"the following is a conversation with michael malus his second time on the podcast he's an anarchist political thinker podcaster and author he wrote dear reader which is a book on north korea and the n..."

"mostly i come to these conversations with an open mind and with love unfortunately that kind of approach can be taken advantage of in many ways it can be used by reporters or just people online later ..."

"be kind and do difficult things difficult conversations difficult research projects and difficult entrepreneurial adventures if you enjoy this thing subscribe on youtube review it on apple podcast fol..."

"turn down the tv you got to sit quiet never hope they go away this is you don't throw that back to the netherlands you know this it's triggered who's there i can't even do it now knock knock who's the..."

"about olive knock-knock who's there olive i love you alex i love you well there's a lot to to explain where do you start i've been on his show in for worse a few times when i was researching my book t..."

"possible because that seems to be it somehow hits the hardest then i don't know i don't know you didn't intend it that way but with alex jones to sit there and to say i love you that was like that i j..."

"i think because um i am kind of an agent of chaos and alex is in his own way an agent of chaos and what is provides an opportunity in this kind of news media space that you and i travel in it's the ki..."

"far so like okay so i immediately knew now this isn't a knock on tim but i don't even know if tim was prepared tim was not prepared for this call how could he be prepared well so i i mean i don't know..."

"to provide fun and something cool and something unique that hasn't been done before for the audience i think this has been a very rough year on our audiences psychologically and in other aspects of th..."

"dresses like this i go good if you judge someone's ideas by how they appear instead of the ideas themselves you're not someone i want on my team are we going to address the outfit you're wearing we ca..."

"was a very rough period because that's the window where a lot of people get married and they kind of check out and if you're very much kind of finding your own road you don't know what's happening no ..."

"meal you know chicken kiev you need the chicken you need the ham you need the butter sauce um because i think people when you're young you need to see someone who's fought the fight for you and who's ..."

"where's the where's the worry thing here's the word coin anyway i wasn't listening what were you worried about 10 years ago 10 years ago 2010 what would i have been worried about then the government n..."

"do you think it's possible to be on the new york times bestseller list and be a reputable author and still be self-published not what you would want to do like people like marxist and i think is his n..."

"uh that work with people i just i don't know anything about this world but you get like netflix folks who who help with shows you could tell that they're obsessed with those shows yeah well yeah you'r..."

"you're going to start interfering with other people's lives you really uh better be sure you know what you're talking about the control of others if you do have centralized control or any kind of you ..."

"staff he's putting in it's the same warmongers that would have advised him to get into the iraq war on the first time that is to me is not a good guy that to me is someone who does not feel remorse fo..."

"with chomsky he said like if you're it chops chopsticks whole idea was that like if you're really eloquent speaker that means your ideas aren't that good that's nonsense yeah so i think that's a way f..."

"hey michael hey is it that you don't have to say hey michael you just say knock knock no it's not knock knock okay what did the volcano say to his true love what i love you [Laughter]"

"[Laughter] i uh these jokes look better when you know how to speak english i it was actually in russian i i did google translate okay back to your book in the suffering you uh you somehow turned it po..."

"that's a picture of the good guys winning oh yeah well how does that connect to sisyphus and uh maybe to speak deeper to [Music] life and the whatever the hell this thing is which is what i remember t..."

"but if you're like all right i've got my board i'm going to see where this takes me surfing from what i understand is a pretty fun activity and also sometimes dangerous but you'd have to ask chelsea a..."

"1937 1938 so that's really funny that you asked that because currently how the book is structured it's like you know books often follow a three-act structure right so act three is the eighties act one..."

"is trump derangement syndrome yes so they you know forced the starvation in its entire population and they it's not only that it's like they knew if you weren't starving by looking at you that you wer..."

"delusional or ignorant yeah i i would say just as a small aside that's why reading as i'm almost done with uh the rise and fall of the third reich oh yeah is uh it it's uh refreshes the resets the pal..."

"like you know targeting jews very much so i don't know if you see those as two separate things i think they're very interconnected but i think if you look at it everyone thinks that they'd be the ones..."

"trained by corporate media to have completely vapid uninteresting banal ideas and yet regard ourselves as revolutionaries you know their people who still in new york will take pride because they have ..."

"intellectual discourse what i mean but if you were to try to be on stage with the jordan peterson like to me the brave thing now like it would be to argue for communism it'd be interesting to see not ..."

"oh let me talk you want to talk about janet rankin who's one of my favorite people so jeanette rankin was the first woman elected to congress she was elected before uh women's suffrage was massive con..."

