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Volodymyr Zelenskyy: Ukraine, War, Peace, Putin, Trump, NATO, and Freedom | Lex Fridman Podcast #456

Volodymyr Zelenskyy: Ukraine, War, Peace, Putin, Trump, NATO, and Freedom | Lex Fridman Podcast #456

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Volodymyr Zelenskyy is the President of Ukraine. This episode is available in English, Ukrainian, and Russian. Captions and voice-over audio tracks are provided in English, Ukrainian, Russian, and the original mixed-language version, with subtitles available in your preferred language. To listen to the original mixed language version, please select the English (UK) audio track audio track. The default is English overdub. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep456-sb See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. *Transcript:* https://lexfridman.com/volodymyr-zelenskyy-transcript *CONTACT LEX:* *Feedback* - give feedback to Lex: https://lexfridman.com/survey *AMA* - submit questions, videos or call-in: https://lexfridman.com/ama *Hiring* - join our team: https://lexfridman.com/hiring *Other* - other ways to get in touch: https://lexfridman.com/contact *EPISODE LINKS:* President Zelenskyy's X: https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa President Zelenskyy's Instagram: https://instagram.com/zelenskyy_official President Zelenskyy's Website: https://www.president.gov.ua/ *SPONSORS:* To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: *Notion:* Note-taking and team collaboration. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/notion-ep456-sb *GitHub:* Developer platform and AI code editor. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/github-ep456-sb *AG1:* All-in-one daily nutrition drinks. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/ag1-ep456-sb *LMNT:* Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep456-sb *Eight Sleep:* Temp-controlled smart mattress cover. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/eight_sleep-ep456-sb *BetterHelp:* Online therapy and counseling. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/betterhelp-ep456-sb *OUTLINE:* 0:00 - Introduction 3:29 - Introductory words from Lex 13:55 - Language 23:44 - World War II 40:32 - Invasion on Feb 24, 2022 47:07 - Negotiating Peace 1:07:24 - NATO and security guarantees 1:20:17 - Sitting down with Putin and Trump 1:39:47 - Compromise and leverage 1:45:15 - Putin and Russia 1:55:07 - Donald Trump 2:05:39 - Martial Law and Elections 2:17:58 - Corruption 2:26:44 - Elon Musk 2:30:47 - Trump Inauguration on Jan 20 2:33:55 - Power dynamics in Ukraine 2:37:27 - Future of Ukraine 2:42:09 - Choice of language 2:51:39 - Podcast prep and research process 3:00:04 - Travel and setup 3:05:51 - Conclusion *PODCAST LINKS:* - Podcast Website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast - Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr - Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 - RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ - Podcast Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4 - Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/lexclips *SOCIAL LINKS:* - X: https://x.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://instagram.com/lexfridman - TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://facebook.com/lexfridman - Patreon: https://patreon.com/lexfridman - Telegram: https://t.me/lexfridman - Reddit: https://reddit.com/r/lexfridman

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0:00 - 0:41
0:41 duration130 words

A Symbolic Visit

Zelenskyy expresses hope for the reopening of Kyiv airport and the potential for President Trump to visit Ukraine, emphasizing the symbolic importance of such a trip. He discusses the perception of corruption and the need to assure international leaders that aid is directed towards the war effort and freedom.

"- I hope the Kyiv airport will open soon. Then it will... it will be easier to fly in. - Yes, I think that the war will end, and President Trump may be the first leader to travel here by airplane. I t..."

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0:41 - 1:56
1:15 duration209 words

Fighting Corruption and Misinformation

Zelenskyy addresses concerns about corruption in Ukraine, explaining that the country has primarily received weapons rather than money. He highlights the importance of combating misinformation and maintaining trust with international allies, asserting that Ukraine is committed to cracking down on any corruption within the supply chain.

"- In most of cases, we did not receive money, we received weapons. And where we saw risks that something could be happening with weapons, we cracked down hard on everyone. And believe me, this is not ..."

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1:56 - 3:09
1:13 duration214 words

Understanding Putin

In a light-hearted exchange, Zelenskyy discusses the complexities of negotiating with Putin, emphasizing the need to view him as a serious leader. He reflects on the challenges of reaching an agreement with someone who conducts destructive military actions, while also acknowledging the importance of dialogue.

"In the end, you lose trust, and with it, you lose support. Therefore, believe me, we are fighting more against disinformation than against particular cases, although I still emphasize once again, at t..."

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3:09 - 4:22
1:12 duration182 words

The Importance of Language

Fridman introduces the conversation's linguistic dynamics, explaining the mix of languages used during the interview. He discusses the significance of language in the context of war and how it shapes communication, emphasizing the challenges faced by translators in conveying the depth of emotion and meaning.

"- Who are you talking about now? Who loves his country? - Putin. Do you think he doesn't love his country? - No. What is his country? He happened to consider Ukraine his country. What is his country? ..."

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4:22 - 5:40
1:18 duration200 words

War and Language Identity

Zelenskyy reflects on the symbolic importance of the Ukrainian language in the fight for freedom and independence. He shares the challenges of communicating effectively in a multilingual context, highlighting the emotional weight of language during wartime.

"We had a choice, speak in Russian, Ukrainian, or English. The President does speak some English, but he's far from fluent in it. And I, sadly, don't speak Ukrainian. Yet. So Russian is the only common..."

