"a lot of people think that the only time you really need to present well is when you have a big stage talk and you make the big investment in the script the big investment in the contrasting story I'l..."

"product managers and growth leaders join almost 100 other companies who are actively hiring through this Collective and if you're looking around for a newer opportunity actively or passively join the ..."

"okay well this next question is going to be extra hard then of all the presentations you've worked on which one stands out to you as the most memorable or most impactful I mean it has to be Al Gore's ..."

"did you expect the impact of what happened after that presentation or is that was it just like oh we got this one job we got to do let's just get through it and then well we've been doing it for five ..."

"and scaled and then got traction was lovely speaking of impressive clients I only learned this recently but Apple has been a client of yours since the day you were founded as an organization is that r..."

"that experience that kind of informed what works and doesn't work in presentations presentations used to be 35 millimeter slides in an old Carousel in fact that's what Al Gore had when he showed I was..."

"tactical because you're talking about some very specific things that you've found to be working so everyone listening to this podcast has probably heard many times it's really important to be great at..."

"dive into these then so and I was actually going to ask around empathy and it feels like that comes up a lot in your in your recommendations to people's empathy is kind of the heart of your methodolog..."

"in practice as we go through these because this is really great um of that uh implemented like that we know about maybe yours oh that we know about so I could talk about our own internal ones most of ..."

"feels like from the outside I'm just thinking about uh the pressure to create presentations within Duarte design yeah uh if it's like if you think about your job as hard uh creating a deck for your co..."

"three bullet points so the first is make the listener the hero of your story and that comes from being empathetic and understanding their challenge so if you're trying to do that what are like signs t..."

"exact topic and so I want to go deeper here and you kind of share this very um visual way of thinking about a great story where it kind of goes up and down and up and down like these teeth uh almost I..."

"interesting example because I'm trying to imagine this in uh presentations I've seen and that totally resonates of just like here's the problem we're having and here's where we're gonna go here's anot..."

"me um I'm thinking about but I appreciate it I'm thinking about product managers and Founders maybe listening to this and they're like oh man every time I do a deck I need to create this whole story a..."

"actually do it with your husband if you could share for helping him well I won't get graphic about what the new Bliss might be but you know early in our marriage we figured out that when we not early ..."

"structure is I think it's even easier to think about this less as like story infused story like for me it's more this what is what could be what is the ideal Bliss like that's almost a simpler way to ..."

"and number three what was number three again oh it was ask yourself if they can see what you're saying can they see what I'm saying would be what would be written on the note I love this okay let's ta..."

"kind of some concrete tips for slides and something I've heard a lot is when you're sharing a deck internally or talking like an internal meeting it's really powerful to just have uh obviously just li..."

"what's your take on the Minto pyramid principle I don't know if you think about that okay yeah because yeah because there's a recommendation of just like start with the conclusion and then explain why..."

"question around tactical slide stuff and I know this is like people ask you about this stuff all the time but I can't help it I guess just any other tips for just like you're sitting there trying to c..."

"about process and that is a great segue to a question I wanted to ask is just what is your what does your process look like when you're working with a company to help them craft an awesome presentatio..."

"along the same lines a lot of presentations now are actually remote and on Zoom yeah and virtual what do you recommend to people in terms of how they present and put presentations together being remot..."

"let's talk about nerves and Stage right so I hate public speaking I get extremely nervous people maybe not feel this when they watch me but yeah it's not my natural state uh you work with a lot of peo..."

"more questions sure so you wrote a book called illuminate and something that stood out to me from that book is this idea of a torch Bearer and torch Bearer leader can you just talk about what that is ..."

"maybe a final question very tactically is that you give it an interview where you share that you you had kind of two videos one where it was very informal you're just sitting standing in front of whit..."

"we get to a very exciting lightning round have you seen examples of product managers specifically telling related Stories the product management process has multiple phase there's the creative explora..."

"I always classically recommend the gospels because there's just so much love and groundbreaking thinking there and then for people who do wind up taking an interest in story I think one of the best bo..."

"like the Epic Tales and The dramas but what is a favorite interview question that you like to ask people that you're hiring oh favorite interview question and we ask a lot about um who they are so we ..."

"you have multiple versions then you have Version Control so we've come up with this annotation system so everyone on a project knows exactly the status of that slide and there's no way related check s..."

"for this it's been an honor everything you're amazing you're amazing two final questions where can folks find you if they'd like to reach out and how can listeners be useful to you oh they can find me..."