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Sign Up for "Writing Examples" and Learn From The Best Writing of All Time: https://www.writingexamples.com Marc Andreessen deserves a place on the Mount Rushmore of Silicon Valley. His presence in the tech space is unprecedented and he's one of the most prolific investors. The world of online writing is in debt to him. He co-founded Netscape, where he created one of the first web browsers. He invented the tweetstorm, and has helped form the internet. He coined the idea “software is eating the world”, which has defined humanity's evolution over the last decade. Marc isn’t just a mad man creator. He’s a passionate historian and cultural critic too. Name the topic. Marc has an opinion. This episode is a masterclass into a combination of tech and liberal arts in a way to fuel your writing. I came to chat with him about writing, but left with a PhD in obscure Silicon Valley history and a list of book recommendations large enough to fill The Library of Congress. TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00 Intro 00:00:37 It's Time To Build 00:03:00 Editing 00:04:00 Frustration 00:05:00 Outline 00:06:30 Reading 00:08:00 Audiobooks & podcasts 00:10:00 Information intake 00:10:38 Groupchats 00:14:25 Writing 00:16:20 Twitter 00:16:50 Meme Lord & Software is eating the world 00:18:40 Distribution 00:19:50 Tweetstorm 00:23:30 Personal Blog 00:24:00 Lateral Thinkers (Venkatesh Rao, Balaji Srinivasan, Peter Thiel) 00:27:40 LLM 00:28:00 Software as a literary genre 00:33:30 Learning to code as a kid 00:34:45 Constraints 00:36:40 Roman a Clef 00:39:00 Writing at a16z 00:43:40 Hyperlinks 00:45:40 Comments 00:50:00 Reading 00:54:40 Science Fiction 00:58:00 Green Tea 00:58:30 Office 00:59:45 Music 01:01:00 Walking 01:01:20 Ben Horowitz 01:04:50 Manifesto 01:05:00 The Kanye of Blogs 01:09:30 Feedback 01:10:40 Critique 01:13:50 Twitter 01:16:00 Pmarca screenname SPEAKER LINKS: Website: https://www.a16z.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/pmarca WRITE OF PASSAGE: Want to learn more about the next class for Write of Passage? Click here: https://writeofpassage.school PODCAST LINKS: Website: https://writeofpassage.school/how-i-write/ Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-i-write/id1700171470 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2DjMSboniFAeGA8v9NpoPv ABOUT THE HOST: I’m David Perell and I’m a writer, teacher, and podcaster. I believe writing online is one of the biggest opportunities in the world today. For the first time in human history, everybody can freely share their ideas with a global audience. I seek to help as many people publish their writing online as possible. How I Write is a podcast by Write of Passage // Production by Adam Soccolich
Marc Andreessen discusses the immense power of writing and how it shapes communication. He humorously reflects on the idea of Nietzsche as a modern-day Twitter influencer, emphasizing the recurring themes in media throughout history.
"The person who writes down the thing has tremendous power. Why are hyperlinks blue? Because I like blue. You are kind of a meme lord. You're your best when you're a little bit of a rage. It's actually..."
Andreessen shares the inspiration behind his famous phrase 'It's time to build,' born from his frustration during the onset of COVID-19. He recounts the chaotic situation surrounding PPE shortages and the absurdity of asking citizens to donate rain ponchos for hospitals, highlighting a loss of America's productive spirit.
"in an interview that I thought was fascinating that you're talking about your, it's time to build peace. And you said that you wrote it in a rage. You wrote it in a rage. Tell me about that. So, so th..."
In this segment, Andreessen reveals his writing process, emphasizing the importance of writing in one's natural voice. He explains how he quickly outlines his thoughts before crafting them into prose, aiming for authenticity and speed in his writing.
"Was it Hemingway, was it Hemingway said writing, writing is the process of opening a vein and letting the blood spread out of the page. So what happened? Where were you? This is my, my version of that..."
Andreessen reflects on how writing fueled by rage can lead to powerful expressions. He discusses the energy that comes from strong emotions and how it can enhance the writing process, making it more impactful and engaging.
"And then I get the sense that that piece wasn't really edited. I get the sense that like you write it and then you ship it. Really shortly thereafter. Yes. Hopefully, when you say it wasn't edited, ho..."
Andreessen explains his approach to outlining before writing, which may surprise those who expect passionate writers to dive straight into their work. He emphasizes the importance of organizing thoughts to enhance clarity and effectiveness in communication.
"Well you're your best when you're a little bit of a rage. I think, I think, I, I believe that's the case. Yes. Like I feel that. I, I feel that. Yes. A little bit of energy. Yes, exactly. Yes. No, a l..."