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5:40 - 7:20
1:39 duration227 words

A Personal Connection

Fridman shares his personal connection to Ukraine, discussing his family's roots and experiences. He emphasizes the importance of understanding the geopolitical complexities of the region and the significance of Zelenskyy's leadership during the ongoing conflict.

"So we had a difficult choice of three languages. And faced with that choice, we said yes to all three. To the consternation and dismay of the translators. We make captions and voice over audio tracks ..."

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7:20 - 9:11
1:50 duration254 words

Zelenskyy's Remarkable Leadership

Fridman praises Zelenskyy as a historic figure and a remarkable leader, reflecting on the challenges he has faced since the onset of the war. He discusses the importance of Zelenskyy's role in navigating the complexities of the conflict and the need for continued dialogue.

"civilization. On another note, let me say that President Zelenskyy is a truly remarkable person and a historic figure. I say this as somebody who deeply understands the geopolitical complexity and his..."

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9:11 - 10:31
1:20 duration206 words

Pushing for Peace

Fridman expresses his commitment to advocating for peace and the importance of dialogue between leaders. He shares his plans to engage with both Zelenskyy and Putin in the pursuit of a ceasefire and security guarantees, emphasizing the need for ongoing efforts to find a path to peace.

"being. It was an honor and pleasure to talk with him on and off the mic. Now, it is true that I plan to travel to Moscow and to speak with President Vladimir Putin. And I hope to be back in Kyiv as we..."

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10:31 - 12:55
2:24 duration332 words

Historical Context of Ukraine-Russia Relations

Fridman provides a historical overview of Ukraine's independence and the evolving relationship with Russia. He discusses key events that have shaped the conflict, including the Orange Revolution and the annexation of Crimea, setting the stage for understanding the current situation.

"Now, finally, please allow me to briefly overview some history to give background for several topics that President Zelenskyy references in this conversation. I recommend my conversation with Serhii P..."

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12:55 - 14:01
1:05 duration174 words

Language as a Tool for Understanding

Zelenskyy emphasizes the importance of language in fostering understanding and communication. He discusses the challenges of speaking multiple languages during the interview and the significance of conveying messages effectively in the context of war.

"I believe that Presidents Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump should meet soon after January 20th this year, and give everything they got to negotiate a ceasefire and security guarantees that pave the way for..."

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14:01 - 15:57
1:56 duration285 words

The Reality of War

Zelenskyy shares the harsh realities of the ongoing war, detailing the daily missile attacks and the impact on the Ukrainian people. He expresses his disdain for the narrative that frames the conflict as a defense of the Russian language, highlighting the need for clarity in communication.

"- I speak Russian perfectly, of course, and I understand everything you are talking about. However, I can't respond in Russian the entire interview. It's because... This is how it is today. I am not m..."

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15:57 - 19:03
3:05 duration475 words

Cultural Identity and Conflict

Zelenskyy discusses the cultural implications of the war and the importance of recognizing Ukraine as a distinct nation. He emphasizes that the conflict is not merely about language but about the fundamental differences between Ukraine and Russia.

"They…they began the occupation in the supposed defense of the Russian language. And that's why... With all due respect, I would like to give an interview in Ukrainian. This is very... This is very imp..."

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19:03 - 22:10
3:07 duration546 words

Odessa: A Cultural Gem

Zelenskyy shares his love for Odessa, describing its unique culture and cuisine. He highlights the city's significance to Ukraine and the resilience of its people, emphasizing the importance of visiting and understanding the region.

"You're a smart guy, so you have a lot of experience in dialogue of this kind. That's why I think you will, you will understand me. Yeah I, anyway, I think it is far better for Donald Trump to hear my ..."

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22:10 - 23:42
1:32 duration295 words

Future Meetings and Collaboration

Fridman and Zelenskyy discuss the possibility of future meetings, including a light-hearted mention of sharing a meal with Joe Rogan. They emphasize the importance of collaboration and dialogue in the pursuit of peace and understanding.

"- Well, when you come and visit me in Texas as a guest for the third time... - With pleasure. - Let's do this. How about you, my friend Joe Rogan, and I will go get some Texas barbecue together. - Who..."

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23:12 - 24:34
1:22 duration241 words

Legacy of a War Hero

Zelenskyy recounts the story of his grandfather, a World War II veteran who fought bravely and suffered greatly. He reflects on the personal and familial impact of war, emphasizing the tragedy it brought to Ukraine and the importance of remembering history.

"I'm... I'm a little bit busy. - Yeah. - But... if I'll be... if I'll be in the United States, I hope that I will have a conversation and a meeting with President Trump. And of course, during my visit ..."

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24:34 - 26:01
1:26 duration169 words

The Tragedy of War

Zelenskyy shares the harrowing details of his grandfather's experiences during the war, including the loss of family members and the brutal realities of occupation. He underscores the collective trauma of war and its lasting effects on families and nations.

"Although I asked him as a boy would, "How many fascists did you kill?" He never talked about it. He believed that the war was a great... a great tragedy. A tragedy for everyone. And... Ukraine was occ..."

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26:01 - 27:13
1:11 duration141 words

Family Values Amidst Chaos

Reflecting on his upbringing, Zelenskyy discusses the values instilled in him by his family, emphasizing education and respect over material inheritance. He paints a picture of a close-knit family living through the challenges of Soviet and post-Soviet life.

"He was the only one who came back. He had nobody, he came back and he found... found my grandmother, his future wife. And she was, she managed... What was it called then? I don't know, they don't have..."

