"the following is a conversation between me and michael malus michael is an author anarchist and simpleton and i'm proud to call him my friend he makes me smile he makes me think and he makes me wonder..."

"hello comrade let's miss it so animal farm by george orwell is one of my favorite books it's an allegory about at least i think about the soviet union and the russian revolution of 1917 so for people ..."

"and i think it is important for those of us it takes a lot more courage to fight the right from the right or to fight the left from the left because in a sense a lot of your countrymen or your fellow ..."

"know deserves huge accolades in that regard i brought her up and we were talking about with our conversation with iran or well i think you don't need me to explain what he has done and continues to do..."

"example of heroism this was on twitter and i really feel bad that i don't remember the guy's name uh this was the line to auschwitz i believe it was and you know there's the nazi guards keeping everyo..."

"your every man becomes a coward but also what bravery is there for me to write an essay for the guardian to say i don't vote there's no consequences to me there's no possibility of consequences to me ..."

"triumph can we stick on the camus absurdism versus existentialism sure what do you think is the difference in your ideas about uh anarchism too it seems like those are somehow intricately connected be..."

"if someone is weak am i using that as an opportunity to exploit them or to harm them or do i feel a bit of sympathy or empathy for this person because maybe they didn't have circumstances that were yo..."

"you and that god wants you to be happy he wants you to live to the fullest in a moral way i remember the first time i went into a church and they were asking questions about the jewish concept the aft..."

"i think cynicism is the lie it's not just the worldview it's a lie that happiness is not possible in this earth or it's only happy possible if you sell your soul and you're like a bad person you screw..."

"saying a drug addict approaches to pray but they're basically their worldviews if it's unless it's dark and twisted it doesn't really count as art and i i despise that mindset that subtext so the inte..."

"inherent benevolence might be you know maybe wordy but i think that's more accurate because you know you and i did not have such easy lives growing up to put it mildly you constantly talk about um jus..."

"thought you were going to stay out of the war um um this is something that is very intensely emotional for me because you and i are both russian jewish so to know that my grandparents and my great-gra..."

"and often in not just a bullet to the head in sadistic ways is something that um to know that people who share my blood uh saw and went through is very hard for me to kind of um uh wrap my head around..."

"matter how much you it's like a let me put in terms people understand you know what i mean it's like your first bad breakup right like that's a much simpler thing to wrap your head around because it's..."

"a book i read called uh uh five chimneys i think this woman who was an auschwitz survivor and what she talked about what people don't appreciate it's not necessarily the slaughter and the torture it's..."

"choice they would kill us on site and be proud of themselves for it yeah they're i don't know what to make of the contrast that you you were talking about the fact that you've been truly happy the las..."

"of that kind of ancestry to kind of speak on behalf of these people because it's very different how just people just naturally react when you have a westerner talking about this instead of becoming th..."

"bad and none of us can even appreciate how bad it is and i think now there is an understanding other than a few people who are just looking through a trump lens and wanting trump to fail because trump..."

"human nature from looking at north korea and looking at how the rest of the world is looking at north korea uh i i always this is a great question i think about it fairly often and i always say human ..."

"and that is something as soviets you and i are very painfully aware of it it's not just about the oppression which as bad enough as it is it's that mediocre person with that little bit of power and no..."

"but the different countries in the second world the soviet bloc some are more liberal than others some were more sane than others and chauchesko at first was one of the you know more western friendly ..."

"of this whole country and everyone's taught to regard him as one of the great geniuses of all time and it's this the idea this mediocre nobody this guy would have in any other culture been accomplishe..."

"taking a risk to uh rebel against mediocrity yeah like in in the most simplest of ways like the the license address like taking a risk to break the little bit of rule that nobody will know about to ta..."

"conformity out of the mediocrity so this is where you and i disagree i i think most a lot of people do are not capable of that they're accustomed to it i don't know if they're not capable i i i unders..."

"something's wrong here he was given his orders he's following his orders and to me that is not uncommon and that person although they look like you and i uh there's something essentially human missing..."

"realistic uh and i but at the same time i feel like an octopus on the eighth hand it is those few of us or if you want to include me in this who do make these tiny little protests who look the other w..."

