"You're CTO of Meta. You  are a co-CEO of Salesforce,   you're chairman of the board at OpenAI. How do  you think the AI market is going to play out? The whole market is going to go towards agents.  I ..."

"They gave me another shot to do the V2  of it that resulted in Google Maps. We   got about 10 million people  using it on the first day. What mindset contributed to you being  successful in such a var..."

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"Bret, thank you so much for being  here and welcome to the podcast. Thanks for having me. My pleasure. There's so much that I want to  talk about. You've done so many incredible   things over the cour..."

"I ended up with a very large group, 100 under  me and I was essentially running our platform   and mobile groups, products, design engineering. So I went from a handful of reports to, I don't   know, ..."

"in the broadest sets of the words saying, "What  is the most impactful thing I can do today?" And   really thinking almost like, if you had an  external board of advisors telling you what   are the th..."

"Yeah. My biggest takeaway from this, which  is this question of what is the most   impactful thing I could do today? Such a powerful  heuristic just to keep in mind. To your point,   you may realize y..."

"And so, I think one of the things I've observed  with first time founders in particular is you're   often a single issue voter based on your skillset. So if you're a great engineer, the answer to   al..."

"they'll lie to themselves more often than  not. And it's a very challenging question   to answer. The question's interesting. Being able  to answer it accurately is actually the hard part. This feels ..."

"Any heuristics or advice for people to  know whose advice to listen to? What do   you pay attention to when you're like, okay,  ignore this person but listen to this person? Yeah, that one's tough. It..."

"I think one is, it does come down to good  judgment, I think. I don't know how to teach that.  I'm a huge believer in good judgment. It's  one of the things I hire for. I just think   that's something..."

"I am sure it's changed a lot since I left in  2012, but we made a system so designers had   to show their newsfeed designs with real  newsfeed data that was messy rather than   anything artificial bec..."

"idea that you shouldn't study these disciplines,  it's like people say, I don't want to study math   because I'm not going to use it in my career for  X. Well, studying maths is quite important. It   ..."

"operating systems and time-sharing systems from  the invention of things like Unix at Bell Labs and   Berkeley, you ended up with the C programming  language, Fortran and a lot of higher level   progr..."

"just because it's one of the most inefficient  programming languages of all time. If you know   the global interpreter lock and just slow. And  I've written a lot of high-scale web services and   it's..."

"And so, the question is how do you enable humans  to have as much leverage as possible? Which means   using computers to do the work on your behalf. You  could have obviously the simplest form of this..."

"I feel like we're definitely living in the  future when someone like you is suggesting   that we build a matrix like experience and  that's going to be potentially the future   of coding and building...."

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"agency and I think that's very exciting. I'm  hopeful that there's a 11-year-old right now   who's going to start a really amazing company  10 years from now whose ChatGPT is going to   be their prima..."

"I'm going to zoom out and let's talk about  business strategy AI. One of the biggest questions   a lot of founders think about these days is just  where should I build? What will foundational model   ..."

"a return on the investment for a model that  deteriorates in value so quickly. So, I think   that's going to end up probably no entrepreneur  should build a frontier model. That's my take. Unless you'..."

"and others, but there's a lot of others that were  obviated by technology from the infrastructure   providers themselves. So those companies probably  are the most at risk for a developer day from one..."

"market for them will be probably less technical. If you think about the purest form of software as   a service, it's not like you ask what database  do you use? It's really about the feature and   fun..."

"other two markets. I'm particularly excited as  building agents becomes easier, to see a lot of   long tail agent companies come out. I was looking  at a website for the top 50 software companies in  ..."

"So if an AI agent can take that call and solve  it, that is in the industry often called a call   deflection or a containment. And that essentially  means you saved, call it $15 because you didn't   h..."

"popular particularly in the infrastructure  space is closer to it. But I'm not sure a   token is actually a good measure of value from AI  either. I always use the analogy, like right now,   most of t..."

"We've been chatting a little  bit about productivity gains.   There's a lot of skepticism in the headlines  these days of just like what is AI actually   doing? Is it actually helping people be more  ..."

"the AI is actually very effective. Just think  about it this way, if you produce an AI agent   that's right 90% of the time, that's not that  great, but how hard would it be to make another   AI agent..."

"And so, for customers using platforms like Sierra,  yeah, AI agents aren't perfect, but we're creating   a system that lets customers create a virtuous  cycle of improvement. If you want to go from a ..."

"Got it. That is very cool. I hadn't heard of  people doing that, model context protocol,   makes sense. We've talked about productivity gains  outside TX. Just to give you a chance to share   how amaz..."

"do so with really high customer satisfaction  scores. That Weight Watchers agent, I believe   has a customer satisfaction score of 4.6 out  of five, which is pretty amazing. And what's   interesting a..."

"Yeah, go ahead. What are two or three books that you find  yourself recommending most to other people? I don't read a lot of nonfiction, but probably  if I had to pick one in the area of the topics   ..."

"expectations for folks that  joined that famous newspaper- That ad. That newspaper ad. I don't know if  that's true. It's remarkable if that's true. Oh, it might not be true. I don't know. The interne..."

"I think that's the first time someone's  actually mentioned Cursor in this answer,   so might be the beginning of a trend. Michael  Trell was on the podcast and he actually   had a very similar messag..."

"life motto that you often come back  to and find useful in work or in life? The best way to predict the future is to  invent it, which I think I attribute to Alan   Kay of Xerox PARC. He invented a lo..."

"I feel like many people say this, I  feel like you've actually done this   so many times. You're really living this  motto. Final question. We talked about you   inventing the like button at FriendFee..."

"Wow. I've never heard the story  before. It makes me think about   LinkedIn now. They're basically trying  to solve that same problem. They have   all these auto-reply pill tag things. I  don't think ..."