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27:13 - 28:43
1:30 duration194 words

Lessons from History

Zelenskyy draws parallels between the past and present, discussing the significance of historical events like World War II. He emphasizes the importance of learning from history to prevent future conflicts, particularly in light of the ongoing war in Ukraine.

"And I think that my grandfather, frankly, would never have believed that this war is possible. He would never have believed it. Because he worked in the police after the war, he was a colonel, he work..."

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28:43 - 30:02
1:18 duration188 words

The Start of a New Conflict

Zelenskyy reflects on the invasion of Ukraine in 2022, comparing it to the onset of World War II. He discusses the importance of understanding the historical context of conflicts and the need for vigilance against rising fascism and authoritarianism.

"in our minds and in our hearts. I believe that. - It's a one second delay. - Yeah, yeah, yeah... - So, if I... I'm sorry, if you... - It's fine... - ...tell a joke, I will laugh about 1, 2 or 3 second..."

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30:02 - 31:43
1:40 duration165 words

The Rise of Fascism

Zelenskyy analyzes the historical roots of fascism and its resurgence in modern times. He warns against the dangers of ignoring early signs of authoritarianism, drawing parallels between Hitler's rise and Putin's current actions.

"- Well... Well, firstly, the war actually started earlier. It started here, in Ukraine. Kyiv was bombed, as you quoted. But the war had already begun before that. And I think I perceived it as a start..."

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31:43 - 33:40
1:57 duration270 words

The Consequences of Inaction

Zelenskyy discusses the global community's failure to act against early signs of aggression from authoritarian leaders. He emphasizes the need for proactive measures to prevent conflicts, reflecting on the lessons learned from history.

"A vision of "one world." And, in principle, the so-called Russian World, the ideology Putin promotes and imposes—it wasn’t originally like that. He was a different person back then, or maybe he was al..."

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33:40 - 35:02
1:21 duration195 words

The Morning of Invasion

Zelenskyy recounts the harrowing moments of February 24, 2022, when Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine. He shares his immediate reactions and the decisions he had to make as the president, highlighting the chaos and urgency of the situation.

"What I told you about. Europe was sinking then. I gave you an example of it. But the whole world looked the other way. And didn't pay attention. And said, "No, we can negotiate with him." "I'm telling..."

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35:02 - 36:55
1:53 duration246 words

Mobilizing a Nation

In the face of invasion, Zelenskyy describes how he mobilized the Ukrainian people, distributing weapons and ensuring communication. He emphasizes the importance of unity and information in the fight against aggression.

"Before this, I must honestly say... Everyone said something, predicted something, etc., but I asked only for one thing, primarily from the United States: if you are sure, if you have the evidence, if ..."

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36:55 - 38:12
1:17 duration167 words

Confronting Belarus

Zelenskyy shares a conversation with Belarusian leader Lukashenko during the early days of the war. He recounts Lukashenko's attempts to distance himself from the invasion and Zelenskyy's firm response, highlighting the complexities of regional politics.

"how can this be? You just can't fully believe this. You just don't understand, why now, given everything that happen in World War 2... when... when millions of people died. None of it mattered. Still,..."

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38:12 - 39:56
1:43 duration252 words

The Weight of Leadership

Zelenskyy reflects on the personal toll of leadership during wartime. He discusses the sacrifices he made as a father and husband, emphasizing the heavy responsibilities that come with being the president during a crisis.

""That's it, he just..." On the phone, I remember this conversation. I told him that I believed... I told him, "You are a murderer too, I'm just saying." And he told me, "You must understand, you can't..."

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39:56 - 41:34
1:38 duration229 words

Decision-Making Under Pressure

Zelenskyy details the decision-making process he underwent on the morning of the invasion. He describes the urgency of his actions and the collaboration with military and government officials to respond effectively to the crisis.

"The strength is in your family, and this is the most important thing. And I'm the president, and therefore I had to stop being a father in my own family. And my wife had to do everything, she had to d..."

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41:34 - 43:41
2:06 duration276 words

Building an Information Network

Zelenskyy explains how he utilized his media experience to establish an information network during the invasion. He emphasizes the importance of communication and trust in keeping the nation informed and united.

"- According to our legislation, in principle, I'm the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, so I had to give corresponding orders. Yes, I have a military office, and then later there was a..."

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43:41 - 45:01
1:20 duration157 words

Addressing the Nation

Zelenskyy shares his strategy for addressing the Ukrainian people during the invasion. He highlights the significance of being a visible leader and the impact of his messages in rallying the nation against the aggressor.

"Russia is very good, at spreading large-scale disinformation. Fortunately, I have two decades of experience managing a production studio, TV channels, and large media resources. I understood that we n..."

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45:01 - 47:38
2:36 duration405 words

A Call to the Russian People

Zelenskyy discusses his efforts to communicate directly with the Russian people during the conflict. He emphasizes the importance of reaching out to those who may oppose the war and the challenges posed by state-controlled media.

"There were waves. There were waves of Russian on the first day, who said, "He ran away." I had to go out into the street. I left the office and went outside. I had to do this, because I was showing th..."

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47:43 - 49:06
1:23 duration178 words

The Nature of Dialogue with Putin

Zelenskyy contrasts the nature of dialogue with innovators like Elon Musk and the stark reality of negotiating with Putin. He expresses skepticism about the effectiveness of discussions with a leader who prioritizes power over progress, emphasizing the need for strength in negotiations.