Discussing the creation of his catchphrase 'It's time to build,' Andreessen highlights the need for simplicity and punchiness in messaging. He connects this to his marketing background and the necessity of breaking through the noise in a media-saturated world.
"And so I try to put it all down. And then I just, and then I try to have that be in some sort of sensible order. And then did you start with it's time to build or was that an emergent property as a ca..."
Andreessen shares insights on how he integrates reading and conversations into his daily life. He discusses the value of engaging with interesting people and the role of audio content in his learning process, emphasizing the importance of continuous knowledge acquisition.
"So tell me about this reading all day, talking all day, where do you fit that in? Because I was looking at your calendar, at least the one that you published most recently. Yeah, like 30 minutes for r..."
In this segment, Andreessen discusses the impact of technology on his consumption of audio content, particularly audiobooks and podcasts. He highlights how advancements like AirPods have transformed his ability to learn and absorb information throughout the day.
"What's your podcast? To audiobook ratio. So it goes back and forth If I'm going down the rabbit hole on something that I'm, that I'm kind of hoovering up podcasts and YouTube interviews. And, and then..."
Andreessen explains his strategy for curating information, focusing on current and timeless content. He shares his approach to filtering out less relevant material and prioritizing conversations with experts and engaging with up-to-date topics.
"that, I can really go deep on it. Do you have a sense for the kinds of books that you like doing on audio books versus when you're actually reading them? Or are you fairly indifferent to the trade off..."
Andreessen reflects on the dynamics of group chats and their role in modern communication. He discusses the benefits of constant ambient communication and how group chats can foster deeper connections and discussions among participants.
"I'm either listening to like a book on usually history or biography or something like that. Or some new demand that I'm trying to learn, or I'm like, up to the minute, here's what's happening in AI to..."
In this segment, Andreessen explores the challenges of maintaining effective group dynamics in chats. He discusses the importance of selecting the right participants to ensure productive conversations and the potential pitfalls of group polarization.
"in which every discussion could happen fully in public. Um, and you know, and actually I, you know, I went through my own transformation on this, along with a lot of people. So where Quran would have ..."
Andreessen concludes with a reflection on his drive to be prolific and creative. He connects this to the underlying rage that fuels his writing and the importance of harnessing that energy to produce impactful content.
"best people together? Yeah. Well, so I think that's part of it. And then I maybe put an orthogonal thing on it also, which is, um, there, there is this well known sort of concept of group polarization..."
Andreessen reflects on the challenges of being a public intellectual while representing a firm. He shares his calibration process for engaging in public discourse, balancing personal expression with professional responsibilities, and the importance of choosing the right platforms for communication.
"You know, it's funny if I take like a meta view, uh, Yeah. Yeah. The last 10 years of reading your writing, I find this, like this stutteriness between this deep drive that you have to be prolific and..."
Marc Andreessen recounts the genesis of his famous phrase 'software is eating the world,' highlighting the context of the 2008 financial crisis and the technological advancements that inspired his thoughts. He discusses the frustration that drove him to articulate a more optimistic view of the tech industry's potential.
"process, for example. So the current arrangement that I have with my partners who love me and I respect them enormously, uh, for helping me with this, um, you know, I, I'm not like an active tweeter, ..."
Andreessen contrasts the publication of his op-ed in the Wall Street Journal with his later work 'It's Time to Build,' which he published on his own platform. He reflects on the changing media landscape and the need for independent voices in tech discourse.
"Um, was that was the, that was sort of in the aftermath of the 2008 crash. And, you know, we, we had just started the firm and we're working with all these companies and we're looking around and it's ..."
In this segment, Andreessen explains the origins of the tweetstorm, describing it as a response to the limitations of Twitter's character count. He shares his motivations for using this format and the initial reactions he received from the public.
"um, and it was actually a catalyzing moment for me, which is it was because, you know, I, like everybody else, I had tracked the sort of rising hostility on the part of the kind of mainstream press to..."
Andreessen discusses the resurgence of various literary forms, such as essays and poetry, in the context of the internet. He draws parallels between historical literary trends and modern communication methods, emphasizing how the internet serves as a meta medium for all forms of expression.
"that's, that's what they're there for. There are certain like just atomic units of media that just seem to recur over and over in history. Yeah. And it's funny cause they go in and out of fashion, rig..."
Marc Andreessen shares the reasons for starting his personal blog, citing frustration with the abundance of bad startup advice. He aims to provide valuable insights based on his extensive experience in the tech industry.
