"Yacht, welcome to the Network State podcast. I'm glad to have you here. >> Thank you for having me. It's a great honor to be here and excited about our conversation. >> Awesome. And for those people w..."

">> Very very impressive. So you know one thing that actually I think makes it even more impressive is [clears throat] um gaming has always seemed to me to be very hard and here's my understanding as t..."

"movie has special effects. It does, but not necessarily, right? A good game is actually based on the content. And frankly, one of the big um I guess um misnomers is that >> they treat it like a movie...."

"Final Fantasy, um, teen or what have you. I don't know what number they're on, 16 or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. >> Probably 30 at this point, but >> it's like it's like a solid 80 hours of like ..."

"is about retention of the social network underpinning the game >> correct >> okay that gives that gives a good thesis okay >> and but then what happens is that uh you start off by creating a following..."

">> Right. And so that's something embedded in us for decades. But if you're a new franchise, you really have to understand how to utilize the power of these social networks and how to basically sort o..."

"[clears throat] like this. Tik Tok came up like that. Um >> but if you look at for instance on YouTube, is it YouTube or is it the content that you experience on YouTube that actually gave you that im..."

"whether it's whatever um so so to build a brand is the feeling >> um that it evokes in you and maybe an example I can put is like um you know do you remember like what's your favorite childhood food s..."

"I don't know how familiar you are thinking about sort of you know Jung's archetypes right >> yeah okay right um and the reason why people talk about archetypes this way is and why those used in storyt..."

"whatever. Yeah. So, um, but the if if they have the attention to detail to have a good ad that gets your attention, then they probably have the attention to detail on the physical product itself. Now,..."

"instance where in China you know China was not a good luxury market in the beginning because you know everyone was just basically surviving right and then actually when the market improved and the mid..."

"aren't monitoring as much that's like the shoe that hasn't dropped like the ABC of right okay I uh there's drones it's a major one and more generally robotics and self-driving humanoids that's all rea..."

"think we're on on the end of it by I mean 20 years is a long time but like 20 30 years from now I think digital borders and physical borders will coincide. Oh, like I think it's kind of happened in a ..."

"didn't exist you know prior to the you know 30th parallel 37th parallel sure right but but Now it does. >> And when I say Americans, I mean the United States more than say including Canadians or but b..."

"the internet went vertical. So the internet disrupted blue America right around 2010. Okay. At the same time in a different theater of this giant social war here you see China disrupting uh US manufac..."

">> and the expertise that have built over time. Yes. >> Yeah. There's like 1.4 24 billion Chinese people and 77 million magazine's exported to every country in the world and China has the insane price..."

"like, you know, after a workout and somebody's on a plane and someone's in the desert and so on and so forth. Just that alone is an interesting premise for for like a maybe a short clip. Maybe I shoul..."

"least externally from the lens being in Hong Kong and by extension China as well uh that we view neither Democrat or Republicans as being pro-China. Like that that sounds that sounds to me as you know..."

"restrictions in the borders, right? >> No, but I'm saying like see Rhode Island pulls over New Yorkers to keep the virus at bay, right? Yeah. So, the point being that basically >> did the virus corres..."

"these are two people at like the New York Fed, right? And it says the Fed decided to buy >> 1.25 trillion in mortgage back bonds. So this is the connection between currency and assets because you prin..."

"And this is the um GDP of that county. This is a poor county down here and a rich county up here, right? Okay. >> So, and the blues are Democrat voting counties and the reds are Republican voting coun..."

"its bridges and becoming so successful that the US was you know there's rising sun there's all this anti-Japanese >> and then the US government actually did kill the Japanese economy with the plaza ac..."

">> and you don't think tech America will try to save America because I do think there's a degree of [clears throat] >> so because because >> they already just did they they just did and actually Elon ..."

"account of, you know, freedom and so on, but really I I think the the undertone was really around choking off essentially ideally one of China's main financial strongholds, which is Hong Kong, >> righ..."

"So there there's obviously some huge success there for you know a billion people. There are manufacturing power. Other countries that complain about overp production. >> You can't like it's something ..."

"like 1.4 billion Chinese people are very smart and they're really clever and they work around all kinds of things you know the mountains are high emperors far away. very very clever especially souther..."

"right And um the interpretation of what quote interferes in China's internal affairs rises as Chinese tra just absolutely dominates and there's not just a Chinese chair or a desk or a table but it's a..."

"revolution and with you know Miles purges and so on China continued to rise in terms of economics. It wasn't that the miracle of China just happened in the Deng Xiaoing came in and just happened in th..."

"whole like Apple you know like vertically integrated where you've got the great firewall, the Chinese language apps, you've got the party state and you've got the people and the 5,000 years of you kno..."

"in the middle of social war. So things are moving very fast. It's like you know world borders stay static and then in a war they move fluidly very quickly. So we're kind of like that. But in 2020 1988..."

"[laughter] okay why Jordan Peterson gave advice to young men to kind of clean your room so on so forth and that was like the old culture where In western culture, hard work was valued and you're a val..."

"selfish and some elements are problematic but by and large most people want to be helpful and kind and supportive and we need to you know be involved in a way where we support that construct but not b..."

"basically, right? The none of them are arrested. The police lighting cars on fire. Obviously, that can lead to I mean, the reason fire is bad is it spreads, right? So this is look at this these these ..."

"know what, take care of yourself, you know, right? So that's like if they're not going to be praised for stopping bad guys, let the bad guy, you know, go go take care of yourself, idiots, you know, th..."

"going to win this war in Ukraine. Who the heck knows? It's going on for years and years and years. Okay. So >> um or or he loses or it's some crazy stalemate that's been going on for way longer than a..."

"free internet but to make the case for that um and I'll give the case for the free internet in a second but to make the case for that that concept of digital borders as opposed to censorship is an int..."

"we completely cut off any contact with our Russian customers. You can't do that with China. Too big, too important, and too necessary. There's a US military study uh by entity called Gavini that showe..."

">> absolutely agree this and that's why I think these cloud communities can have leaders that can materialize in the physical world and now people are once again geographically and ideologically align..."

">> it wasn't like that before though >> it wasn't like before so so but the torch got passed and think of it as like software versus hardware, right? The software are the values and the hardware is th..."