"This is why I have hope. - He is actually deaf, even if he speaks to you, he is deaf by his very nature. Do you understand the difference? You know, for instance when you talk to Musk you're talking t..."

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49:06 - 50:55
1:49 duration254 words

Peace Through Strength

Zelenskyy shares his belief in the principle of 'peace through strength,' echoing sentiments similar to those of Donald Trump. He argues that Ukraine must maintain a strong position to negotiate effectively and end the war, stressing the importance of military readiness.

"He is... he is simply different. - But it's still necessary. - A mammoth stands before you. - By the way, I must say that when you said "bare-assed", it was not translated. Could the interpreter pleas..."

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50:55 - 52:00
1:04 duration156 words

The Naivety of Ceasefire Talks

Zelenskyy critiques the idea of negotiating a ceasefire without addressing the underlying issues of security and territorial integrity. He warns against the dangers of trusting Putin's intentions and emphasizes the need for a robust strategy to ensure Ukraine's safety.

"Yes, it is possible through dialogue. We're not opposed to it. You just need to be in a strong position to make the other person want it. Do you think he wants to end the war? That's what you suggeste..."

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52:00 - 53:54
1:54 duration263 words

The Importance of Security Guarantees

In a detailed analysis, Zelenskyy outlines the necessity of security guarantees for Ukraine in any ceasefire agreement. He reflects on past negotiations and the importance of ensuring that any deal does not leave Ukraine vulnerable to future aggression.

"You won't see it. That's what I think. Sorry. - No, sorry, I interrupted you first. But what I would want... I do have what some, what some might call a naive dream of you sitting down with Putin and ..."

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53:54 - 55:10
1:15 duration193 words

Lessons from Past Negotiations

Zelenskyy recounts his experiences from the Normandy talks, emphasizing the need for thorough preparation and understanding of the negotiation process. He reflects on the challenges faced when dealing with Putin and the importance of being well-informed.

"By the way, no one in Ukraine believed, few believed in the ceasefire, and he wanted troop withdrawal. I calculated that if there were a withdrawal of troops from the line of contact the way Russians ..."

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55:10 - 56:59
1:48 duration238 words

The Reality of Ceasefire Agreements

Zelenskyy discusses the reality of ceasefire agreements and the consequences of failing to uphold them. He shares his frustrations with past commitments and the ongoing violence that undermines peace efforts, highlighting the human cost of the conflict.

"When you step into the ring, you understand everything, pretty much. - Mhm. - And so I stepped into it, and I was... I was definitely well prepared. But he wasn't. No. He was not deeply involved in th..."

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56:59 - 1:00:13
3:14 duration450 words

The Human Cost of War

Zelenskyy emphasizes the tragic human toll of the war, particularly in cities like Mariupol. He shares harrowing accounts of civilian suffering and the urgent need for international attention and action to address the humanitarian crisis.

"and exchanged the people. Regarding the ceasefire. Well... They started killing us in about a month. So... I called him. And I told him, "We agreed on a ceasefire, didn’t we? Well, it wasn't a piece o..."

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1:00:13 - 1:02:39
2:26 duration363 words

Children in Conflict Zones

Zelenskyy raises concerns about the millions of children affected by the war, questioning the morality of a ceasefire without addressing their safety. He highlights the ongoing recruitment of children into conflict and the dire need for protective measures.

"attention to Crimea being illegally occupied either. And, to be honest, the United States of America too. Everyone was somewhat silent about this issue. That's how it was. It was...it was like that be..."

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1:02:39 - 1:04:56
2:16 duration288 words

Negotiating for Lasting Peace

Zelenskyy outlines his vision for achieving lasting peace through a combination of ceasefire, humanitarian exchanges, and diplomatic efforts. He stresses the importance of security guarantees and the role of international leaders in supporting Ukraine's sovereignty.

"to the people who live in those territories? These are millions of people. Did you know, that since 2014, in Donetsk, in the Crimea, This is happening in Melitopol as well as in Berdyansk now, they ar..."

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1:04:56 - 1:07:11
2:15 duration344 words

The Role of NATO in Ukraine's Security

Zelenskyy discusses the potential for NATO membership as a crucial security guarantee for Ukraine. He argues for a strong position in negotiations and the necessity of military support to deter further aggression from Russia.

"But he will give Putin an opportunity because in Putin's head, he wants me to fight with Trump. Putin's plan is to end the occupation of our territory. This is in his sick head. And... I am absolutely..."

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1:07:11 - 1:09:34
2:22 duration389 words

Unity in Support for Ukraine

Zelenskyy calls for unity among international allies in providing military aid and sanctions against Russia. He emphasizes the importance of a coordinated response to ensure Ukraine's strength and resilience in the face of ongoing threats.

"I'm just sharing this with you. Like I said at the very beginning, I want to be very honest with you and with your audience. Yes, it's true. If we do not have security guarantees, Putin will come agai..."

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1:09:13 - 1:10:04
0:50 duration152 words

Unity in Arms Aid and Sanctions

Zelenskyy outlines the necessity for a united arms aid package from the U.S. and EU to support Ukraine. He stresses the importance of sanctions against Russia, particularly regarding energy, to weaken Putin's financial resources for the war.

"And I think he will be happy. And the president and your people will be happy. But it's your decision, I'm just sharing. Yes, And cheap oil. So, Putin won't have so much money for... for the war. And ..."