"know, primary means of communication. What was the motivation behind your personal blog? It was the same thing. I was like, I had a lot to say. Well, actually a lot, a lot of that. Okay. Frustration. ..."
Andreessen reflects on his experiences with lateral thinkers like Venkatesh Rao, Balaji Srinivasan, and Peter Thiel. He discusses how their unique perspectives challenge conventional thinking and enhance his own problem-solving abilities.
"to write some of this stuff down. What'd you learn from having Venkatesh Rao around? Breaking Smart is so good. Breaking Smart. He was our first and only philosopher in residence. Uh, which is actuall..."
In this segment, Andreessen explores the idea of integrating large language models (LLMs) into organizational decision-making processes. He questions why organizations aren't utilizing AI tools to enhance discussions and decision-making, suggesting that the future may see AI as a collaborative partner in writing and problem-solving.
"why people don't do more. It's the group. It may be a good idea. It's the group dynamic thing. It's like, okay, now you've got more people in the room. Fine, then have three of them. I know, but like,..."
Marc Andreessen articulates his view that writing software is akin to creating a literary work. He draws parallels between coding and writing novels, emphasizing the creative aspects of software development. This segment delves into the unique blend of creativity and structure involved in programming, highlighting how software can be seen as a form of artistic expression.
"of a single instance of anybody doing that. They all could be doing that today. Yeah. You know, actually voice, voice recognition is getting really good and what they call disambiguation is getting re..."
Andreessen discusses the evolution of coding interfaces, particularly the shift towards AI-assisted programming. He explains how modern coding tools are transforming the way programmers interact with code, allowing for real-time feedback and collaboration between humans and machines. This segment underscores the future of programming as a partnership between human creativity and AI efficiency.
"that has ever shipped in the history of the world has bugs. Right. Move fast and break things is not what you want to do for the Brooklyn Bridge. Exactly right. So it's not civil engineering. It's not..."
In this insightful segment, Andreessen reflects on how his background in software engineering influences his writing. He argues that the structured nature of coding informs his approach to writing, leading to clearer and more logical arguments. This discussion highlights the interconnectedness of technical skills and creative writing, suggesting that the future of writing may increasingly involve collaboration with AI.
"of higher level abstractions. Um, that let the programmer basically become more productive. And now you've got a giant change happening in real time, which is the new coding, the old coding interface ..."
Marc shares his personal journey of learning to code at a young age, illustrating the impact of early exposure to technology on his career. He recounts how he taught himself coding from a book before owning a computer, emphasizing the importance of self-directed learning and curiosity in the tech field. This segment serves as an inspiration for aspiring coders and writers alike.
"of outlines, um, it's because code effectively takes the form of an outline. Did you teach yourself to go to learn the code? I taught myself to code. I taught myself to code out of a book before I own..."
In a reflective moment, Andreessen reveals a pivotal encounter with acclaimed writer David Milch, who encouraged him to explore fiction writing. This segment captures the tension between Andreessen's desire for privacy and his ambition to create impactful narratives, suggesting a potential future endeavor in fiction that draws from his extensive experiences in tech.
"So what's the binding constraint on you writing more? Don't tell me time because that, no, no, no, no, I'm telling you, actually, that's not true. Okay. Because you wrote software's eating the world r..."
Marc introduces the concept of a 'Romanticlef,' a fictional narrative based on real-life events and experiences. He discusses his desire to weave his unique experiences in the tech industry into a fictional story, highlighting the creative potential of blending autobiography with fiction. This segment showcases Andreessen's ambition to explore storytelling in a new and innovative way.
"living, he's one of the best living fiction writers. Um, and I spent the day with him and, um, and he, at the end of the day, he's, he, he gave me one of those looks. Um, and he's like, you should be ..."
In this concluding segment, Andreessen emphasizes the significance of writing in shaping ideas and influencing organizational dynamics. He discusses how the ability to articulate thoughts in writing can elevate individuals within a company, underscoring the transformative power of written communication in both personal and professional contexts.
"Exactly. Well, this is funny because this picks up on one of the paradoxes that I've noticed about you. Which is, on one hand, an intense privacy, and on another hand, a desire to be prolific and in p..."
Marc Andreessen discusses the significance of writing within organizations, emphasizing that the person who documents ideas holds considerable influence. He highlights how writing can clarify complex issues and opportunities, and how those who take the initiative to write often stand out in their careers.
"you know, it's just like every say, it's just like, you know, we, we now intersect in every area of human life and all the big issues that people are worried about. Two things. One quick comment. Some..."
Andreessen elaborates on the importance of well-written communication, noting that a well-crafted email is more likely to be read. He encourages individuals to be proactive in writing and summarizing discussions, as this skill can elevate their status within a company.
