations fight like what what we think of as war versus w..."

"not the situation here, you know? So like while Israel is saying, hey they're using human shields, it's also like, and that is true, I think, to some degree. I think the Israelis overplay it a little ..."

"like third rails of American politics that if you like if if you have any type of view that is not the the approved authorized view of how these events went, you're in a lot of trouble. If you wanted ..."

"scientifically figured it out. Since you mentioned Daryl Cooper, you're friends with him. Can you tell me about him and tell me about the whole saga about where he got attacked after the the talker in..."

"conflict or the history of this. He is has like the utmost responsibility in the way that he tells the story and the way he presents it. I cannot understand how anyone would listen to his work and com..."

"if that's what you are coming into it for. Okay. One thing I want to say is I think calling Daryl Nazi Nazi sympathizer is just wrong and it it does a lot of damage. I think he's he has a lot of value..."

"go to total war against a civilian population because this one time it was necessary. Like it's and and the idea that Bobby Kennedy said this to me again, somebody who I I really do love and uh admire..."

"was arguing with one guy on a podcast uh and he said that he goes, "You can't allow dictators to have nuclear weapons cuz they might use them." And I was like, "But but we are the only ones who ever u..."

"Um then there's also it's like there's so many weird dynamics because there's no question like I see it all the time. I mean I see a level of like Jew hatred on Twitter that I've never seen before in ..."

"too. Um but then also you're like you don't see that this is going to result in something bad. So there's there's that. Um, but I mean I you know clearly and and what's weird to me is that I I guess i..."

"by fourstar general Wesley Clark. He literally said it was a study paid for by the Israelis that we were going to topple seven countries in 5 years and we didn't get there in 5 years but we've been ma..."

"people get hysterical about it. In a way that's completely not productive. But to me, I think I think of the Jewhating uh nerds and trolls on Twitter as just the other side of the woke. I kind of get ..."

"then with the um with the the Jewing post, too, it's just Yeah. It's it just feeds right into the the opposition side of how to caricature, you know? It's like, oh, so their game is they'll smear ever..."

"because the reason I'm leaning against doing it is because the very people you're talking about cuz I just don't want them to on either side, pro- Israel, pro, it doesn't really matter. But the chanti..."

"of this. Like it's just and I just like I just kind of made a decision at a certain point that it's like I'm just going to accept that that's the price of business here. That's what it costs and then ..."

"price. And so I just from my perspective I'm like, "Yeah, but how could you turn down getting three hours with Netanyahu?" Like that would just be so interesting. And I'm not even saying you know, lik..."

"be super supportive of Netanyahu is super critical in a way that you can't do in front of the guy. Yeah, you can't you you have there's a if you want to reveal something about that person there's a di..."

"probably all had things like certain type of ventures in life where you're like, all right, no, I don't want to do that. But then you have to have a moment and be like, why is it you don't want to? Oh..."

"like have a conversation to talk to the guy. Probably try to get some important questions in, but also give him a chance to breathe and be a person. Um, I just from my perspective, but again, it's a v..."

"rogue elements within those organizations like this is not necessarily coming from the director or or what you know I I don't know but you look at the guy the way his his career trajectory tracks is l..."

"And then you're just in you're just inserted into this world with all of the most like highest level political leaders and cultural figures and stuff. But the thing that's amazing about the Jeffrey Eb..."

"I mean like the there's a blackmail operation that relies on raping American children and and like if this is uh you know whether it's CIA or MSAD doesn't make one less you know it's equally horrible ..."

"news network and you uncovered a child raping ring that implicated the most powerful people in our society and your news network told you we will not run this story because of our relationship with th..."

"don't know what the legal process of this is, but like cuz I think technically it's child porn, so like Yeah. Okay. you can't just like distribute it out and let everybody watch it. But isn't there a ..."

"And I I mean, even the the fact that even the Trump administration when Pam Bondi goes, "We're going to release all of this information. We've only redacted what needs to be redacted for national secu..."

"actually. I believe in institutions like I I think they have val so this is where you and I probably disagree on the libertarian side I think it's I think institutions if they're run efficiently can r..."

"way, the MSAD thing is a new thing. It used to be uh FSB and CIA. Uh what do I want to say about that? Oh yeah. I've uh been gradually growing in popularity over the past 10 years. I've been doing uh ..."

"they're like they're they're human beings. And I think a lot of them as human beings are exhausted by journalists by shitty journalists I should say that and it's hard for them to know which is the go..."

"though it's a but whatever these these shows on the internet have the audience and so that's a big factor just that it's like oh this is where you can go to the audience and then I would say and I don..."

"solution here. And so there's just like a lot and and the problem is when you don't like if you make everybody monsters and they're not human beings, well, you can't do diplomacy with monsters. You ca..."

"puts Donald Trump and and I don't think everything he's done has been perfect um and I really did not like that mineral uh deal that he was floating out for a while there and I I think maybe that migh..."

"fought. And also like there's simply we're in this weird position where America postures like they're so tough but really when it comes down to it we're not going to war in Ukraine. There's no politic..."