"also funny someone on my twitter when i talked about her goes maybe she had hitler's sympathies like yeah ms rankin was a big fan of hitler that's what you figured it out guys do you think there's an ..."

"for being my friend this is you gotta do it like this okay all right yeah okay now back to hitler do you think hitler could have been uh stopped we kind of talked about it a little bit in terms of how..."

"gave orders that the communists who had a pretty sizable population the rex dog that their target shouldn't be the nazis but the the liberals and the social democrats and they invented the term social..."

"what do you make of churchill then like why was churchill able to rally the british people why was he uh like do you give much credit to churchill for being one of the great forces in stopping hitler ..."

"facade i i really hate the idea of hindsight and everything being 2020 and i think it's a very good idea generally i'm seeking generally not in this specific instance to give our ancestors more credit..."

"have to think about that right i can very easily see him in the room being very calm and charming and then you think okay the guy with the speeches is the act and he's putting on a show for his people..."

"find a lot of figures in history fascinating both good and bad and the figures just as you said that are with us today like vladimir putin like donald trump like barack obama it's difficult to place t..."

"press not the reporting you can just see that here's a man who's able to display a charisma that's not like i can see that's why i love joe rogan is like you could tell the guy is genuine and there's ..."

"is that the leader goes among the people and does what he called field guidance so he will go in that farm and be like this is what you need to do and he'll go here and he's so smart he's good at ever..."

"or the things he'll point out will be things that are completely obvious so here's another example they use in north korea they have something called the tower of the juicy idea which is an obelisk wh..."

"because i presented at face value people sometimes say the book's a satire it's not a satire i downplayed all this stuff it's a farce here's another example north korea is very big and i think russia ..."

"i'm quite confident that those funfair engineers are in a position to ride modest mouse wherever it's called by themselves and be like yeah okay this is good for the kids uh although to be fair some o..."

"that is like you can hire a lot of experts right you can be an extremely good manager and since everything's dynamic it's not gonna they're not gonna have the data to kind of manage it well it seems t..."

"a bunch of people i asked i asked uh i said that i'm talking to you and a bunch of people asked questions oh we gotta hear from the plebs you asked me before we start recording i specifically said no ..."

"if you find uh uh michael interesting or if you just want to go and say why he's wrong it's a great place to have that discussion for that i assure you uh yeah a lot of really kind people so anyway th..."

"do you think is the role of humor in all of this a joke is like a baby you can't dissect it and then put it back together and expect it to work trust me on this one despite no matter how you carve tha..."

"fatty so he's not going hungry anytime soon um so it's very bizarre to me when people feel comfortable precluding others from making jokes especially and i think this is a very jewish thing like this ..."

"say that uh you know i've read that comedy is about timing first of all do you agree and second of all no i'm serious it's not just that you're saying yes it's funny okay isn't it comedy's tragedy plu..."

"oh you were talking to me yes that's through the screen so when you so you think about me when you're with a with another man i watch it when you're sleeping okay so you're a dangle song you're really..."

"a ping pong match or something whereas in writing it's you're losing the tone you're losing the relationship of a dynamic conversation um and a lot of times the joke is just giving a different type of..."

"really nice because it has a dual pouch technology to keep your man parts separate they've also got women's stuff but i don't know how that works yeah there's a thing worth going somewhere and the mat..."

"when i say stuff out in the wild like to other humans like spoken [Laughter] spoken word is like you can't delete what you just said and i often regret the things i say like in in on the spot like i s..."

"voice cracks every time i make a joke you're not consistent i can't do this you're telling me i'm editing i'm gonna i can't delete that joke okay it's not even a joke robots building robots that'll on..."

"there's i think a highlight and my mom actually wrote to me about this which is joshua thank you i think i like hey dom that's when it's important well i said your mom wrote to you that's that's the s..."

"lots of people who people want me to have on my show and the way i look at it is like you have a table and a tablecloth right and let's suppose the table is a three feet wide the tablecloth is two fee..."

"him and i asked him on the show and he decided not to for various reasons very politely he's like just politics is so bad right now i don't want to talk about it and i respect that for him if i am in ..."

"or the other well you do a really good job with that like ben shapiro does a good job with that too which is you can have multiple you can have a trolley side a humorous side where you tear down the p..."

"who who are we getting um i would uh you have to give away one of your i'll probably get one with my brother so how many brothers do you have well just one okay too many what i want to be an only chil..."

"just small bugs you are welcome that's the uh that's the name of the show thank you for having me a couple of times it's it's great to sort of get him to in this loose way to talk about different kind..."