"that once in a while. So that's like an internal version of the essays. Tell me more about your actual writing there. Do you have a process for that, that's similar as you're writing, take a different..."
In this segment, Andreessen reflects on the paradox of the internet: while it's easier than ever to write, the abundance of poorly written content is overwhelming. He questions why high-quality writing isn't more prevalent despite the tools available for content creation.
"is the kind of thing where I feel like everybody knows this and yet nobody, very few people actually act on it, or maybe people don't know it, which is like, the person who writes down the thing has t..."
Andreessen discusses the historical context of writing and how the ease of digital content creation has led to a saturation of low-quality material. He expresses a desire for a renaissance of high-quality writing that matches the capabilities of modern tools.
"is low status. I think if I, yeah, if I were, I don't know if I had this in my career planning or not, but yeah, this is part of my standard reviews to part of my standard advice to kids, which is jus..."
In a light-hearted moment, Andreessen explains the choice of blue for hyperlinks, revealing the technical limitations of early web design. He shares insights into the aesthetic decisions made during the creation of web browsers and how they influenced user experience.
"entire lives in every genre. So the other side of it is like. Where's all the good stuff? Yeah. Like where are the, where are the, you know, super genius, brainiac authors, screenwriters, novelists wh..."
Andreessen addresses the stagnation in the quality of online comment sections, discussing the need for systems that promote quality discourse. He highlights successful models like Reddit and YouTube, suggesting that AI could enhance comment moderation.
"What's your read on why there's been such stagnation in the quality of comment sections? At this point, you're asking very fundamental questions about human nature. You sort of invented the internet. ..."
Reflecting on a missed opportunity in web development, Andreessen shares the concept of an annotation layer for web pages that would allow users to add commentary directly on content. He discusses the challenges of implementing such a feature and its potential impact on online discourse.
"the bad stuff, the missing feature that doesn't exist on the web that we almost got in, but didn't weren't able to get in. So the missing feature was going to be a writing, a writing layer, the commen..."
Andreessen observes a significant shift in online writing, noting how political discussions have become central to internet discourse. He reflects on how this change has transformed the nature of online interactions and the role of the internet in political engagement.
"there is a on earth too. Um, there are, there's an, there's, there's an entirely different writing environment. How has. Online writing morphed in a way that's different from what you would have expec..."
In this segment, Andreessen shares his reading habits, emphasizing that while he primarily reads for content, he appreciates outstanding writing style when he encounters it. He discusses the impact of stylistic quality on his reading experience and the rarity of exceptional prose.
"believe it was happening when it was happening just because I was so used to the older model. Do you ever read for style or do you only read for content? Um, in practice, I would say I only read for c..."
Andreessen introduces James Ellroy, whom he considers one of the greatest living American novelists. He praises Ellroy's ability to weave historical narratives into crime fiction, highlighting the depth and detail of his work, particularly in 'LA Confidential' and 'Perfidia.'
"is a lot more common artists, right? Like there are at the top of their game, right? Like there are just certain people who are at the top of their game. What, uh, James Elroy. Who's that? James Elroy..."
In this segment, Andreessen contrasts the speculative nature of science fiction with the factual intensity of real history. He reflects on how historical events, both good and bad, shape human behavior and decision-making. Andreessen argues that understanding the past is crucial for writers, as it provides a rich tapestry of experiences that can inform their narratives.
"into like an incredible, like a, just like complete like paranoia, II. Um, and so that was the, you know, that was their origination of like the Japanese. That was when the Japanese internment camp pr..."
Marc Andreessen explores how various substances, such as alcohol and caffeine, have historically influenced culture and creativity. He discusses the transition from alcohol to coffee and tea in England, linking it to the Enlightenment and the rise of financial markets. This segment delves into the broader implications of how substances shape societal interactions and intellectual discourse.
"decisions. Another good thing that David Milch doesn't do along these lines is like everybody's drunk all the time. Right. And, and it's, and if you go back, it's actually been worked on on this. It t..."
In this thought-provoking segment, Andreessen examines the impact of different drugs on writing and creativity. He references historical figures like Hunter S. Thompson and discusses how substances can alter judgment and influence creative output. This conversation highlights the complex relationship between drug use and artistic expression, raising questions about the effects of modern substances on today's writers.
"And so the classic example of this was the cutover, actually started I think in England, the cutover from alcohol to tea and then coffee. Caffeine was like, basically that was the catalytic event. The..."
