"model agnostic which I think is a is a very interesting aspect of that and that's something that the labs would not be able to do. Uh if you think about buying your product and your tokens uh at the s..."

">> I'm Stan. Uh I was lucky to join Stripe pretty early. Spent five years there. That was an aqua year when we joined Stripe and then at the end of those five years got interested in into AI. uh I'm n..."

">> and so you decided to build something uh on top of the labs. So you started dust can you tell us more about what dust is? >> Yeah sure obviously we live in a world where the definition of the compa..."

">> So you spend a lot of time thinking about work and how work is going to evolve. So if you're right in how you're thinking about it today, what do you think is going to happen like two to three year..."

">> Yeah, I'm I'm a bit of a Samman. I mean, he said that at some point. I think I I I I relate to that. I mean if you think about about our great grandparents um walk was mostly physical or great grea..."

"convinced that walk would be uh incredibly disrupted by the technology and I think that's something where we were deeply right and I think we're starting to be right only now at the at a three years u..."

">> Yeah. So, uh, I want to make sure we talk about the elephant in the room, which is OpenAI and Anthropic are giants. They move fast, they innovate, and you're working right alongside like right next..."

"competing for that. There's a lot of convergence in the uh in the product space. I think in that in that in in that aspect and there'll be some different sensibilities in the way you build that bubble..."

">> Yeah, that makes sense. So when I think about these giants and what they do to the ecosystem of startup um they impact them in many ways. One of them is the funding markets. Uh, and there is a risk..."

"go back to the being in the shadow of French labs but before because you talked about fundraising I want to talk about this because one of the things that when I talk about dust one of the things I sa..."

"into that uh kind of role of CEO of European lab with all its imperfection uh the fact that they managed to build a company that is valued 12 billion is extremely uh recommendable is extremely impress..."

">> Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. you talked about uh your series be uh maybe more challenging because you're building in France and it's true like I knew you from your San Francisco days. So you knew ..."

">> Yes. So so being verticalized great advantage in terms of go to market being verticalized made a ton of sense because the models were not that good and so you had to build a little bit of scaffoldi..."

">> Uh margins are tough in those days. Tough very tough. Uh >> so and maybe the question is so you know when you're a lab you're uh capturing the margin at the token level and then you build a product..."

">> That makes sense. We're at time. I'll still ask you one last question because as I said you're very wise. So what is there any last word of wisdom that you want to share with this crowd? describe b..."