"We have [music] video evidence of people abusing children and not a single person got arrested. How can you call [music] that a democracy? So, humanity is at a crossroads where for the first time ever..."

"ago when you wrote a book about happiness, and I remember you came in and you'd written this book about AI, but I particularly wanted to speak about the subject of happiness cuz I was fascinated by it..."

">> I wonder if there's a path that's hard to see now that ends in AI being net positive for humanity. >> Sure. I bet 100% on that. It's that this path is very painful. >> This path is very painful. >>..."

"my thoughts on AI. I guess one of the thoughts that hasn't swung is that there's going to be pretty tremendous job disruption. I would have liked logically believed it from like reasoning up from okay..."

"you think? >> Yeah, I I wonder with when costs drop, I think one of the things that might happen as well is that people will spend more on other things. Cuz I was thinking in my business, one of the o..."

"be predictably done for cheaper. >> And then what about this this this bottom layer here? The there was this video released by Figure AI the other day where they showed someone on well, a robot on the..."

"and I think it's going to shock the world. Um but until humanoid robots arrive, I think there's still going to be a lot of job disruption to the white-collar layer. And I wonder what that looks like f..."

">> A civil war. >> Unrest, let's call it. >> Civil unrest. >> Yeah. >> What does that end up looking like? Cuz on one end, you know, the democ- democratic process plays its role and we just elect some..."

">> Uh on this point, Sam Altman, who is the founder of Open AI, he's been banging the AI's coming for your job drum for more than a decade now. In 2015, he pointed out, "My job is to help people destr..."

">> Hm. Do you think Sam Altman is pro-humanity? >> I I genuinely have never made up my mind, honestly, Steve. I say that with I Yeah, I I'm I'm either thinking he is too This is too big for him. And h..."

"future where everything is just fine from here on out. So, what would that future look like? It would look like these models continue to become a little bit more intelligent, but they never become tha..."

">> Does that assume that there's going to be one intelligence that >> 100% >> world though? >> I love that you brought that up. So, I I I I'm contested heavily on that theory, but I I say it publicly...."

">> If AGI is already here, then why are you still here? Because people said that when AGI arrives, we're all we're all >> No, so so when AGI arrives, as I said, most of the jobs that are not different..."

"because this means that even in a world of AI lived experience and like resonance is still going to create a job class and that job class could be you know the nurse coming over. Okay, AI's don't read..."

"like a big question mark, which is in a world where there's an intelligence that is smarter than most humans at most things, which is what we call AGI. I'm trying to understand what the fault is in my..."

"Hinton and yourself that says, "How could we possibly control an an intelligent being that is way smarter than us?" >> I am so proud to say that Geoffrey, after we filmed together, actually came out a..."

"we be able to control AI? Cuz we kind of think of AI as being this thing on a computer at the moment that is like contained in a server somewhere, but is there a time when it like leaves the server an..."

"intelligent models that the the creators of these models don't actually understand themselves. I watch Anthropic all the time release these reports where they're like, "We're trying to figure out why ..."

"I don't think AI in and of itself is a is an evil inherently evil technology. >> Yeah. Because I use AI all day every day. You know, makes me more productive. I invest in companies that are using AI a..."

">> 70% of people who add something to their online cart never actually buy it. And that number is based on over 10 years of research. But what I think is even more interesting is what the Baymard Inst..."

">> So, we're in 2026 now. By '27, you think they'll be AGI amongst us? >> Mhm. >> How will life look at all different? Like, what will we What will be the symptoms of that world? Is it just a slight i..."

">> I think this is the the question people come back to is, well, if the US stops, then we're going to end up being China's lapdog. We're going to end up >> You already are. Come on. You are. >> that ..."

"people should go and ask the government to invest more in AI. >> 100%. That's what number one. Number two is >> But then the jobs go. >> But but you see the more the most interesting job going forward..."

">> Can economy work in [clears throat] such a way where everybody is an entrepreneur? >> It did it did before. Capitalism changed that around. >> Everyone was an entrepreneur. >> Of course. You know, ..."

"Are you saying that they need to join the arms race and double down and invest all their money in building competitive AI so that people use our technology here in the UK versus America's? Because the..."

"is global competition going to produce a better product than regional competition? >> It depends on on where in the stack of the quality of that product you need to be, right? You do not need the ulti..."

">> This has had probably the single biggest impact on my office. Of all the products that I've tried that have given me productivity gains or cognitive boosts, I would say that exogenous ketones are i..."

"When I have these conversations about AI, what I'm trying to do all the time is to pass out what is like wishful thinking and then what is reality. And like what to understand reality, you have to und..."

">> Whose economy do you think is going to be in a better place for the middle class >> sure. >> out of the say the UK and the United States? >> The UK's gone. >> It's gone because what in part because..."

"AI that is just purely focused on ethical, will it be as engaging and have the same usage as one built with the reins off? >> Uh no. >> It won't. >> Yeah, but that's but that's the problem humanity ne..."

"this kind of change happened without government intervention? >> French Revolution. >> So, I was thinking about things like climate change, even you could say smoking. All these kinds of things have h..."

">> When you say absolute dystopia, just so I'm clear in my mind, the absolute dystopia you're forecasting over a decade is about war? >> War, economics, jobs. >> Economics, it's about jobs. >> It's it..."

">> Are you optimistic? >> I am optimistic about the future. I'm very optimistic about the future. I'm not optimistic about the present. >> You're not optimistic about the next decade. >> Yeah, I'm not..."

"any of the principles that you wrote in this book about how to live a happy life are more important now in the world that we live in than maybe when you wrote this book. >> Oh, for sure. I mean, hones..."

"next. Question left for you is, "What's the legacy you want to leave?" >> Nothing at all. I've been asked this question. >> I get asked it all the time, so. >> I don't know why so many people are aski..."