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1:10:04 - 1:11:36
1:32 duration232 words

The Nature of the Conflict

Zelenskyy clarifies the nature of the war, emphasizing that it is not an internal conflict but a full-scale invasion initiated by Putin. He discusses the importance of recognizing this reality, especially when engaging with global leaders who may have a more balanced view.

"- Okay, can I interview you a little? Question is: what land is the war happening on? And where did it start? On our soil, on our territory, international law was violated, the sovereignty of our coun..."

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1:11:36 - 1:12:55
1:19 duration197 words

The Consequences of Injustice Post-War

Zelenskyy warns about the potential for vengeance and unrest if justice is not served after the war. He draws parallels to human nature and historical precedents, stressing that without accountability for war crimes, cycles of violence may continue.

"And all of them, all of them, if you talk to them, they say... "Mmhh..." But then they all recognize that... that it's his own big mistake. Putin's mistake. And that he's not right. That's why I said,..."

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1:12:55 - 1:14:22
1:27 duration219 words

NATO as a Security Alliance

In this segment, Zelenskyy discusses NATO's role as a defensive alliance, arguing that it not only protects Ukraine but also serves as a security measure for Russia. He counters Putin's claims of NATO being offensive, emphasizing its importance in maintaining peace.

"- My English is not very good either. - Your English is very good. - Thank you. To be honest, I'm terrible at speaking in every language. Well, there... there are other ideas. For instance, sorry to s..."

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1:14:22 - 1:15:36
1:13 duration160 words

The Need for Strong Security Guarantees

Zelenskyy articulates the necessity of strong security guarantees for Ukraine, especially in light of past agreements like the Budapest Memorandum, which he argues failed to provide real security. He stresses that without such guarantees, Ukraine remains vulnerable.

"And nobody is held accountable... But the man lost his children. He... He will not get anything. None of the killers will be in prison. All the sanctions will be removed. And he lost his children. And..."

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1:15:36 - 1:17:14
1:38 duration215 words

The Budapest Memorandum's Failures

Zelenskyy reflects on the Budapest Memorandum, highlighting its inadequacies as a security guarantee for Ukraine. He recounts the lack of response from guarantor nations when Ukraine faced aggression, underscoring the need for reliable international support.

"why wouldn't these people come back with hate? They will definitely come back. So when we talk about NATO, NATO is not only stopping Russia. Do not forget, NATO is stopping us too. Because there will ..."

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1:17:14 - 1:18:54
1:40 duration221 words

The Role of the United States in NATO

Zelenskyy emphasizes the pivotal role of the United States in NATO, arguing that without U.S. involvement, the alliance's effectiveness is compromised. He draws historical parallels to World War II, asserting that U.S. support was crucial for victory.

"It works or not. It works politically or militarily. I don't know. But it works. So without Trump without the United States of America there will not be NATO. That is the first. So... And you say, can..."

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1:18:54 - 1:20:01
1:06 duration167 words

Children and War: A Human Perspective

Zelenskyy shares a poignant perspective on the impact of war on children, discussing the importance of building bomb shelters and providing safety for the youth. He highlights the emotional toll of war and the need for humanitarian support.

"these security guarantees, which can prevent Russian aggression. Of course, we have security guarantees, bilaterally with some countries: financing, support of our internal military and defending and ..."

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1:20:01 - 1:21:10
1:09 duration176 words

A Vision for Peace Negotiations

Zelenskyy expresses a hopeful vision for future peace negotiations involving key leaders like Trump and Putin. He outlines the importance of Ukraine's voice in these discussions and the potential for strong security guarantees to emerge from such talks.

"- Your English is better than my Russian. This is so... this is wonderful. - I'm not sure. - I'm just giving you a compliment. - Thank you! No, no, thank you. - You're supposed to do that kind of thi..."

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1:26:47 - 1:28:35
1:48 duration207 words

The Budapest Memorandum: A Broken Promise

Zelenskyy discusses the Budapest Memorandum, highlighting the failure of security guarantees provided to Ukraine by nuclear powers. He emphasizes the lack of response from guarantor nations when Ukraine sought consultations after territorial violations, illustrating the disillusionment with international commitments and the consequences of Ukraine's disarmament.

"It is translated as "assurance", assurance right? And in Russian it will be... And ... What? Assurance. That is, give up nuclear weapons because you were under pressure of the US and Russia for Ukrain..."

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1:28:35 - 1:30:01
1:25 duration167 words

NATO: A Compromise for Peace

In this segment, Zelenskyy reflects on NATO's role as a potential compromise for peace in Ukraine. He contrasts the security guarantees offered by NATO with the ineffective promises of the Budapest Memorandum, arguing that NATO membership could prevent future aggression from Russia and ensure Ukraine's sovereignty.

"USA Britain Russia. France China. Did anyone come, you ask? No. Did anyone reply to these letters, official letters, they are all recorded by diplomats. Did anyone conduct consultations? No. And why n..."

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1:30:01 - 1:31:44
1:43 duration222 words

The Minsk Agreements: A Failed Strategy

Zelenskyy critiques the Minsk agreements, detailing the lack of genuine commitment from international players and the failure to achieve a ceasefire. He shares his experiences of numerous meetings and negotiations that did not yield results, emphasizing the need for serious and prepared discussions for peace.

