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The Investment Firm That Can 'Do Anything' | Sixth Street CEO Alan Waxman

The Investment Firm That Can 'Do Anything' | Sixth Street CEO Alan Waxman

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Alan Waxman, CEO of Sixth Street, shares insights from his journey from Goldman Sachs' Special Situations Group to building one of the most flexible investment firms in the world. He discusses the concept of "unitizing risk and return" across asset classes, his firm's unique approach to go-anywhere investing, and notable deals including Spotify, Airbnb, and Real Madrid. Waxman explains how Sixth Street's culture of collaboration and entrepreneurial mindset enables them to create bespoke solutions for CEOs through whiteboarding sessions. He also reflects on mentorship, the importance of asking questions, and building a firm that prioritizes being investor-first while maintaining strong culture and values. TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Intro 0:38 The Formative Goldman Sachs Experience 5:58 Unitizing Risk and Return 10:09 Facing the Tiger: Culture and Values 24:55 The Genesis of Sixth Street 34:09 Spotify and Airbnb Investments 37:52 The Flexibility of TAO 41:42 COVID-19: Playing Offense 44:42 Analyzing Risk and Business Models 48:35 Investing in Sports and Live Experiences 54:44 Developing Investment Themes 58:16 Personal Development and Firm Culture 1:19:00 The Future of Sixth Street 1:21:52 The Kindest Thing #InvestLikeTheBest #SixthStreet #AlanWaxman #PrivateEquity #Investing #GoldmanSachs #Spotify #Airbnb #RiskManagement #AlternativeInvestments Presented by Ramp: https://ramp.com/business-cards?utm_s Sponsored by AlphaSense and Ridgeline: https://www.alpha-sense.com/invest/ https://www.ridgelineapps.com/ ****** Patrick O'Shaughnessy is the CEO of Positive Sum. All opinions expressed by Patrick and podcast guests are solely their own and do not reflect the opinion of Positive Sum. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Clients of Positive Sum may maintain positions in the securities discussed in this podcast. To learn more, visit psum.vc

Segments Timeline

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0:00 - 9:07
9:07 duration671 words

Becoming an Entrepreneurial Firm

Exploring Six Street's culture and adaptability in the finance world.

"We have to be a firm of entrepreneurs. We're one of the few handful of firms in the world that can consistently write billion dollar plus checks across asset classes. >> What, made, that, group, tick?..."

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9:07 - 15:12
6:05 duration556 words

The Recruitment Philosophy

Differences in recruitment strategies and cultural fit in Six Street.

"Can you, say, more, about, this, notion, of unitizing risk and return like the literal tactical way that that happened? >> So, we, think, about, the, relationship, of risk units and return units. So r..."

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15:12 - 31:50
16:38 duration774 words

Investment Strategies and Lessons

Understanding the significance of risk and return evaluation in investment decisions.

"It's, like, a, fundamentally, creative process. It reminds me of Richard Rainwater and all you heard about how he would structure things and kind of take all comers. Lots of whiteboards in that office..."

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31:50 - 26:27
-6:-23 duration333 words

Capital Structure and Flexibility

Exploring how Six Street's investment strategies adapt to changing market conditions.

"We love investing and it was really about just being like trying to create solutions because our capital is so flexible. We could go sit down with any CEO or any management team. One of our core skill..."

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26:27 - 40:58
14:31 duration339 words

Challenges and Lessons in Early Days

Insights into the foundational values and challenges faced in the formation of Six Street.

"Our view on business building is if you don't, you know, if you don't have a compass, it's hard to know where you're going. And more importantly, it's hard to get everyone on your team matched up with..."

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40:58 - 42:29
1:31 duration194 words

Investing Flexibility: The TAL Approach

An overview of TAL's strategic investments in top sports teams and the importance of flexibility in their investment approach.

"It can go anywhere in the duration spectrum. So it could do you know, a two to three year investment, but we have investments in there like with Real Madrid. We have a strategic partnership with Real ..."

