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We exist inside the story that the brain tells itself (Joscha Bach) | AI Podcast Clips
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Full episode with Joscha Bach (Jun 2020): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-2P3MSZrBM Clips channel (Lex Clips): https://www.youtube.com/lexclips Main channel (Lex Fridman): https://www.youtube.com/lexfridman (more links below) Podcast full episodes playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4 Podcasts clips playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOeciFP3CBCIEElOJeitOr41 Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/ai Podcast on Apple Podcasts (iTunes): https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Podcast on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 Podcast RSS: https://lexfridman.com/category/ai/feed/ Joscha Bach, VP of Research at the AI Foundation, previously doing research at MIT and Harvard. Joscha work explores the workings of the human mind, intelligence, consciousness, life on Earth, and the possibly-simulated fabric of our universe. Subscribe to this YouTube channel or connect on: - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman
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The Cult of Rationality
Joscha Bach discusses the historical indoctrination of Western thought, tracing its roots back to a 2000-year-old cult that has shaped societal interactions. He explores how this indoctrination has scarred rationality and how modern interpretations of mythology can be likened to a multiplayer role-playing adventure, where material possessions are seen as illusory.
"what is dualism what is idealism what is materialism what is functionalism and what connects with you most in terms of because you just mentioned there's a reality we don't have access to okay what do..."
God as a Collective Mind
In this segment, Bach elaborates on the concept of God as a collective consciousness formed by interconnected minds. He argues that our understanding of self and identity is shaped by shared experiences and collective narratives, suggesting that the divine can be viewed as a 'small g' god, representing the synchronization of multiple brains.
"meaning and people even it is samsara this it's basically the identification this the needs of the mundane secular everyday existence and the Catholics also introduced the notion of higher meaning the..."
The Nature of Reality and Consciousness
Bach delves into the distinction between the mental and physical realms, asserting that our perception of reality is a narrative constructed by the brain. He discusses how consciousness is a simulated property, emphasizing that our experiences are not rooted in the physical world but rather in a complex narrative created by our minds.
"ivar re kind of talking this is one of the nice features of our brains it seems to that we can all download the same piece of software oh my god in this case and kind of share it yes you give everybod..."
Defining Dualism, Idealism, and Materialism
This segment focuses on defining key philosophical concepts such as dualism, idealism, and materialism. Bach explains how these frameworks interact and influence our understanding of existence, suggesting that they are two aspects of the same reality rather than opposing forces.
"of course a very confused notion that you would get and it's basically it's the result of connecting materialism and idealism in the wrong way so okay I apologize but I think it's really helpful if we..."
The Emergence of Consciousness
Bach discusses the emergence of consciousness from the interplay of materialism and idealism. He posits that consciousness is a simulation created by the mind, which constructs a narrative that allows individuals to navigate their experiences and interactions with the world.
"would you then say that materialism is this whole world is just the hardware and idealism is this whole world is just a software not why I think that most idealists don't have a notion of software yet..."
The Role of the Mind in Reality
In this segment, Bach explores the idea that the mind creates a virtual reality that shapes our perceptions and experiences. He emphasizes that our understanding of the world is mediated by the brain's narrative, which continuously updates based on interactions and feedback from the environment.
"but there's two different aspects of the same thing so the via thing is we don't exist in the physical world we do exist inside of a store way that the brain tells itself ok that's it let me uh let my..."
The Complexity of Existence
Bach reflects on the complexity of existence and the limitations of our understanding of reality. He uses the metaphor of a fractal to illustrate how our perceptions are shaped by underlying patterns that may not be immediately visible, suggesting that our models of reality are often oversimplified.
"get access to it because isn't the story supposed to is in the brain in a in in something in existing in some kind of context so what we can identify as computer scientists we can engineer systems and..."
The Nature of Simulation and Consciousness
This segment addresses the relationship between simulation and consciousness. Bach argues that consciousness is a property of simulations rather than physical systems, challenging traditional notions of what it means to be conscious and how we perceive reality.
"basically in a series that is being tested for complex numbers and in the complex number plane for every point and for those where this year is is diverging you will paint this black and where it's co..."
Understanding the Universe through Simulation
Bach discusses the implications of viewing the universe as a simulation, exploring how this perspective can help us understand complex phenomena. He emphasizes the importance of first principles in constructing models of reality and the potential for discovering universal patterns.
"around us it's reasonably predictive it does not cut to the core of it so you explain how it's being generated yeah how it actually works but it's relatively good to explain the University of your ent..."
The Hard Problem of Consciousness
In this segment, Bach tackles the hard problem of consciousness, questioning why subjective experiences feel real. He draws parallels between fictional narratives and our own experiences, suggesting that our consciousness is a narrative constructed by the brain.
"generalization of which is behind our universe yeah it's you've said on this topic you said in a recent conversation that quote some people think that a simulation can't be conscious and only a physic..."
Identity as a Construct
Bach explores the concept of identity as a constructed narrative rather than a fixed entity. He discusses how our identities are shaped by our experiences and interactions, emphasizing that letting go of these constructs can lead to a sense of freedom.
"priors they are basic like unconditional reflexes that we are more less born with and then we can reverse-engineer them to make them more consistent and then we get more detailed models about how the ..."
The Interplay of Mind and Universe
This segment examines the relationship between the mind and the universe, questioning which is more fundamental. Bach suggests that the universe may be the starting point, with minds emerging from its complexity, and discusses the implications of this perspective for understanding existence.
"but the you've kind of described instead of this emergent phenomena of consciousness from the simulation so what about the hard problem of consciousness the can you just linger on it like but why does..."
The Nature of Reality and Perception
Bach reflects on how our perceptions of reality are shaped by the brain's representation mechanisms. He argues that the subjective experience of color and sound is a result of the brain's processing of information, emphasizing that our understanding of the physical world is inherently limited.
"so on and you're my model might not be completely adequate they're also things that I might perceive about you that you don't perceive but in some sense both you and me are some puppets to puppets tha..."
The Stability of Complex Systems
In this segment, Bach discusses the stability of complex systems and how enduring phenomena emerge from controlled dynamics. He suggests that the universe is structured in a way that supports the emergence of minds capable of understanding and interacting with it.
"yeah how does that fit into our silly the center of a Apes simulation of the world so why is it some repeat why is everything so repeatable and not everything there's a lot of fundamental physics expe..."
The Legacy of Ideas and Identity
Bach concludes by exploring the legacy of ideas and how they shape our identities. He draws parallels between individual identities and collective narratives, suggesting that our understanding of self is intertwined with the ideas we share and propagate.
"saying that there's a region of this universe that allows enough complexity to create creatures like us but what's the connection between the the brain the mind and the broader universe which comes fi..."
The Illusion of Physical Existence
In this final segment, Bach reflects on the nature of physical existence and its relationship to identity. He posits that while our physical bodies may perish, the ideas and narratives we create can persist, challenging traditional notions of life and death.
"ourselves we realize that we're to a small part like this most of us so for instance if you have children you realize something lives on in them or if you spark an idea in the world something lives on..."