Andreessen shares his preference for green tea as a source of caffeine, explaining how it provides a steady energy boost without the jitters associated with coffee. He discusses the importance of finding the right balance of stimulation for writing, emphasizing how personal preferences can shape one's creative process. This segment offers insights into the rituals that support effective writing.
"ever seen Hunter S. Thompson's daily routine? Yes, exactly. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. It's crazy. It's like wake up at three 15, you know, drink, have whiskey, snort cocaine. And he just, and ..."
In this segment, Andreessen describes his home office setup, emphasizing the importance of books and music in his writing environment. He discusses his unique approach to organizing books and how the ambiance of his workspace contributes to his creativity. This conversation provides a glimpse into the personal habits and preferences that foster a productive writing atmosphere.
"continuous. So how many of these do you have a day? I don't know. All the time. Oh really? Yeah. Nice. Tell me about your office. It seems like you love this place. And the funniest thing about it is ..."
Marc Andreessen shares his perspective on the relationship between physical activity and creativity. He contrasts his own experience with that of friends who find inspiration in walking meetings. This segment raises interesting questions about how different individuals engage with their creative processes and the varying influences of movement on thought.
"called Future Garage. Uh, or low or low five. So like trying to get music that is like the right level of interest in this where it gets the buzzing part of the brain to be stable but is not distracti..."
In this insightful segment, Andreessen reflects on the writing process of his partner, Ben Horowitz. He discusses Horowitz's background in a literary family and how it shaped his approach to writing. This conversation highlights the importance of mentorship and the influence of familial legacy on one's creative journey.
"think we could learn from your partner, Ben, about writing? Oh, so he's an actual, unlike, he's an actual successful A real writer here. He's an actual successful Professional writer. Okay. So now we ..."
Andreessen humorously refers to himself as the 'Kanye of blog post writers' while discussing his current writing project, a manifesto. He shares his struggles with deadlines and the high standards he sets for his work. This segment captures the tension between creativity and productivity, illustrating the challenges writers face in balancing quality with timeliness.
"done the whole arc. Um, and so Ben's, Ben's, Ben's reaction to that has been in two forms. One is Ben is as non political as you can possibly get. Uh, Ben's conclusion from watching his father is stay..."
In this segment, Andreessen outlines his approach to writing a significant piece on technology's role in society. He emphasizes the importance of understanding existing arguments and engaging with them thoughtfully. This conversation sheds light on the complexities of writing about technology and the necessity of thorough research and critical thinking.
"be good. So I took that as a compliment. What would your writing be missing right now? Oh, so for this one, for this one, I'm trying to have it, this one's, this one is like, this one's like, this one..."
Andreessen provides a behind-the-scenes look at his writing process for a major project. He discusses the importance of outlining, organizing thoughts, and the decision to forgo citations in favor of a more fluid narrative. This segment offers valuable insights into the practical aspects of writing and the personal choices that shape a writer's style.
"skipping it or not paying attention to it. So, walk me through the process of how you thought about writing a big piece. Well, it's not done yet, so. Yeah. So, this one is, uh, yeah, so this is the bi..."
Marc shares his motivations for seeking feedback on his writing, including the desire for praise and clarity. He discusses the importance of understanding how his work might provoke reactions and the need for effective communication. This segment reveals the complexities of receiving critique and the balance between intention and audience perception.
"it, it, It was sort of political, um, except references like the glory of war in there and things like that. But, you know, he, of course, had no way to predict, you know, again, it's like 1910 or 191..."
Andreessen explores the potential of combining manifestos with short films in the digital age. He discusses how technology enables rapid content creation and the possibility of using generative AI to produce visual representations of written ideas. This segment highlights the evolving landscape of media and the opportunities for creative expression.
"going for. Like, I'm not, I'm not trying to be like an objective observer. You know, I'm not trying to be the sort of, you know, 30, 000 foot observer of things that are happening. I'm trying to like,..."
In this segment, Marc discusses his strategy for curating his Twitter feed to stay informed. He shares insights on following and blocking users based on their tweets, emphasizing the importance of engaging with insightful voices. This approach reflects his desire to maintain a balanced information environment amidst the noise of social media.
"do pretty well. Well, and again, it's the circulation of mediums over time, like short films have always been a thing, but they're not. Have you ever been to a film festival where they do short films?..."
Marc Andreessen reveals the origin of his screen name 'Pmarca,' which he adopted during his college years. He explains the humorous context behind it, reflecting on how it implied a sense of importance. This light-hearted anecdote provides a glimpse into his personality and the playful nature of online identities.
"those people. So I mean, I say Twitter is the most wonderful and horrible thing in the world, right? Like, and, and, you know, everybody always talks about how horrible it is, but it's equally wonderf..."