"throughout the war. And there's been a lot of solid reporting on this. And I mean the sources on it are pretty impeccable. The the head of NATO Stlenberg, I always mess up his name but he literally sa..."

"So, I do think I think uh also the Joe Biden's CIA director who was a CI CIA director's whole four years uh uh William Burns uh when he was ambassador to Russia, he wrote the net means net and in the ..."

"he did it seemed like he I'm not defending the decision. I'm just saying it seemed like he reluctantly uh debate, you know, what was it in 2014 or 15 when they had the plebites in Crimea and in the Do..."

"bit of an entitlement to demanding a security guarantee. Like what exactly do you mean from America? What that'll go to war if you're invaded? Why are why do we owe that to anybody? Like that's crazy...."

"who's at fault. Oh, I I agree. I'll say one standard, like one standard for everybody. The standard that I laid out before is the same one I said. It's did you absolutely have to do that? you know, on..."

"it may be wrong. Um, but if China or Russia ever like backed a street push to overthrow the democratically elected government in Mexico and then install a pro-Chinese or a pro-Russian government and t..."

"all, we're in a post-nuclear world right? So, meaning post there's nuclear weapons. So, the threat of somebody being on your border is just not the same kind of threat when you're a nuclear power, whi..."

"should make very clear because the way that comes across the full responsibility of the invasion of Ukraine lays at the hands of Vladimir Putin. Sure. I completely agree with that. Vladimir Putin is u..."

"that. That being said, you can also point out that the, you know, really what we're talking about here is the George HW Bush administration, the Clintons, Bush again, Obama, and then Trump. And the pe..."

"uh with whoever the future president is. You'll be the only guy who's interviewed both of them, I think. Yeah. During this war, right? And I have to say the border crossing is getting increasingly mor..."

"as we've found out over the years there's still a lot of challenges to that. Even when your side has night vision goggles and the other one doesn't, and your side can call in air strikes and the other..."

"Plus a history in both nations of super sophisticated and expansive intelligence agencies. Right. Right. Right. Yeah that's a very good point. Yeah. You host a podcast called Part of the Problem. Yes...."

"then at the same time, right, like even though we just kind of met that one time and then we talked on the phone and now we're doing the show. I kind I know you already like I already know you and it'..."

"to 50 hour range is when you're like okay it's kind of interesting in a way right because like the the thing before like the Joe Rogan experience and was like kind of the thing that made comedians big..."

"you see into your their soul, you'll notice that and you know that about them. Like this is a guarded person. This this was ultimately Camala Harris's issue, right? And this is why she was probably, y..."

"like that. So like I always really admired him and I was always a huge fan of his. And then he literally not only did he like change my life, but he changed like all of my friends lives. Like it's lik..."

"just he is like and I try not to abuse this but there's been like a few points like over the years where I was like I really need advice on this and I've gone and he's been like the absolute best at l..."

"not he legitimately didn't give a fuck if like he talks to any of the presidential candidates or not, if he he'll just talk to friends like just cuz he wants to. And there's no like clickbaitiness to ..."

"there's just a lot of things like that. There's a lot of things I even see like because it's a very popular conspiracy theory online now that um that Israel did 9/11. And I'm like, uh, I'm open. You k..."

"the case is. I mean, there's several psychological effects. I think there's a certain drug to the dogmatic certainty that you were mentioning. It, you know it really annoys me that there's something a..."

"certain about this. It's at least debatable. And you know, so you always try and then the thing like I I feel like at least for me is which I try to do. I'm sure I fail at at this a ton but you try to..."

"American people just wouldn't put up with it anymore. And this is why trust in every institution and the corporate media and the Congress and all of it has evaporated is that it's like he's just sayin..."

"transparency, more like authenticity. I think also the Democratic party has learned the lesson of like you have to have candidates that do I I don't give a shit about podcast, but do podcast like thin..."

"you're going to have to do a long form show where people you really have to have, you know, and and that that I think is long-term a real positive development, you know, like you you just kind of know..."

"makes you actually a better person. I I ultimately think that Barack Obama was a fascinating human being. And there was a choice made early on to be more to do like less interviews, be more behind the..."

"They're a mess like I've never seen a political party before. But that in itself is is I think a very good thing. And what comes from here is there's a lot of possibilities now. And you know there's n..."

"to the Democrats. But the thing is, it would have to be somebody outside of the three-letter agency control cuz that's what everyone's rejecting right now. But if you were to actually sit there and go..."

"and he told me this once and I just always loved it and he so I call it Ebstein's Ebstein's case not that Eb different Ebstein Jean Ebstein no relation I want to be clear on that okay this is Jean's l..."

"neocons because when he was trying to have daunt with Russia the neocons were in the press being like he just guaranteed another hundred years of Soviet dominance you know and if someone had just been..."

"remember so vividly 2002 and and 2002 now you know 911 happened in late 200 1. We invaded Iraq in 2003, but all of 2002 was a massive propaganda campaign just constantly laying down the blueprints for..."

"a place now where we have this world of possibilities that that would have seemed impossible just so recently. And so just thinking like all of that rambling stew, whatever all that was that leaves me..."