"No. Another. This is a train, this is a train with waste paper, with security guarantees, which Ukraine has been riding for many years. The second car on this train is the Minsk agreements. The Norman..."

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1:31:44 - 1:33:34
1:49 duration243 words

Engaging with Trump: A Path to Peace?

Zelenskyy discusses the importance of engaging with former President Trump, expressing hope for a meeting that could address Ukraine's pressing issues. He believes Trump's influence could be pivotal in stopping Putin's aggression, highlighting the need for collaboration and strategic partnerships.

"Seriously. Republicans were in favor. The US was in favor. Because Republicans and Bush were not afraid of anyone. They were not afraid of anyone. And they knew that Ukraine rightly wanted to join NAT..."

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1:33:34 - 1:35:49
2:14 duration341 words

The Threat of Putin: A Calculated Risk

In this segment, Zelenskyy warns about the dangers of underestimating Putin's ambitions. He discusses the potential for increased military aggression if NATO support wanes, stressing the importance of a united front against Russian expansionism and the historical context of European military dynamics.

"first and foremost number one. Moreover, he told me on the phone that... he is waiting for us to meet and there will be an official visit, and my visit would be the first or one of the first to him. A..."

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1:35:49 - 1:37:58
2:09 duration253 words

Military Partnerships: Building Strength

Zelenskyy emphasizes the need for military partnerships with countries like India and Saudi Arabia to bolster Ukraine's defense capabilities. He discusses the importance of financial support for Ukraine's military industry and the strategic use of frozen Russian assets to fund military needs.

"And if you say there is a risk that Trump, President Trump, will withdraw from NATO, for example, this is a decision of the United States, I am simply saying that if it does, Putin will destroy Europe..."

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1:37:58 - 1:40:41
2:42 duration321 words

Sanctions and Economic Warfare

Zelenskyy advocates for increased sanctions against Russia, arguing that economic pressure is essential to countering aggression. He discusses the importance of international cooperation in enforcing sanctions and the need for a robust military response to deter further Russian actions.

"And for what? We definitely don't want a world war with you. There is no such purpose. There is no such purpose as gathering everyone. We do not want any war. We want to stop the Russians. And they in..."

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1:40:41 - 1:43:07
2:25 duration412 words

Forgiveness and Justice: The Human Cost of War

Zelenskyy reflects on the personal toll of the war, emphasizing that forgiveness for Putin's actions is impossible for those who have lost loved ones. He discusses the deep emotional scars left by the conflict and the need for justice as part of any future peace process.

"- Ah, that's, you, you... Well, when you speak. - In English. - In English, yeah. You don't even need answers because when you now were talking, you already answered on all the questions. The first on..."

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1:43:07 - 1:49:36
6:29 duration870 words

Putin's True Intentions: A Question of Loyalty

In this powerful segment, Zelenskyy questions Putin's loyalty to his own people, arguing that sending soldiers to die in foreign conflicts demonstrates a lack of genuine care. He contrasts this with his own commitment to protecting Ukraine, underscoring the moral implications of leadership during wartime.

"impossible. I don't know, do you have children? - No, not yet, - Okay. - But I would like to. - Yes. God bless. And this is the most important thing in life. And they simply took away the most precio..."

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1:49:12 - 1:51:00
1:47 duration266 words

Leadership in Times of War

Zelenskyy discusses the responsibilities of leaders during wartime, contrasting his own commitment to staying in Kyiv with the absence of leaders like Putin in conflict zones. He highlights the importance of being present for one's people and the expectations of leadership in crisis situations.

"Well, just bigger. So... so ask yourself, does he love them? What is he doing? And what does he love? Do you think he's been everywhere? In his Russia? It's impossible to get around it. He hasn't been..."

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3:43 duration500 words

Forgiveness After Conflict

In a deep conversation about the future of Ukrainian-Russian relations, Zelenskyy reflects on the historical patterns of forgiveness after wars. He draws parallels with Germany's post-war reconciliation, emphasizing that true peace requires acknowledgment of guilt and reparations from the aggressor.

"- Listen, I have... tremendous respect for you, admiration for many reasons, one of which is you stayed in Kyiv. And another one is that you visit the front, and you talk to the soldiers on the front,..."

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1:54:44 - 1:57:12
2:28 duration360 words

Admiration for Trump: Strength and Leadership

Zelenskyy shares his views on Donald Trump, praising his strength and ability to connect with the American people. He discusses the importance of strong leadership in the context of global conflicts and expresses hope for Trump's potential role in resolving the war in Ukraine.

"It will. This will happen because they are guilty. They are guilty. And as I told you, the guilty are different. Both those who participated and... and those who remained silent. Because... silence is..."

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1:57:12 - 2:01:10
3:57 duration532 words

Putin's Goals: A Threat to Independence

Zelenskyy outlines Putin's ambitions regarding Ukraine, emphasizing the importance of Ukraine's independence and the dangers of Russian influence. He warns of the consequences of a weakened Ukraine and NATO, and the potential for further aggression in Europe.

"around him who will have connections with him, with the right things. For me, the truth is very right things. What's going on really on the battlefield? What's going on really with Putin and Russia? W..."

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2:01:10 - 2:04:12
3:02 duration400 words

The Global Impact of War

Zelenskyy discusses the broader implications of the war in Ukraine, including its effects on global security and the potential risks posed by North Korea. He stresses the interconnectedness of international conflicts and the need for strong alliances to counter threats.