"both do so and to derive a lot of meaning from it then it's a discussion about how to create societies that get more and more people to be free actors and free thinkers that's that's the question and ..."

"because he knew there's nothing he could do he knew he 100 did the wrong thing he knew he did the wrong thing unthinkingly like you can imagine you know i got to screw over this lady to feed my family..."

"if you're gonna start going personal if you're gonna start being aggressive against an individual i'm not going to necessarily hold back when i reciprocate and it's something that is very common on so..."

"it i i do something similar sometimes which is i'll have some innocuous comment about like bubble gum i mean just it's not even political and a lot of times people it's a few people will respond to th..."

"uh how you know how um hard it is for a lot of people to grow up how they're trained from their parents or the single parent that the only way they're gonna get attention is by acting out that when th..."

"holding on to that idea that happiness and thriving are possible even when in the moment it's uh everything's going the wrong way doesn't every moment have the capacity to uh fill you with joy then ye..."

"i mean by love because oftentimes like romantic love is what people think about when they think love but to me it's all like part of the same thing and it's almost like love romantic love or love with..."

"what do you hope to get out of it but what do you think you will feel uh a lot of things first of all i'm going with my buddy chris williamson he hosts the modern wisdom podcast he is one of my closes..."

"of fun although to be fair as you know i'm an underwear model now as well so yeah yeah we're going to talk that in a second maybe but um yeah thunderbird.com yeah uh this episode is brought to you by ..."

"it's going to be an issue because i speak russian and not ukrainian and to speak russian to ukrainians is like a big deal so that's going to be a concern i'm also worried about going to russia because..."

"lennon's body like this is the guy who emma goldman yelled at it's gonna be really um because i've worked so much in this space jarring and intense and emotional and that's as intense as for me sittin..."

"the anarchist handbook.com is the website it covers from the 1790s to i think my essay is the last one from 2014 which uh a friend of mine who's uh kind of a mediocre scientist is going to be reading ..."

"contrasting thinkers in there so one is uh leo tolstoy oh yeah who um i think not many people know is uh an anarchist yes uh a christian and a christian anarchist yeah so he uh came to despise governm..."

"and to say screw you you should get beaten that's a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow so i think he was really and gandhi of course as well were excellent in that regard there's a little bit of..."

"sending a dog on her what kind of person am i for some of those people they're gonna be like okay i can't be a part of this i don't even understand the politics i still am racist but i'm not going to ..."

"exactly do you think that's ultimately a good way to implement anarchy in your personal life anarchy implementing anarchy in your personal life just means uh respecting people's boundaries it means uh..."

"this person right is this out of character if you and i got into a disagreement all of a sudden you started getting very personal first i'd be very hurt yeah but then i'd be like this is out of charac..."

"question of uh how we figure out this puzzle of human complexities in order to form voluntary collectives like we have to figure that out how to make people feel good how to make people i agree that's..."

"that that is the basis of anarchism so in what way is the united states imposing by force something on you do you think uh if you leave your house you will go to jail uh 40 of my money being taken fro..."

"form of payment like it uh if it was done much better if you could pay this collective that we call government in ways where you could pay for things that you care for so much your money would be much..."

"taxation on the other hand is by fiat i can decide it's fair that you lex have to pay 40 and joe has to pay 45 joe and lex are in no position to be like this price is too high that not only is that mo..."

"that's a hypothesis no that's very likely no well that's not this i can demonstrate this to you very easily i love it when you get flustered this is this is what this is what people like it's so cute ..."

"believe it can get keep getting better uh as it gets smaller and leverages companies more and more but you're saying no no government is fundamentally as an idea gets in the way of companies that shou..."

"to operate large organizations like you you see this with cryptocurrency there's governance you have to make difficult decisions there's a block size wars for bitcoin sure so you will there is a votin..."

"i i'm much more comfortable with saying you need a safety net for freedom then you need one for entrepreneurs the beauty of markets is with your startup if you have a startup and it completely fails t..."

"where food is much cheaper where shelter to some extent is uh more available when medical care people we're so oblivious to how bad things were that we see things are bad now so we assume that they we..."

