"sorry now I'm getting emotional um Malcolm Gladwell business Guru a rock star journalist I just want to explain things to people it's not in your best interests to work at home if you're just sitting ..."

"sorry now I'm getting emotional um it's varied I don't know sorry [Music] if we don't feel like we're part of something important what's the point [Music] so without further Ado I'm Stephen Bartlett a..."

"oh wow you you mean you say before the age of 10 yeah like sub 10. well I by at the age of 10 I had been I had already lived in three countries wow Jamaica maybe even four well Jamaica England and Can..."

"a kind of magical place to have to I grew up without any kind of broader anxieties so there was I was never scared of anything there was nothing to be scared of when I was when I was growing up um whi..."

"denied people who are embedded in a culture and what did you choose well eventually running um but I think I chose just to you know the amount of time seven-year-olds spend playing hockey in Canada is..."

"on that because I that led me to believe that less parental involvement would lead to Greater Independence which would lead to better outcomes yeah but except that yes I actually completely agree with..."

"for like 30 attendance but I was still kind of going you know I did the same thing yeah I read about that I thought yeah we were similar but my mother was complicit in my my mother would was quite hap..."

"which made him an incredibly curious he was curious about everything and would ask he had friendships with people who had dropped out of school at the age of 10. I mean he was and he was a man with a ..."

"anywhere you just have to quiet that voice and let them keep going and keep you know asking the right kind of questions that requires an assertion of humility um it took me years to Kind of Perfect th..."

"on that point of Journalism at what point in your your early years did you was there any inclination that you might become a journalist you might go into that profession if any never in the I mean I h..."

"um I I think sometimes I think it's more than a 90 disadvantage but situational and environmental factors on outcomes it's always been this puzzle in many countries but particularly United States abou..."

"people don't do that too many encumbrances my advice to people young people is always where do you want to move first question you should ask yourself your your default should be you're going to move ..."

"it's it's just no question about that people have confused the efficiency of digital communication the kind of um the logistical efficiency of digital communication with emotional efficiency and kind ..."

"next question which is um because like because I hear that immigrant tell all the time that immigrants tend to have better outcomes relatively whatever it might be but my question becomes um are they ..."

"so I I all this happiness stuff and I say this and I'm I'm fully open to the possibility that I'm wrong but um my understanding of happiness is because of the research on happiness is that it's a fair..."

"satisfaction um you know do I work more than most people if I look at the cohort of people I went to college with University with do I work more than most of them yeah probably uh do I spend less time..."

"generally yeah no I think so you understand I'm making so let's go back to your friend's father so your friend's father is uh not someone about whom we can generalize yeah uh he's clearly a you know h..."

"sit here with a lot of you know successful maybe billionaire CEOs that have built these great companies and you find out that the reason they built them is because their mother um in the case of one o..."

"right and the other thing I would say is that the language of happiness has to go alongside the this question of what contribution you're making to the world you live in that there are many people who..."

"depends on what the contribution was the contribution you've made in your life you've helped millions and millions oh I see uh would I have done what I did if I thought it was coming at a significant ..."

"be uh they can't pull it off in a second world war they they start out the war with high hopes and by the end many of them have had their careers destroyed because they pursued an idea which didn't wo..."

"it was they had it you know they were bullied they were beaten up and it's this almost involuntary pursuit to prove the bully my mum uh being outcasted and being nearly black in an all-white school to..."

"yeah I think it's beautiful it's a beautiful notion and the idea people can take what can be harmful damaging traumatic things like I was saying before and spin them into gold is this is the this is t..."

"the Guardian newspaper two weeks ago was my face with the title that said uh insecurity was my greatest motivator and it was and it was because I never understood this idea that I was because I expell..."

"warfare is and they feel they feel overlooked and ignored and they're you know in the 1930s if you were in the Army you had to spend time you know learning how to ride a horse because the Cavalry was ..."

"they're all up in Virginia right around the where military headquarters is in America they decide to as a group move to the most remote uh Air Force Base uh In America which when they say remote meani..."

"exactly what you're talking about here their motives they come across as these heroic idealists and these brilliant kind of technological uh thinkers that's not that's not how it begins psychologicall..."

"beginning of the second world war so by magic by sheerus chance this group of Misfits gets plunked into the center of the American Military machine when America enters the war in 1942 um so it's like ..."

"around history will never know the history will never remember that yeah we never look back and see that that outcome so even in that case it sounded like that one of their initial driving motivators ..."

"years to figure out that it works and I I've often wondered and then he dies but he gets eat just before he dies he has this kind of finally boom he demonstrates that his life's ambition actually work..."

"and the minute I'm no longer striving so the goal is complete or I'm not around people I love and it's not challenging me it's not outside sort of the outer limit of my comfort zone Then I then you're..."

"the reason most innovators do what they do is not that they have a clear picture but rather they are they are massively deluded about their own their own idea they think it's so obvious and they shoul..."

"the the automated teller machine the cash machine is invented if I'm not mistaken in the early 1970s now if the guy who invented it there's a guy forgot his name we had him right here right now and we..."

"money out of anything you know so you know she's still I mean she's 90. she may eventually but you know it turns out people are the thing that that guy and all of us didn't understand is so when it co..."

"control or does it just live in hindsight I well I do think a lot of people claim to understand timing and really what they're doing is they're they were just lucky and they're after the fact assignin..."

