"you just wrote a new book called job moves that I have right here what's kind of just the big idea behind this book the moment you stop making progress in your career is the moment you start looking f..."

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"that was kind of the the premise of this was I've been asking Founders for like 15 years like what are the top three things that you really you know you need if you could wave a magic wand and solve w..."

"kind of all the little insights that I've learned along the way I was going to say that you've there's a high bar you have to hit for people to uh for this to be more impactful than jobs to be done I ..."

"you do these interviews is the first thing they say well tell me about your new job they go like oh my God I got so lucky they just attributed it all to luck and and and ultimately luck is is when opp..."

"which is how attributes work through time and space and so ultimately you want people to realize like it's not just about the money it's about kind of like is the money actually do they give you more ..."

"team that's got my back I want to I want to feel like I'm doing my best work I want to make sure that I can uh free up time so I can carry my weight at home there's these other things that you pull fo..."

"really good at and what I like to do and so ultimately you you kind of you go into a position you you get a promotion you end up moving to a place where you like you can see where it's there but it's ..."

"beginning of the question I was about to ask which is why this is so important so why why does someone need to spend time understanding what is pulling them to to get out to leave so it it's so Val so..."

"of imp impact in it because if I don't have enough context I don't have enough pushes I can I can complain about my job but I'll never make the switch so how many people say they want a new job but th..."

"what does progress mean to you so we have to talk about the plls which are these things that happen to you that the outcomes that you're actually seeking by going to this job and it's not more money l..."

"which is to go back through your career and even back to college I've taken people back to high school and basically talk about those moments where you got energy like you walked into a situation and ..."

"some help remembering and what I've learned is that like I can interview somebody about tell so tell me about this last job tell me about one of the greatest moments you had at that job right and you ..."

"you literally like enjoyed the moment or two and they're like yeah I have a couple of those and you started to write them down and then you say right well tell me the things that really suck your ener..."

"requirements to basically be to to be able to make progress that resonates what are some examples of drains and energizers that you've come across often for people just for people to like have a littl..."

"not get along but he's my best friend and and and ultimately the fact is we trust each other enough so he knows what not to give me and when something comes on my plate that he knows that is really ha..."

"attention in your day-to-day life about what like just reflect on the day and say where did I get energy today and where where did my energy get drained will just help you start to articulate those th..."

"other part is like I I look at the industry and they've tried to automate the the the resumés which is like it's all the stuff you did it's not the stuff you want to do and then you end up matching it..."

"awesome people and that's a great uh foreshadowing of that I wanted to double down on the importance of this uh discussion of finding energy drivers and drains because going back to the the first ques..."

"you and so it's this notion of again action as opposed to most features are static and so what does it actually do for you and what happens through time is that title will wear down over time and so i..."

"want to come back to somebody looking for a job so they they either got let go they left a job they hated and they found some new what are just some tactics you suggest based on this framework to help..."

"else and the reality is is if you're really good at the things you're good at they're used in a lot of other places and so you'd think boy if I'm in finance or I'm in marketing in in a in a Financial ..."

"could help people you know be a teacher and do and it turns out the that geoc cordinator is just like a travel agent it literally it's all pre-programmed and everything else and she's like oh I'm out ..."

"product you talk to potential customers of this thing and understand what problems they have and understand a fit because here's the thing is job descriptions should really be here's the context we're..."

"think of it as like a compass and so these quests help you understand am I going north am I going south am I going east am I going west do I need control do I need alignment do I need to get out do I ..."

"the boxes so what are you willing to give up to get and so like I was coaching somebody a while ago who basically was an entrepreneur and he he was at uh one company and he had been there for five yea..."

"can't go like oh God I should get more money it's like this is how it is and this is a choice you made live with it and now like but but put a time frame on it and so it's these tradeoffs that are rea..."

"like for me I actually pay people I pay them fairly well but I know they can make more money elsewhere and ultimately I want I want them to be attracted to go so if they need more money they should go..."

"controversial about that like if you're a cool company that everyone wants to work at like people will pay will take less salary because of the experience they're going to get and the potential and th..."

"one I feel like that's one of the biggest uh most stressful elements of job search is deciding okay I have these job offers I have one job offer should I wait should I not you talked about how there's..."

"make trade-offs and what I've learned is that I turned 60 this year and the more I actually get comfortable with making tradeoffs the fact is is the the more satisfied I become and so part of this is ..."