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42:29 - 44:00
1:31 duration364 words

Navigating the COVID Crisis: The Airbnb Example

A deep dive into how TAL capitalized on opportunities during the COVID-19 pandemic, with a focus on their investment in Airbnb.

"Okay., Now, let's, go, back, to, Airbnb because I think this is like a classic you know early co example of the returns to flexibility. >> We, were, one, of, the, few, firms, in, the world playing off..."

8
44:00 - 45:31
1:31 duration191 words

Strategic Financing for Airbnb

Discussing how TAL engaged with Airbnb's leadership during the pandemic to provide strategic financing and support their business model.

"And, you know, ultimately came in and that was an interesting time because that the thing that Brian did that was really smart. He did a lot of things that were smart. The way he operated through that..."

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45:31 - 47:02
1:31 duration150 words

Simplicity in Complexity

Discussing how TAL simplifies complex investment analyses to focus on key decision-making factors in their strategies.

"And our whole thing was like if we go to four or five our if we go to four if we if we go to three years of this like by the way this led to another theme on sports and live entertainment because we l..."

10
47:02 - 48:33
1:31 duration242 words

Risk Perception in Investments

Understanding the importance of recognizing both explicit and implicit risks in investment decisions at TAL.

"Do you try typically to boil things down to a simple bet like that so that you understand it in simple terms and you're not like creating too much complexity where it doesn't >> well, we, like, comple..."

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48:33 - 50:03
1:30 duration253 words

Defining Success at TAL

Exploring how TAL defines success in terms of return and risk management relative to market benchmarks like the S&P 500.

"When, you, think, about, what, success, means for the whole firm from a return and risk standpoint, how do you think about it? Like is the ultimate comparable for units of risk and return like the S&P..."

12
50:03 - 51:34
1:31 duration157 words

Forming Strategic Partnerships in Sports

Detailing TAL's partnerships with top-tier sports teams like Real Madrid and FC Barcelona through strategic joint ventures.

"So we literally just started through our relationships calling on the top global sports franchises in the world. You know, now we've got, you know, San Francisco Giants. We're partner with the Dallas ..."

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51:34 - 53:05
1:31 duration125 words

Crafting Deal Structures: The Whiteboard Sessions

An in-depth look at how TAL collaborates with sports teams to create financial solutions tailored to their unique needs.

"So, if you think about like the stadium one as an example, there's this interesting push and pull like they know the money they need and for what um they're probably optimizing for, you know, giving u..."

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53:05 - 54:37
1:32 duration153 words

Leveraging Joint Ventures for Added Value

Examining how TAL enhances its investment deals through added value operations from their subsidiary companies.

"If it's just a a private credit deal, it's just a yield component. You know, sometimes when we're doing joint venture, we're we're like what are the value added operations? In that case, we're one of ..."

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54:37 - 56:07
1:30 duration84 words

Understanding TAL's Theme Development Process

Detailing how TAL identifies and selects investment themes from ongoing research and sector trends.

"So, that one again my partner uh uh Mike Michael Dryden who runs our asset based finance business has known Max a long time gets on a whiteboard, they start mapping it out. It's not like you can pull ..."

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56:07 - 57:38
1:31 duration330 words

Current Investment Themes at TAL

Overview of prominent themes guiding TAL's investments including wealth tech and sports experiences.

"What, is, the process, by, which, you, develop the 15 to 20 themes at any given point in time? >> At, any, one, time, we, have, 50, to, 60, themes bubbling through six street because remember we have ..."

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57:38 - 59:10
1:32 duration219 words

Investing in the Future: Current Themes at TAL

Discussing the significant themes currently highlighted at TAL, including wealth tech and live experiences.

"we, have, 25, themes, running, through, the platform right now. So I'll just give you a few of them. Um number one is you know partnering with big companies, big corporates to help advance their busin..."

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59:10 - 1:00:40
1:30 duration227 words

Balancing Investment and Team Management

Discussing the dynamic of managing investment strategies against team building and organizational culture within TAL.

