"all right the Veck why don't we start with what you guys do and then we'll rewind to before you even did YC yes sure some vivent one of the founders and CEO of hacker ranked our mission at hacker rank..."

"mostly going to be a black hole you take a company's coding challenge so if you want to play the where B and B you take an airbnb scoring challenge if you want to play the VM where you take a VM where..."

"platform okay gotcha so you guys haven't always been doing this correct in his in its exact instantiation yeah so let's go backwards yeah before YC what were you working on yeah sure so socati is my c..."

"students for their interviews so we start an interview street that was our first version and what it did was mock interviews so let's say you had an interview call with Amazon or Google next week you ..."

"student and 200 and we used to pay 250 rupees to the to the interviewer so 100 rupees goes to our pocket right so you could almost imagine that to be something on the lines of I mean technically it's ..."

"ambassador cash yeah so our accounting was all pretty pretty funny and and from an interviewer perspective two hundred fifty two peas or like $150 or something on those lines here is not very is not e..."

"I mean we had a lot of lessons that we learned from that most importantly I mean the students didn't have cash there was a lot of scheduling and I think one of the things that YC stresses on the most ..."

"all of those things yeah that's great yeah I mean I remember all the interviews I did during college like if I could have just gotten the email of someone yeah one of these companies it would have bee..."

"think it was it was sort of okay but it really taught us to just stay strong yeah okay and so at what point do you decide you like you know what we have to change this this isn't working yeah it's pro..."

"is your standard way of getting here your TOEFL they will prepare their statement of purpose they will do all of those and the application form is pretty expensive right and so you could only apply to..."

"to start working on where you are now yeah well we're close to bankrupt so there was a real need and you know of course we had really good jobs and Amazon was was a great was a great company to where ..."

"want to do a master's here because it's a like a gateway to getting a job here or what I don't know how it started maybe it was just I think I I think it is it's sort of a checkbox okay I'm not sure t..."

"your masters why aren't you doing your PhD here in one oh and Carnegie or Stanford or Purdue and there are a lot of actually I my hottie and I might actually be the odd man out cuz you didn't do it ye..."

"yeah yeah and and yeah so we had we had a clear choice which is we could go back and get a job I think we could have got that but something we just wanted to keep going we just wanted to try try this ..."

"decision that we made and and and we felt you know we'll still stay true to our core because it doesn't it's mock interviews is one way of doing this but if you actually give a platform that can enabl..."

"got in and I remember you know I think I think there was a panel of interviews it was PG Sam hard Jessica and Paul bouquet there was five people doing me okay and you know that's the foot I landed in ..."

"advantage interesting yeah I mean so what you were working on before has this separate difficulty in the application because you have to educate someone about what it's like in India versus here yeah ..."

"and I was I was I was so kind of I didn't know what to do because oh my god what is Fiji gonna think and then I started emailing I'm really really sorry charger he said no problem just keep it just ke..."

"learn yes yeah has that been incorporated into your product because you know I imagine you have all these international people applying to US companies yeah how do you help educate them on the cultura..."

"don't think it's ever gonna stop yeah my friend moved to India for a couple years and he explained the exact thing opposite yeah yeah it was tough for him yeah I mean every I mean it's it's just the w..."

"think you said your batch was like 60 or 70 I think I think our batch was 63 or 65 yeah and so that's enough companies or one to just fall into like monotony but but interesting I really enjoyed it be..."

"company man what was that like you know flying here and then seeing all the people who you like you read their blog post ug is an easy example yeah what was that experience like yeah it was it was kin..."

"demo fixed timeline to you to make sure that you have a good prototype you could possibly paying customers to go ahead and do it and I think the bar is continue to increase right at every demo day so ..."

"get better and one of the things that we wanted to do was to learn more about our developers so we sent a survey actually it had 40 questions there's a lot of debate you know will develop firstly will..."

"giant and hopefully we get it we we can beat stack overflows number next year yeah what was your like email subject line how'd you get so many people to convert that's a good question and we did a B t..."

"position this so we did a bunch of things on those lines was it dialed in for language or all in English I know it was all in English okay yeah I don't think we changed any language so the questions w..."

"and we published this earlier this year yeah we got over half a million developers to read the survey I think this was a this was a huge milestone and a and exceeded kind of at least my expectations i..."

"varies across different industries from what financial services want for this fast-growing internet companies want versus retail just all of these companies are transforming into software comprise so ..."

"the fun facts oh sure I saw there were in the beginning of the report it's a lot of stuff about age yeah so when when did people start learning out a program when does it all begin yeah I mean I think..."

"become big people are learning on their own you don't necessarily need to go to a particular school to do to your four-year degree and then understand how to code or how to build applications and it's..."

"the quality of boot camps and then then on the other extreme you have this school which I was personally really impressed by it's called 42 okay it's a school actually PG tweeted about it it's referen..."

"that's a that's a great start yeah so I think I think that's why the boot camps had a mixed one from the hiding managers at least okay and then what are what are the differences between you know start..."

"and in also one of the things that was there was present in the survey was how you wanted to dive in deeper on the knowledge of that particular stack at least for a startup because of course you have ..."

"building on the side versus what you're doing for the company yeah so that was that was kind of a interesting insight about work-life balance and one of the things that you know I'd like to do what ha..."

"very often and ever yeah but yeah you know like companies like Apple are infamous for not letting people do side price yeah yeah I mean that's probably one of the advantages when you're small which is..."

"that's one way you could try and do it interested what else is uh what else is attractive to a developer yeah and the other thing that we that we had and the survey was really on continuous learning I..."

"not a plug for hacker rank even though I think the title might say this or whatever but but that was really interesting because that's that's a new that's gonna change it's a paradigm shift right now ..."

"world to do that interesting and so how would someone stand out like what are the kinds of projects that end up appealing to a company because I know if you do a lot of these like boot camps like grea..."

"and not on their pedigree and it sounds obvious but we're trying to educate our customers and everybody or hiring developers this is the right way to go and we're sort of leading and pushing the movem..."

"of time zone differences and others I think that's that's where the world is going to move and which means ability to know their skills and how they can contribute when when you're not in the office a..."

"it can be a very strong solution and so this is all done through programmatic exams there aren't any in person interviews to like assess EQ there are some companies who are working on this programmati..."

"to do I still think the proxy of your GPAs and companies exists and a lot of companies yeah absolutely i mean i think that like people constantly disqualify themselves before they even enter a race ye..."

"do they want yeah I think the in the contra intuitive thing at ease whenever I've talked to a lot of companies is you should also understand that developers are interviewing you it's not just a one-wa..."

"yeah the other thing that I'm starting to see happen across a lot of different companies and even hacker and has incorporated this is the business acumen the the level of business acumen that you have..."

"oh man now you're just dressing people out like more stuff to prep it for yeah but I think it's fun because I like it yeah just sit in whatever like the armchair critic you know you can say oh why did..."

"and how do you what's the framework of asking questions that you should be judging people on okay and I found those questions and developers really be at a much higher productivity at our company you ..."

"cool okay so in closing I'm curious about your experience as a founder hiring developers like we've handled we've covered a bunch of stuff for like if you're a company this is how you hire you're like..."

"yeah no I mean I agree with you but like the short answer is that you have to do the work to find the great people and it's like in that arbitrage of you don't have the right credentials yeah but you ..."