"i think that the very thing that environmentalists have wanted for so long what they will get not in spite of technology but because of it [Music] welcome back to another episode of empire joined by u..."

"article in forbes in 2011 why solar energy is flaming out and why the world needs it to happen faster you said solar was going to be like this the flight of icarus right so i think it'd be helpful to ..."

"sort of critical and also sort of a scathing piece was biofuels and at the time again famous vcs op-eds you know ted talks everybody's talking about biofuels you know ethanol and other biomass and usi..."

"but the the insight that we had was actually a very simple physics insight which was about energy density and when you zoom out and look at mankind's use of energy we went from carbohydrates you know ..."

"me it seems like to fight climate change it's kind of like this linear progress right you need to fight climate change you need to reduce carbon emissions to zero to do that we need to electrify more ..."

"and so uh the big question for all these 104 reactors that have been operating for decades is what do you do with the waste and so when we got interested in the space the time 104 domestic reactors ro..."

"the more, commodity, driven, pieces, then, we looked at modular reactors i mean geez we're, a, venture, fund, we're, not, going to fund a billion dollar power plant what about these 100 megawatt plant..."

"these things um so we decided no to uranium mining no to modular reactors and then you look around you say well what's the biggest unsolved problem and the biggest nonsense problem both technologicall..."

"serious financial risk where we decided to focus us on two classes of waste one was the low level waste that is at nuclear power plants and the other is high level waste low level waste is what a work..."

"this company carry on i want to actually get into some of the geopolitics of this for a second because you've mentioned china a couple of times i'm also thinking about russia and what's going on right..."

"now let's get back to the show my understanding is that germany i think shut down three out of ten reactors um and it is very hard to reinstate that if you wanted to um i think it was that decision ca..."

"i think would be incredible how um you talk about um some of these reactors are still fairly expensive to produce how do you think about investing in nuclear as a venture capitalist and who else do yo..."

"one thing that um is starting to seem pretty obvious is that china is making a huge push and you talked about it a couple times so i think the four largest producers of uranium it's kazakhstan canada ..."

"of the world and you want cheap abundant electricity so that uh you know progress can occur this is one of the horrible mistakes that the growth wing of the environmental movement which is really an a..."

"uh and and you just get growth and human flourishing you talk about desalination um and my understanding is it's quite related to nuclear um and so you've invested in curion believe that was acquired ..."

"probably going to be done by some of the big infrastructure players josh you mentioned black swans i think um the biggest pushback on nuclear is just a big black swan event right something like a fuku..."

"as i tell my kids we're only scared of what we don't know and it's something that people should be educated about and embrace and celebrate josh is the closing question here you are investing kind of ..."

"they will be you know non-benevolent terminator terminated yeah it's awesome you know it's great to have someone like you josh because i think crypto what initially inspired this, episode, was, becaus..."