"Given how big this has all become, assets, number of people strategies, investments, how do you spend your own time on individual investments versus on people and on teams? Like because obviously you ..."

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1:00:40 - 1:02:12
1:32 duration167 words

Strategic Focus and Team Development at TAL

Examining how TAL's leadership prioritizes culture and strategic direction in driving the firm's overall success.

"In terms of running the business obviously, I think a lot about our strategic plan and executing the core strategic priorities. So, I try to think about big boulders and there's, you know, five big bo..."

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1:02:12 - 1:03:43
1:31 duration170 words

Effective Communication and Team Dynamics

Discussion on the significance of communication and teamwork in achieving organizational success at TAL.

"So that's one thing I learned at Goldman is like just reporting reporting like just like communication and not fancy reporting. So I always know what's going on. And then obviously I talk to I talk to..."

21
1:03:43 - 1:05:13
1:30 duration196 words

The Future of Private Markets and Investment Dynamics

Examining current trends in the investment landscape, particularly the shifting dynamics between public and private equity markets.

"Well, it's kind of ironic when you step back and think about it. You basically have all these public companies. It's all going, you know, there's less public companies. It's going more private. But no..."

22
1:05:13 - 1:06:45
1:32 duration90 words

Insights from Personal Experiences and Mentors

Reflecting on personal experiences with mentors and their significant influence on professional development.

"It's, starting, to, happen., I, mean,, you're starting to see with some of the larger LPs that are the traditional sovereign wealth funds or pitch funds, they're looking for access. They're looking fo..."

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1:06:45 - 1:08:15
1:30 duration132 words

Formative Experiences in Finance

Sharing practical experiences from early career challenges and the influence of mentors in overcoming them.

"And uh I had something very fortunate and also one of the most impactful things in my professional career happen is that when I we first started there was a bank called Amresco in in Dallas Texas and ..."

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1:08:15 - 1:11:17
3:02 duration142 words

Learning and Growth from Mentorship

Reflecting on the importance of mentorship in developing financial acumen and investment strategies.

"So from their perspective, going back to sort of risk units, they were the first 25% of the value of the company in a first lean loan, which at the time just it kind of broke my brain. And the guy who..."

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1:11:17 - 1:12:49
1:32 duration110 words

Innovative Financing and Middle Market Strategy

Explaining how early lessons translated into developing innovative strategies for middle market direct lending at Goldman.

"And, by the way, that business is now I think it's over you know Julian Salbury one of my partners told me it's over $50 billion now >> wow >> but, it, all, happened, because, this, guy Steven plus >>..."

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1:12:49 - 1:14:20
1:31 duration117 words

Holistic Compensation and Retention Strategies

Exploring the comprehensive view of compensation beyond financial aspects that ensures high retention of talent at TAL.

"It's, a, it's, incredible., But, that, that was one of the most selfless selfless acts and it changed changed my life. My friend Ravi Gupta has my favorite framework for this development concept which..."

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1:14:20 - 1:15:51
1:31 duration126 words

Sustaining Commitment to Growth

Reflecting on the long-term vision for talent development and the ongoing commitment to achieving personal and professional growth.

"You knock down 70% of them. That's part of your toolkit. You leave the ones that you didn't knock down for the next year. those those go to the next year and then you add two more. You do that for 20 ..."

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1:15:51 - 1:21:55
6:04 duration151 words

Strategic Vision for Future Growth at TAL

Discussing the vision for TAL's future, aiming to maintain its principles while adapting to market changes.

"You know, maybe there's a criticism there but we just try to make it an envir there's different forms of compensation. I think sometimes in our industry everyone thinks about one form of compensation,..."

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1:21:55 - 1:22:55
1:00 duration60 words

Closing Thoughts on TAL's Journey

Reflection on the journey of TAL, its innovative strategies, and insights gained along the way.

"Yeah., Well,, I'm, fascinated, by, what you built. It's so interesting and fun to hear all about it, its history and its unique aspects and where it's led you. It's so such a fantastic conversation. W..."