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Hitler put Russians on Death Ground - Sarah Paine
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Full Episode: https://youtu.be/YcVSgYz5SJ8 (October 2023) Transcript: https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/sarah-paine Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sarah-c-m-paine-how-xi-putin-think-maritime-vs-continental/id1516093381?i=1000630184469 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/073V9sl5GLf7R0JlMSFdK7?si=Z3Eu2BZiQiCe1rDINzCZDQ Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/dwarkesh_sp
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The Mystery of Russian Resilience
Sarah Paine explores why Russia was able to withstand and eventually push back against the Germans during World War II, despite suffering immense losses. She discusses the effectiveness of central planning in the Soviet Union and contrasts it with the collapse of the Tsarist government, raising questions about the factors that contributed to Russia's military production and resilience.
"why was Russia so robust against not initially but eventually so robust against pushing back against the Germans despite losing tens of millions of soldiers the government doesn't collapse like the Za..."
Death Ground: A Concept of Survival
Paine introduces the concept of 'death ground' from Sun Tzu's teachings, explaining how being placed in a situation where survival is at stake can galvanize a population to fight back. She draws parallels between the experiences of Ukrainians under Stalin and the current conflict, highlighting how oppression can forge a strong national identity and resistance.
"ukrainians initially welcomed the Germans why because Stalin and friends had imposed the uh terrible Famine of the early 1930s on them and they couldn't imagine that anything would be worse than that ..."
Forging National Identity Through Conflict
In this segment, Paine discusses how wars can shape national identities, using the example of the United States during the Revolutionary War and Civil War. She contrasts this with the unconditional surrender strategy employed by the U.S. against Germany and Japan, questioning why the morale of the Japanese did not collapse despite their dire circumstances.
"in the United States uh we start out with our 13 colonies and they're all very different after the Revolutionary War that starts forging a national identity and by the time you get to the end of the C..."
Cultural Factors in Military Morale
Paine delves into the cultural differences that influenced Japanese military morale during World War II. She explains how the concept of honor and loyalty within Japanese society made surrender unthinkable, even in the face of overwhelming odds. This cultural framework contributed to the high morale of Japanese soldiers despite the dire situation they faced.
"leadership had self- put themselves on death ground by where the basically the problem for Tojo hiedi is if he backs down on anything he's out of office and then he doesn't know what happens after tha..."
The Exhaustion of War: Japan's Collapse
This segment examines the eventual exhaustion of Japan by 1945, detailing the economic and social strains that led to their defeat. Paine discusses the internal dynamics of Japanese leadership and the impact of their brutal military campaigns in China, which ultimately contributed to their downfall and the inability to sustain their war efforts.
"the atrocities got even better when there were wounded Japanese soldiers their commanders ordered their fellow soldiers to execute them because they didn't want cripples going home they couldn't deal ..."
Counterfactuals: Japan's Missed Opportunities
Paine reflects on the tragic counterfactuals of World War II, suggesting that had Japan allied with Nationalist forces against Communism, the course of history could have been drastically different. She discusses the implications of such alliances and the potential for preventing the rise of Communism in China and Russia, highlighting the catastrophic consequences of the choices made during the war.
"thinking about war they're not thinking about Grant strategy they're thinking about operational success so the moment you as a soldier start losing a battle instead of in the west where you can Retrea..."