Robert Martin (aka Uncle Bob) is a programming pioneer and bestselling author of Clean Code. We discuss the prospect of automating programming, spotting and developing coding talent, occupational licensing, quotas, and the elusive sense of style.

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0:00 Automating programming
8:40 Educating programmers (expertise, talent, university)
21:45 Spotting talent
26:10 Teaching kids
29:31 Prose and music sense in coding
32:22 Occupational licensing for programmers
35:49 Why is tech political
39:28 Quotas
42:29 Advice to 20 yr old