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"schema. that's on schema. so you said you interviewed a thousand people over the 50 over 15 years to develop this book and this approach when people make tradeoffs is there just like a istic of this i..."

"job four years and so you have to realize like it's not it's not like you know at least our parents were at least my parents my parents had live work for one one company their entire life and so you s..."

"jobic was is I had I done three startups and then I started a small private Equity Firm around 2000 I ended up uh uh raising some money but the fact is is the the internet Bubble Burst and so it was a..."

"because it the industry was so I was applying all these very advanced concepts to building homes and we We Grew From you know a 100 homes to 400 homes in three years and so it's this aspect of it was ..."

"where you could spend a little time to re uh visit what you're trying to do in life yeah reflect uh take a step back if you're finding that you want to take if your request is I need to take the next ..."

"step here amazing okay and then the final quest is you want to get back into alignment with what you want to accomplish in your life and your values and all that and so what you want to focus on there..."

"this figured out here's what I want to index towards in the next role this prototyping step comes in which is figure out potential jobs that meet these requirements and go interview people that are do..."

"people go like yeah I applied for this job and they came back with a better job for me right and and so part of it is is this notion is they're used to everybody trying to tell them that they can do e..."

"what I love is you're you could have you could be thinking why am I spending 15 20 30 40 hours preparing for this interview but in reality you're doing it to First figure out what you want to do and w..."

"just coming at it from a really different perspective and like like I said this isn't for everybody but the reality is like this is one of those things where you you need to take responsibility for yo..."

"realize when you when you find a job you want you interview people who have those jobs and you say what was on your resume and you can figure out kind of what to say on it because at some point it's a..."

"side it's a side uh uh gig it's crazy a resume writer so how so they help they're basically professional coaches on helping you craft your resume is that that so so it can get so it can get through th..."

"the interview or the resumés but it's not actually helping you find job fit that's the thing that's really frustrated I wonder how soon someone in the resume has like a chat GPT command like forget al..."

"template I don't know if you have it in your head I have it in front of me but what can you share about why it's important to have a story and then advice for crafting the story this actually comes fr..."

"blank every day blank then one day blank because of that blank because of that blank until finally and ever since that day BL and and and and to be honest like I I realized like the very short hand of..."

"from people like switching from Chipotle to McDonald's or from from you know being a lawyer to being a judge like like the the it was just so many different people and these patterns just emerg from t..."

"better and every time you have an argument it gets better and the moment that they try to make me better at Harmony the reality is is like you actually strip away my superpower of actually being able ..."

"superpower and so it's that kind of thinking you know yeah I am a huge advocate of strength finders and just this idea of not trying to solve your weaknesses and over focusing on becoming different wh..."

"affiliate codes yeah uh the other story I'll quickly tell is we talked about the power of finding what energizes you and drains you when I was on this journey post leaving that company that was my num..."

"anymore yeah that makes sense okay I want to go in a slightly different direction we've been talking mostly from the perspective of someone looking for a job or someone wanting to maybe leave their jo..."

"figure out how to actually reshape the job to fit that person and you start to realize like that that's really kind of the key to think about it and and what I would tell you is the other thing is to ..."

"way we we write job descriptions help us with the way in which we do um uh performance reviews like ultimately if that we've got to align our the company's progress with their prog R because if they d..."

"is experiences essentially going back to very first question back to experiences and features like you're asking for features of people five years experience you've got a MBA you those are all feature..."

"so important and so this is where I I think a lot of this comes from is to realize like I was supposed to be a baggage handler or a construction worker and my mom basically had told me as like you kno..."

"maybe yeah I I I think that I whenever I meet somebody with a disability and they talk about the disability I I quickly go like what's your super ability like tell me what it is because it's always so..."

"reason I didn't build it for this reason but um there was a point in November where I was just overwhelmed I was literally like come on like this like this is not what I want to do this is like like i..."

"kind of stay on track and it's it's it's a it's just a really cool tool to do that and so I've I have a couple of colleagues who are doing it as well and it's it's just it's interesting how they reali..."

"to do this because I I know the people I know your audience I know what to do but talking about HR to HR people is kind of like scary to me I don't I don't think they would be happy with what you've s..."

"let you know where is and you can attach it to it okay got it um before we get to like where to buy the book and all these things is there anything else Bob that you wanted to share or you think is va..."