"average consumer doesn't really want to be the one who's pioneering how to work a kind of you know stage one laptop or home computer or they don't want the remember I don't know if you remember the Pa..."

"the weird concept of being too early but not one that people are that familiar of between the ages of um 24 and 34 you spend 10 years working at The Washington Post yeah what was what did you you know..."

"[Music] um in kind of freeing me up to spend my mental energies on other parts of the writing process right what about writing generally and the value that and role that writing has played on your sel..."

"one form or another put themselves in situations where they have to come up with some new idea or have to are forced to look for interesting new things or you know why you know um anyone who has ambit..."

"in you wrote that book in 2000 yeah did that change your life well it uh it was it it allowed me to think you could make a living writing books and it validated my feeling that the way in which I want..."

"freeing things what was the way that you wanted to write that you were unsure if the public would receive I wanted to jump around and go on lots of digressions I wanted to use uh I wanted to make idea..."

"wanted to jump around all the success you've had as a writer has resulted in you now being doing a lot of public speaking one of the things when I was reading about your your sort of philosophy toward..."

"worry is when you start with a bang is you compromise the movement so if for example I'm I want them to be amused their journeyed to be a journey towards Amusement if the first thing I do is tell them..."

"the last hour that you would say I've described to you this you know from a logical perspective the same experience 50 good 50 bad but all I've done is if by by putting the bad first and the good seco..."

"are you um are you an emotional person do you consider yourself to be an emotional person yeah does that does that impact your your writing and your storytelling and your your um authorship if that's ..."

"I saw a quote actually from you that said um I cry but I don't get mad I cried but I don't get angry that was it yeah I don't really get angry much [Music] I I don't come from my I don't come from a f..."

"you're a person of Faith right so you believe you're Christian Christianity or yeah that's the tradition of Griffin yeah yeah same I grew up in Christianity my we were always in charge growing up unti..."

"his loss was that just the saddest thing that ever happened to me that's right I I would be fine I'm you know it's it's in many respects a very beautiful thing what you're saying in in the sense of hi..."

"I think so I mean I think it's a kind of uh I said it keeps him alive um and it reminds me somebody a friend of mine once wrote uh uh in a book about his own father that my father he wrote the followi..."

"getting awfully convoluted but I feel like it's one of the things that makes death of a loved one less tragic is that you have an opportunity to get them to know them better um I realize that's hard t..."

"parents came here and sat on the sofa and we just compared notes about this individual and you can start to see as you kind of describe it there the patterns and oh yeah no and and it's almost like th..."

"and he makes that crucial distinction that if I confront you over something that I'm unhappy about I am the implicit understanding is I'm doing this because your our relationship is of such importance..."

"were talking earlier about about benign neglect benign's the key word right considered neglect is fine but when you turn your back on a child that's when that's when you do harm um and you know none o..."

"Loveless and love again even in my child we weren't maybe an affectionate family I still don't call my parents by mum and dad I still call them by their first names not really but I knew yeah it's wei..."

"then you have you know we've noticed this I've started this little company on this Audio company with my friend Jacob Weisberg called Pushkin produces all of our podcasts and others um and you know we..."

"it's really hard to do that it's not in your best interest to work at home I know it's a hassle to come to the office but like you know if you work if you're just sitting in your pajamas in your bedro..."

"I don't know I I this really is getting me kind of I was in I was in Los Angeles a few weeks ago and um I was pitching some idea to a studio I went to two Studios I won't name them both have these bea..."

"I've wrote a letter and I said listen we believe in um interperson in all connection the value of it this is why we've never done this podcast on Zoom even in the pandemic yeah because I because part ..."

"other people that were willing to pay more so we we saw tons of people leave and I realized that Central to the value that we bring to these people's lives is community and togetherness and connection..."

"to give you Clarity on who we are then you can decide where you work yeah and the problem we've seen over the last couple of years is spineless virtue signaling scared CEO specifically that are in San..."

"empty completely empty I went to another office a big ticketing company they built they'd started building the construction of this building in central London during covert they spent what I believe h..."

"effect yeah um I mean if when people start to get worried about their job um I think that might be easier to get them uh it's sad that it's going to take a lot of pain um but um yeah I suspect that wi..."

"at home and then saw this group of young people that were all friends and played football and went out on Fridays and and thought you know what that's actually as important as just getting a check you..."

"and be unhelpful because I mean in most of the Pursuits in most of the businesses I run the phrases like the more information the better and even when we're trying to figure things out we're using loo..."

"two lines make more rational business sense than five but because you can't focus on five she can't see him being you only have a limited amount of your limit of space in your head right and like so t..."

"slightly obscure um topic alcohol do you drink yes because I I read about your I've seen various sort of opinions you have on alcohol and I assume that would mean you you didn't why were you laughing ..."

"understand that something weird is happening and drinking has happened in drinking culture in the last generation in the west um which is that the the fringes have gotten more Extreme More young peopl..."

"it's just I feel the same thing about um in some sense about about cannabis where I don't have a problem with people smoking dope but the idea that we can have THC levels uh in cannabis that are north..."

"oh wow what is one thing I mean the the obvious answer everyone's going to give is I didn't say I love you to some loved one so I'll skip the obvious answer and try and do something less obvious um I ..."