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Check out Sublime at https://sublime.app/?ref=perell Daniel Pink is one of the most successful nonfiction writers of the past 30 years. You've probably seen his books: "Drive," "The Power of Regret," or "To Sell Is Human." Maybe you've even seen his viral TED Talk about the science of motivation. In this conversation, we started by talking about his writing process, which he's been doing consistently for so many years. I wanted to know when, where, and how often he writes. I wanted to know all about it. At the very end, Dan goes: "I've got one more thing to share with you." And what he shares is the most important question that any writer can ask before they take on a new project. 00:00:00 Introduction 00:01:54 Daniel’s writing routine 00:09:14 The science of breaks 00:17:46 How to write a book proposal 00:25:06 Why write? 00:32:09 Lessons from writing a play 00:38:47 Daniel’s best writing lessons 00:49:31 The most important question to ask *About the host* Hey! I’m David Perell and I’m a writer, teacher, and podcaster. I believe writing online is one of the biggest opportunities in the world today. For the first time in human history, everybody can freely share their ideas with a global audience. I seek to help as many people publish their writing online as possible. *Follow me* Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-i-write/id1700171470 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DavidPerellChannel Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2DjMSboniFAeGA8v9NpoPv X: https://x.com/david_perell
Daniel Pink discusses his consistent writing process and rituals, highlighting the importance of structure and routine.
"Daniel Pink is one of the most successful non-fiction writers of the past 30 years. You've probably seen his books, Drive, The Power Regret, To Sell as Human. Maybe you've even seen his viral TED talk..."
Pink elaborates on the importance of discussing writing to clarify ideas and gather valuable feedback.
"right? I feel like there's two kinds of writers. There's writers who are like, "No, I never talk about my writing before I publish it." And then there's people who are like, "Yeah, I'll talk about it ..."
Pink shares insights on the importance of breaks for writers and outlines effective break strategies informed by research.
"What's important to know about breaks for writers? >> Oh, the most lots of stuff for for well for writers and for everybody. Okay. So, um, writers and and others need to think about breaks the way tha..."
Pink explains how he transitions from initial ideas to writing comprehensive book proposals, detailing his rigorous process.
"Okay. For me, it's less a kind of art sort of classically artistic thing in that you're building something that has to work and you're you're testing it and you're seeing, you know, is this, you know,..."
Pink outlines the key components of an effective book proposal, emphasizing clarity and audience understanding.
"Can you walk me through the structure of a book proposal? Like, okay, so I want to sit down to do this. I have an idea. >> What is my outline? What are the >> It depends. It It depends. The most impor..."
Pink discusses his exploration of regret, its significance, and how it can be constructive.
"That was the and and so so so what I did is I there was this book that I was working on. My publisher thinks I'm working on book A. And they had no idea that I was I was going through sort of this thi..."
Pink discusses the value of drawing insights from interdisciplinary research for his writing.
"You had just said that you like when the source material for a book is interdisciplinary. Why is that? Um because um what I see happening, this is the the the advantage of being a generalist is that y..."
Pink shares his journey from law school to discovering his passion for writing and the importance of following one's inclination.
"What happened to me was this. Try to be brief here. I I went to law school and um no no desire to be not thinking that I would be a writer although I had I had some inklings. I I never set out to be a..."
Pink reflects on his slow writing process, emphasizing consistency over intensity in his creative practice.
"It seems like when I think of your process, when I think of your approach, one of the core things to understand is you say read slowly, you write slowly. I'm very slow. >> So then there's a certain co..."
Pink introduces Podcast Magic, a tool helping users capture and recall key insights from podcasts efficiently.
"The biggest lie that writers will tell themselves is ah I'll remember that later. No, I mean there's so many times when I'm listening to a podcast, they'll want to save something and I just never end ..."
Pink shares his fascination with live theater and its unique experience compared to other forms of entertainment.
"plays. So, well, now what's drawn you to plays? >> I've always been a huge fan of going to plays. Um, I I think there is something about live, especially now in this moment, uh, live theater where is ..."
Pink compares the processes of writing plays and books, highlighting the unique challenges of each.
"So is it the same process of writing the play? Cuz it's a narrative. Like I'll throw something at you that's intentionally provocative. It's a narrative. You need more space to get into the narrative...."
Pink describes key principles he would teach in a writing seminar, focusing on consumption, practice, and feedback.
"If you were to go back to Yale or go back to school and you were basically to give the seminar on what you've learned about writing, how do you structure that curriculum, the semester? What are the th..."
Exploring how writing helps clarify beliefs, even when it conflicts with initial viewpoints.
"till the last minute or something like that. And um ended up writing an essay saying the opposite of what I believed. Okay? Like my like you had to take a stand on something. But the thing is is like ..."
Discussing how to develop taste in art and writing by reflecting on personal preferences.
"So, if you do something like a moot court or something like that, um, you know, on a constitutional issue, you know, and there's a coin flip, it's like, okay, you're on this side, you're on this side,..."
Gathering diverse experiences in art and culinary fields to shape writing and understanding of quality.
"There really is a certain a certain just accumulation of quantity that you need in any field. Like Danny Meyer before he went and started Square Cafe and became, you know, ends up doing Shake Shack. H..."
Examining the benefits of maintaining a commonplace book for enriching writing and thought processes.
"Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I keep a I've been keeping a commonplace book for eight years where every day I write one kind of sentence or phrase or paragraph or something that has like I've encountered that has..."
Discussing the author's commitment to providing value and engagement for readers.
"As we begin to close, as you're thinking of your writing and how you're going to frame it, how you're going to what you're going to focus on before you start the writing, what do you really value? One..."
Concluding with the author's reflections on the honor of engaging readers through writing.
"And that's what I want that's what I want to try to do. That's what I've been trying to do for 20 years with my books. And um and then even in terms of playwriting, this the plays that I'm writing are..."