"uh like milo not annopolis sorry i forgot my milo whatever his name is yeah which is really nice to see that he's a genuine person who's thoughtful he doesn't mean to but he just cares carelessly seem..."

"yeah i just disagree with that because for example i'm one i am one person that he turned off okay by his carelessness and i think i should be a good target i i should be saying i think that's fair an..."

"better than you can yeah this is this is good i'm taking notes i talked to eric weinstein after you guys talked about me on your show when i was weinstein we had a good conversation he invited me on h..."

"coming from i think he's very very bright but you have a very you have a different audience than i do and you're going for something different than i am no no like in my in just a sense of you wouldn'..."

"so i spoke to yaran brook about objectivism and iron rand he uh he kind of argued he highlighted difference between capitalism and anarchism as around the topic of violence and the that having governm..."

"against anarchism or inevitably description of the stratus quo so the argument is under anarchism you know you'd have warlords you know killing people and then you'd have uh you know whoever's stronge..."

"for but but there is a thing that's fundamentally different than all the other things but joran brooke also said that no government has ever this is on your show has ever worked in the way he's propos..."

"that it can exist let's talk about objective law to have access to the legal system which is something we want even just in terms of selling disputes when you have a government monopoly it's going to ..."

"idea i bet you don't have an idea what i'm sure of is that system has been worked out ahead of time between the three countries and it's been worked out in such a way that you and i don't have to rein..."

"for sure that if something there's a point i'm trying to make so let's say for sure it's been worked out there is a there was a point in history where it wasn't worked out like to to to work to come t..."

"philosophy markets have something what they always talk about as being creatively destructive which means you look at something that's been happening for a very long time every generation every innova..."

"right now where if you look at a bar full of drunken young males full of testosterone if you look at a hotel where everyone is not native to the area those are both far safer than the places that the ..."

"like initially you might not have enough stability to where you can choose one place over the other versus based on the security that they provide we already have different types of security here beca..."

"deck let's go by evidence how many places do we have evidence of that there you can have at a large scale well that's absolutely a large scale because it feels like once you don't know the person what..."

"customers okay all this is brilliant but didn't you just say that we are actually in a state of anarchism relative to other countries yes so isn't this what emerges this is this is what aren't we actu..."

"from their perspective worth fighting for so when she attacks um which she advocates for the self she basically means self-development self-improvement and achievement so i think that word choice is r..."

"increasing an exponential rate um i do not have a number of supporters supporters uh i think the claim that this can only be accomplished through violence is false it's a lie uh just like any divorce ..."

"perspectives do you want have an nhs or do you have one of a market-based healthcare system you can make very valid arguments for both there's no reason for everyone to be under one but you you think ..."

"yeah i don't know enough history to to wonder about like how the civil war could have been avoided well that's how is uh well conversation so like no no if they want to secede say look here's what we'..."

"what do you think 2024 looks like uh in terms of the candidates and it's going to be kamal harris as the democratic candidate uh i'm really looking forward to ted cruz versus mike pence because they'r..."

"and i think mitch mcconnell there's a sadistic side to him he revels in being the brakes on the car uh and i think the base it's just gonna be throwing just they're gonna want some bone it's like oh y..."

"want to live in a country bro yeah but do you want to live in a country where joe rogan is regarded as an example of someone who's spreading white supremacy i don't well but see i feel like that's not..."

"sure but they can solve them differently and compete that way massively a great example yeah now we're seeing that right now different countries have different mass mandates and things like this and u..."

"controller in the soviet union and he said they would often see these things that were not um operating the way we knew vehicles operate so that's good enough for me so i mean do you think government ..."

"yeah and the interesting thing is there doesn't seem to be for certain psychedelics like psilocybin like mushrooms there doesn't seem to be a lethal dose which is fascinating like matthew johnson the ..."

"what is love what do you think this thing is uh like uh our attachment to other human beings"

"when i was working with dl hughley in his book he didn't use the term but he was describing like low-key depression and he talked about how he was in the airport and he noticed a girl had a red dress ..."

"that's really rare well from a russian perspective you just don't give them another choice [Laughter] for uh this is new year new year's eve uh so you talked about the session and the world burning do..."

"i'm happy all the time and one of the points i made in my life is like i really hated i really did not like to give advice because i feel don't give advice until you know you're talking about and to m..."

"well what are you most grateful for for our conversation today you're stealing my debt what am i most grateful for i am very grateful that i can come in here not knowing what we're going to talk about..."