"That is, he turned back Georgia. Young people, students, everyone leaves, and this is a fact. Georgia is quite small. And they will leave, they, they want to live in Europe, they want to develop. Some..."

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2:04:12 - 2:06:00
1:47 duration215 words

Martial Law and Sacrifices for Freedom

Zelenskyy addresses the difficult decision to enact martial law in Ukraine, explaining the necessity of such measures in the face of aggression. He reflects on the sacrifices made in the name of freedom and the balance between security and individual rights during wartime.

"This is what he will do. And besides this this will happen in any case, even if the US is thinking about leaving NATO. This war will affect the United States because North Korea is the first sign. Nor..."

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2:06:00 - 2:10:27
4:27 duration585 words

Building a Future After War

Zelenskyy discusses the importance of reforms and economic stability in Ukraine post-war. He emphasizes the need for a strong foundation for democracy and freedom, highlighting the ongoing efforts to implement necessary changes even amidst the challenges of conflict.

"- We keep switching languages. - Like a dragon, you know? Three heads, three translators. - So one of the difficult decisions you had to make when the war began is to enact martial law. So, when you w..."

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2:10:37 - 2:12:24
1:46 duration245 words

The Future of Elections

Zelenskyy outlines his vision for future elections in Ukraine, emphasizing that they will occur immediately after the end of martial law. He discusses the importance of public trust in the electoral process and the logistical challenges posed by the ongoing war, including the need for a secure voting system.

"Yes, it slowed down, but we went through a lot. - When do you think you will hold elections? Because for people who don't know, as a part of the martial law, elections were suspended, and they were de..."

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2:12:24 - 2:14:11
1:46 duration248 words

Running for Re-election?

Zelenskyy reflects on the possibility of running for re-election, stating that it depends on the outcome of the war and the desires of the Ukrainian people. He shares the difficulty of contemplating political ambitions amidst the ongoing conflict, highlighting the focus on immediate wartime responsibilities.

"The infrastructure needs to be created for these millions of people to vote. Millions of people in the occupied territories. I am not even talking about the occupation of 2014. I am talking about the ..."

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2:14:11 - 2:16:39
2:28 duration365 words

Candidates and Ideas for Ukraine's Future

In this segment, Zelenskyy discusses the potential candidates for future elections in Ukraine, emphasizing the importance of their current actions over election campaigning during wartime. He acknowledges the diverse political landscape and the need for unity in addressing the challenges posed by the war.

"- Are you running for re-election? - Even I don't know, really. I don't know. I don't know. It is a very difficult question. It depends on how this war will finish. It depends on what people will want..."

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2:16:39 - 2:18:24
1:45 duration266 words

Corruption in Wartime

Zelenskyy addresses concerns about corruption during the war, explaining the sophisticated anti-corruption measures in place in Ukraine. He acknowledges the existence of corruption but emphasizes the government's commitment to transparency and accountability, particularly in the context of international aid and military support.

"maybe some of them will, and it's okay. It's normal. It's very normal. Our system differs from the system in the United States. You have two parties, and the parties decide who will be the leader. And..."

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2:18:24 - 2:20:56
2:31 duration368 words

Fighting Corruption and Misinformation

Zelenskyy elaborates on the fight against corruption and misinformation, stressing the importance of trust in international support. He discusses the challenges of ensuring aid is used effectively and the need for vigilance against disinformation campaigns that undermine public confidence.

"I mentioned $9 trillion in the United States, war breeds corruption. So can you speak to that, how you have been fighting corruption? And can you respond to the accusations that has been corruption in..."

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2:20:56 - 2:23:44
2:48 duration318 words

The Role of Lobbying and Aid

In this segment, Zelenskyy discusses the complexities of international aid and lobbying, questioning the nature of perceived corruption in the context of military support. He highlights the challenges faced in securing resources and the need for a transparent dialogue about aid distribution.

"That is, we fought against the strongest influential oligarchs, which, uhm, are and were in Ukraine, and we eliminated a lot of corruption. Of course, corruption exists in everyday life, it exists, bu..."

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2:23:44 - 2:25:56
2:11 duration344 words

Trust and Support from Global Leaders

Zelenskyy speaks directly to global leaders, including Donald Trump and Elon Musk, about the importance of trust in Ukraine's fight for freedom. He emphasizes the need for continued support and the measures taken to ensure that aid is used effectively in the war effort.

"But everywhere you have to spend money. So... We could get more weapons, but we have to pay for this very expensive fleet. My question. Is this corruption or not? Or lobbyism? What is it? - You mean c..."

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2:25:56 - 2:29:00
3:03 duration434 words

Respect for Innovation: Elon Musk

Zelenskyy shares his admiration for Elon Musk, highlighting his contributions to Ukraine through technology like Starlink. He discusses the importance of innovation in wartime and expresses a desire for Musk to engage more with Ukraine, recognizing the impact of technological support on the country's resilience.

"Do you honestly think anyone could steal weapons by the truckload when we ourselves don’t have enough on the front lines? And yet, we have to provide proof to defend ourselves. Because when there’s an..."

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2:29:00 - 2:32:44
3:44 duration582 words

Future Visits and Symbolism

Zelenskyy contemplates the potential for future visits from global leaders, including Trump, to Ukraine. He discusses the symbolic significance of such visits in the context of peace and recovery, emphasizing the need for security and stability before international leaders can visit.

