"Founders pay attention to what Ben just told us about his journey first off he reviewed 80 000 products fake products that are complicated they'll have to start stripping that back to be an interface ..."

"well hello everyone it's Jim O'Shaughnessy with yet another edition of infinite Loops I have been really looking forward to my next guest Now spoiler alert I had talked to Ben quite a bit about his vi..."

"yeah well I think I just saw stuff happening where other people were using AI I mean the first real experience of the magic of it was actually mid-journey using the Discord and using their imagine pro..."

"so Molly backstory is I always wanted to be some hot shot CEO and that has changed over the years but that's what I wanted to be always and I couldn't code I still can't I just refused to believe that..."

"that's a really cool color palette like where'd you design that and things like that so I'd really try and get the conversation at a very low bar so I was there for I think just over two years when Jo..."

"of funding and then in March 2021 we were acquired by zapier so zapier is where I currently were and I'm launching this newsletter it's on a little side project that it's just really fun for me like I..."

"longer-winded story than I could but yeah that's the whole story now so what I love about that Ben is Founders pay attention to what Ben just told us about his journey it's it is filled with excellent..."

"in Founders in general we do a lot of investing in seed stage and a series a route companies but then the other thing is you know and I'm gonna always be pitching my own book here the open nature of h..."

"products that I tried and used and actually still used to this day there's one called card which is c a double r d dot Co that's a really simple one-page website builder that I use for almost anything..."

"I love that as a heuristic for like looking further right so if you find a product that is just so slick that you yourself use it continually always like to think you know if I like this there's proba..."

"most and then I want to talk a bit about AI adoption and your thoughts on that but of all of these long time subscribers so I know what's in there you're a great curator by the way which ones are like..."

"seeing products built on top of any of these AI models sometimes they'll make you require an API key before you go in and thinking well that's a drop-off point for a lot of people already you're going..."

"use I still remember I got one of the first iPhones right and habit made me look for the directions right and I'm like they this is they sent me a flawed thing here because I don't have the the user's..."

"vastly smarter it's going to relieve you of tedious boring tasks and I was reading about the Industrial Revolution and if we just kind of collapse it right you can make this statement that over that p..."

"but you know well I'm a huge science fiction nerd love science fiction read all the classics Etc but the downside is science fiction set us up for Terminator Thanks James Cameron Cameron do you hear t..."

"back and think well we used to drive these big metal machines at each other at 70 miles an hour is that really what we used to do of course anything on a long enough time scale that stuff will happen ..."

"and that's where people come from it's that sort of fear but when it comes I don't think it will be oh I wish AI wasn't doing all this stuff for me I think it's just going to be like your little AI he..."

"doing I think it will just alleviate lose about stuff when you're always constantly copying from this piece to this place or you're going on these tabs to do certain things over and over again consumi..."

"useful tool for humans to kind of join the exponential age as it were with without a lot of fuss and bother right and I love it because it complies with complex adaptive systems with AI certainly is m..."

"stuff that I love to see is that it doesn't need like the requirement or having investment is not because you have to make this product look and work in this wonderful way because you can do that with..."

"inspiration together so I I'd love to do more of the eso you would I think they're sort of just really inspirational to see those people building stuff out of nothing really they just sort of think th..."

"five and I do what the boss says and I believe that era actually ended a while ago but it took kind of the pandemic to accelerate those trends like working from home for example or working from anywhe..."

"because that's how change happens right it almost never I mean the classic example would be the old Soviet Union's Five-Year Plan uh it was all a joke everyone knew it was a joke and like they would p..."

"last do you have any recommendations for like I don't know whether you do this or not I didn't ask you actually when we had our chat before recording do you get inquiries quite a bit from startups tha..."

"put it in the hands users without asking them like people will tell you if they hate something they definitely will tell you if they hate something and they will definitely tell you if they love somet..."

"much and in comes the curator right and it the curation is a skill because you have to have taste and you have to decide yeah no I you know if I put this garbage program whatever it happens to be in B..."

"where kind of magic happens in my opinion one thing I always add into that though is I think we should also build all sorts of synthetic Minds who think very differently than we think and you can use ..."

"is not AI at all but it's a great example it's 3M which of course has the sticky note right God knows how many billions of those they've sold that was a mistake yeah the scientist was looking for a gl..."

"example when radio came people truly believed that it killed Birds because of these mysterious waves that were killing the poor birds and of course the charlatans and hucksters of the world killed a b..."

"by the way it will have to continually evolve because the Deep fakes will get better but one of the other things that we're going to do is we're going to give it away for free and because we feel quit..."

"was interesting about your last point is think of how many times we do something just because that's how our parents do it our friends do it or that's just right we're told if we look at and I think i..."

"an agreement with the nation of Malawi where we are responsible for educating the third of their school kids and we took a first principles attitude just like you mentioned there and it's considerably..."

"I just am like so chuffed about is hopefully as we see these different methods and we see them being embraced say on education by the young kids well guess what we're going to be able to come up with ..."

"they spend it on smartphones and they spend it on smartphones because of the multiple uses that they can put that device to so I'm a huge believer in loving just what is the market telling us right an..."

"seriously and if you doubt that look at the Old Eastern Bloc countries like Estonia for example and look at how much more advanced they are in taxation in policy in ownership in LP in everything becau..."

"govern it work out a solution that people will accept because you certainly don't want to have a situation where if you do a poll of Brits or you do a poll of members or you know the people who live i..."

"just say because that's the way we've always done it anymore what what will happen because of the flow because of the ability of people to use all of these new tools people are just going to say all r..."

"playing around and like finding interesting things whatever I'll be doing that is where I'll enjoy my time so I'll give you a compliment here I'm a big fan of taoism and one of the things about taoism..."

"what's the point just sitting here looking at it and going oh it's going to take everything away what a awful future we've got is that really that's not really what's going to happen is it I may as we..."

"right with Ben's bites so at the end of each of these podcasts I can never believe how quickly an hour 25 minutes goes by I always ask my my guests we're gonna we're gonna make you and you could take ..."