"could easily see making the argument for that one even though i think very clearly private charity would be more efficient and distributed more effectively but i at that point i don't really care abou..."

"the best version of government that i imagine so okay what a great endorsement why i see them as the same i think a lot of this is just terminology i have no problem saying that i'm using the word ana..."

"uh like your basic summary is uh let me see if pressed the simplest explanation i have for refusing to vote is this i don't vote for the same exact reasons that i don't take communion no matter how ad..."

"has the power to deliver what he promised is not true whereas if i have brexit if i say i want britain to be remain part of the european union to say yes or no question that makes a lot more sense to ..."

"and then then uh you'll stop tweeting so uh aggressively and to decriminalize things that don't hurt people drugs crimes drugs especially prostitution is a big one if there's and this is me talking mr..."

"yeah i have um i mean there's an essay in there called by alexander burkman who is emma goldman's partner crime on crime on prisons and crime and this is leftism at its best for getting the person who..."

"nothing to do with republican or democrat that george w bush was i i coke head back in the day he talks about overcoming his addiction and i'm glad that he did more power to him but just to have this ..."

"you are you know killing someone with the family you're making your if you're gonna shoot someone they're probably gonna retaliate twice as hard violence sings its own song and this is a very dangerou..."

"you have no opportunity for either uh productive work or creative work so uh that i think the valorization of kind of the lowest of the low is something i find very admirable there's a quote of hers w..."

"is there somebody you left out from the book that you thought about leaving in like uh some interesting figures yeah there there's a couple so um chomsky would have been one of course because he's a y..."

"the ones is there some people that you think uh the public would be surprised to learn that they are at least in part anarchists like i saw that howard zinn is supposed to be an anarchist i mean is th..."

"a b at least bears strong questioning sure and i mean i i guess there's a lot of groups like the libertarians for example sure have some element of that oh sure for sure of harsh questioning of the wa..."

"or why do you moving both to austin and away from new york this was one of the both i hate it when people talk like this but i'm gonna do it anyway this was one of the hardest and easiest decisions of..."

"completely oblivious to the rest of the country so for a long time the argument was new york versus l.a right for certain types of people and they would say la's cheaper in terms of rent so new york l..."

"is rental this is rental well you didn't realize this i thought you bought this no no no it was a rent to hawk why i thought you bought it no it's rental well i really value freedom so who are you tal..."

"opportunities that come by you've actually brought this up to because i i said i really enjoyed the conversation with you and euron yeah like you talking to you and somebody else yeah i think you make..."

"that i get to get on a mic and run my mouth and for some people some reason people like this so i know what it's like to have a good convo and i know what it's like to have a bad convo so before i'll ..."

"try to do as uh much as possible i had an episode of my show a couple of weeks ago and someone who's been a friend of mine for a long time and someone i admire a lot elizabeth spyers she was the found..."

"feel that my job is to make the host look good and make the host not feel like it's work and the audience really likes that because instead of it being an interview or intense it is a conversation nin..."

"back and there was great humor there you're both a bit of trolls and yeah in very different ways but nevertheless that connection the humor and the mutual respect and love that was all there yeah yeah..."

"and i'm like all right i'm in a unique position because alex i i met alex well that's not true but i was on alex with alex on tim pool a couple of times it was mayhem it was anarchy and i'm like all r..."

"the clown aspect out of him which is easy to caricature him uh my friend ethan supply who i'm sure people know played a basically character based on him in the hunt because eric alex is kind of this c..."

"have that term in the zeitgeist because then i don't have to explain or defend it's like only lunatics are going to look further on this do you really want to be a lunatic kid and that takes care of t..."

"certainly maybe the the ones completing the shadow maybe are but the ones who are in the public face most certainly are not as social media has demonstrated when you look at how senators and harvard p..."

"uh there's not that much what i'm at a point in my life is once you cross off certain things you basically instead of driving the car start surfing and just amazing i talked to you about this medical ..."

"i'm gonna look at the camera be kind to yourself because a lot of you deserve it thanks for listening to this conversation with michael malus and thank you to gala games indeed betterhelp and mastercl..."