"First of all, so that our guys have a connection, and children, too. And I am really... I am really grateful to him for that. I think we need... I would like him to come to Ukraine, to talk to people ..."

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2:31:57 - 2:33:39
1:42 duration300 words

Influence and Control

Zelenskyy addresses the question of who influences him as a leader, asserting his independence from oligarchs and foreign politicians. He emphasizes the importance of laws and societal rules in maintaining his autonomy and discusses the consequences faced by corrupt oligarchs in Ukraine.

"of person that cannot come without an invitation. This is Putin, we did not invite him, he came to us, so to say. And me? I can't do that. - No, but didn't he publically say that it would be great if ..."

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2:33:39 - 2:35:58
2:18 duration345 words

The Role of Family

Zelenskyy shares a personal anecdote about his son being the only person who can truly influence him. He discusses the significance of family and personal values in his decision-making process as a leader.

"- I think they had to. I mean... - Okay, alright. - ...to do some of their steps, I don't know, but... - Step... the stamp was missing. - Yeah, but with pleasure with my wife, of course, and I think i..."

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2:35:58 - 2:40:26
4:28 duration655 words

Ukraine's Future: Digital Transformation

Zelenskyy outlines his vision for Ukraine's future, emphasizing the importance of digitalization and tax reform. He discusses the potential for economic growth through investments in various sectors, including energy, and the need to attract businesses back to Ukraine post-war.

"Also, probably, my parents, they are an authority for me. Beyond that, I view it more as a system. No one can control the President. Therefore, we have oligarchs who either fled or are in prison becau..."

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2:40:26 - 2:41:47
1:21 duration197 words

Cultural Alignment and Peace

In this segment, Zelenskyy speaks about Ukraine's cultural alignment with Europe versus Russia. He stresses the desire for peace while acknowledging the challenges posed by the ongoing conflict and the importance of maintaining Ukraine's European identity.

"Culturally... I think the most important thing is to remain open and not change our direction. Because culturally aligning with Russia, it's one idea, while aligning with Europe is another. Our people..."

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2:41:47 - 2:42:14
0:26 duration83 words

Closing Thoughts

Zelenskyy expresses hope for peace and gratitude for the support from the United States. He emphasizes the resilience of the Ukrainian people and their determination to rebuild the nation after the war.

"This is very important and it's why we believe that we must not lose this opportunity. - I hope you find the path to peace. Thank you. - Thank you so much. - Thank you for talking to me. - Thank you f..."

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2:50:50 - 2:51:38
0:47 duration137 words

The Language Puzzle

Lex Fridman discusses the challenges and excitement of conducting interviews in multiple languages. He expresses a desire to improve his language skills and explore conversations in languages he doesn't speak, highlighting the importance of language as both a barrier and a gateway to understanding different cultures.

"a mission all of us are passionate about. Anyway, I'll probably be doing a few more interviews in the Russian language. I do have a lingering goal of interviewing the mathematician Grigori Perelman, b..."

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2:51:38 - 2:54:10
2:31 duration399 words

Podcast Preparation Insights

Fridman shares his extensive preparation process for podcasts, emphasizing the importance of consuming diverse sources to build a solid background model. He details his reading habits, including books that inform his understanding of complex topics, and how he integrates insights from various perspectives into his interviews.

"All right, I got a question on how I prepare for podcasts. So this has evolved and expanded more and more over time. There are some podcasts that I prepare hundreds of hours for. In AI terms, let's sa..."

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2:54:10 - 2:56:29
2:18 duration384 words

Navigating Bias in Literature

Lex discusses the significance of recognizing bias in historical texts and how it shapes his understanding of topics. He contrasts different authors' perspectives, such as Anne Applebaum and Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, and explains his method of extracting wisdom while acknowledging inaccuracies.

"So as I'm reading, I'm writing down my thoughts as they come up, always digging for some deeper insight about human nature. If I'm at my computer, I'll write it down in Google Doc, sometimes use Notio..."

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2:56:29 - 2:59:11
2:42 duration441 words

The Art of Questioning

Fridman elaborates on his approach to interviewing, focusing on the importance of asking simple yet profound questions. He aims to create an open dialogue that encourages guests to share their thoughts deeply, while also challenging them when necessary, all in service of the listener's understanding.

"There is a thread that connects all of it together, somehow, if you look closely enough. For more technical guests in STEM fields, I'll read papers. A lot of papers. And also technical blog posts and ..."

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2:59:11 - 3:01:20
2:08 duration364 words

The Kinesis Keyboard Connection

Lex answers a listener's question about his choice of the Kinesis keyboard while traveling. He reflects on the productivity and joy it brings him, likening his relationship with the keyboard to a long-term love story, and discusses the ergonomic considerations that influence his setup.

"To detect the flaws and the strengths of how the guest thinks or who they are deep down. A lot of times when interviewers grill the guest, it doesn't reveal much except give a dopamine hit to the echo..."

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3:01:20 - 3:05:50
4:29 duration690 words

Traveling Minimalist

Fridman shares insights into his minimalist travel setup, detailing his choice of equipment and the importance of efficiency. He discusses his dual-booting system for work and video editing, and expresses gratitude for the support he receives from his audience as he embarks on new adventures.

"Productivity? Health? RSI? Good questions. Thank you, Delyan. Great question. It made me smile. So I thought I'd answer. I remember that day. There was something else about that day aside from the key..."