"Uh, hey guys. I'm Nahal. Welcome to the human unicorn podcast. Uh, where I'm extremely lucky to interview folks and friends uh, building at their peak potential. [Music]"

"[Music] Uh, speaking of peaks um, I just came back from a little ski trip. Um, do you ski or snowboard? board. Have you ever skied or not? Yeah I started when I was young skiing. Yeah we learned on th..."

"Um, you board or you ski? I I'm a much better skier. Um, and by better, I mean I can probably I can go down anything right? We're we're fearless as founders and entrepreneurs. Um, my form just blows...."

"know, uh born in Cali, raised in Coney Island, Brooklyn, parents split when I was super young, which for me actually became a defining thing in my life because my father was not present in my life. Um..."

"sort of debate a little bit cynically and pjoratively to my west coast partners mindfulness and meditation and all the stuff which is good for the individual is terrible for society because you want l..."

"inside of them keeps burning. I love that. So, I had that for a variety of reasons. Y father wasn't present. grew up no money, mom was a school teacher full of you know absolute sacrifice and commitme..."

"at Grand Army Plaza. Um it was a like a like a gold brown color and then we had a a dark blue silvery kind of What are you driving now? So So it's funny because my wife is is also she's successful and..."

"And a guy calls me. He's like "Congratulations. Remember, gray beautiful car." He's like "Congratulations on your black Bronco Raptor." I'm like, "It's great." He's like "Yeah, yeah, your wife said yo..."

"see entrepreneurs people that have that hustle that grit and like just like that hard charging thing that's energy you want to channel not you know deter. Mhm. So I ended up meeting this guy um betwee..."

"Mhm. But um there were a bunch of sort of random circumstances like that. I end up graduating. I go into investment banking against Alma Smith Barney and um I'm in real estate and lodging. It wasn't t..."

"probability high magnitude possibilities and this was one. So we decided we're going to start a venture for me and a guy Peter Abear who was at Lehman Brothers. I knew him from from he went to Syracus..."

"billions of dollars and again randomness and optionality. We go down to Washington DC where Carlile was situated and they were notable because they had a lot of luminaries from government and defense ..."

"building at Lux. Incredible. So Bill was one of your first breaks. Yes. Yeah. That's amazing. And and to this day, you know, this is like now 25 years later. I just texted him 2 days ago just thinking..."

"And what's total AUM? And five and a half. Yeah. Five and a half total. AUM. Incredible. Started from Start from the bottom. Now you're here. Start from the bottom. Yeah. Beautiful. Um, and by the way..."

"ENIAC. I remember our very first break. Um, you had Bill Conway with a guy named Jim Jim Palada. I know. And it was on uh I remember the day before my birthday April 21st, 2010. We were just thinking ..."

"were at Balthazar call it brunch brunch at Balthazar in Soho and Trey is I think one of the highest EQ partners at Founders Fund. Everybody there is brilliant and we do a lot of deals with them and we..."

"investors. It's amazing. It's the hottest uh probably one of the hottest companies today, I So, um you can't even get a secondary. Yeah, it's it's it's crazy. Congrats. Um what um what happens to huma..."

"even if you go back to like ATMs, you know, there's study from uh David Aur at MIT who was like the advent of ATMs did not kill bank tellers. People thought it would. There's more bank tellers today t..."

"doing incredible special effects before you needed these crazy Hollywood studio packages, now with your iPhone and some basic stuff on like, you know, um your your Apple, you can do that. Same thing w..."

"on you. The flip side of that is I sort of visually imagine this as like a Marvel superhero with these uh polygons like attaching to you and sort of form fitting like a like a like a uniform. And if I..."

"new architecture of the way that I think AI is going to be connecting people that is a little bit crazy. Yeah, that's awesome. It's a whole new kind of information economy in the sense of everybody ha..."

"knows how to use Chachi PT. He knows how to use MidJourney. He can conjure images. It's a way to express creativity that he doesn't have to be able to draw. Last night he's like, "Dad, can I use Sunno..."

"and, they're, going to, be, advantaged, over the kids who aren't. Yeah. And being a competitive person and wanting competitive kids, it's a language they got to learn. Now, you started uh this convers..."

"like Steve Jobs, you know, celebrated by the world. Hundreds of millions of people love him. What a shitty father. But the people that were closest to him and I don't know this, I just know from repor..."

"Right. So even with my own father I have a civil relationship because I don't want to have any regrets. he passes like we've set our peace and and all that. So for me being a very present father, they..."

"can remind them of this and we do things where they experience the contrast. We'll go to soup kitchens and we'll volunteer. And there are these very emotional moments where they're like "Holy shit." L..."

"it now is is spending uh more quality time with quality people. And it's just those environments where you know you're you're at a location with somebody, you just you put your phone away and you're j..."

"a very young age. But I agree with you on the connecting with people. Nothing wrong with quality time with quality people. Right. And that second qualify I think is important because the number one th..."

"here's a money question for you. Uh why are you on this planet? I I don't know. I I I mean like I'm very biological, evolutionary literal about this. I'm on this planet because my mother and my father..."

"uh how often and what every day everything I'm I'm obsessive competitive and and again um it's not some virtuous thing of like I want to be well read and knowledgeable it's like if you know something ..."

"interestingly I used to almost always read non-fiction science books technology books biographies because I thought it was really practical and whatever my wife actually got me first with a book calle..."

"that. And I think when you really think about what our job is, believing in entrepreneurs, but also deciding if you're going to believe and whether they're full of or they're just naive and ambitious ..."

"the rest of my life. you and Lauren. Um, you know, as as we mentioned, we we married up. Um, we are there, you know unpaid interns in the in the household. Um, how do you guys make it work? We both ca..."

"and trust and share our values. And I see all these people that are getting divorced and marriage is breaking and terrible decisions that he or she made. And I just, you know, I think we have the righ..."