"I think the thing that keeps you grounded is just absolutely knowing that money will not solve your problems. And that's a good thing for for startups as well, like early stage startups. Like we shoul..."

"insane. Uh please welcome Paul Kersonson. Great to have you with us. Uh I really uh love this tools as you know and so it's kind of like having the chance to uh ask you questions. It's always great. U..."

"for the first two? >> Just blew it on uh yeah having great parties. No, I think like the I don't know is this recorded? I was going to say something much more vulgar, but just >> Oh, go for it. >> No...."

">> I didn't realize that so when you launched Superbase in 2020 you were act you had been working on that for 2 years as a side project >> not like I wasn't sure I knew I wanted to do a dev tools comp..."

">> Yeah, we we did some positioning. So after I wrote that real time engine uh and put it on hack news, I thought that was the thing. Oh, everyone thought real time was cool on top of Postgress. So, I..."

">> Yes. Yes, we were. Although it took us about a year and a half to start earning our first dollar, but we knew that databases were super interesting because they're incredibly difficult to get a moa..."

"there's >> that a risky choice. >> Yeah, there's a few models that you can run if you run open source which is like a a license where you might put some of it behind a flag and you got to pay or enter..."

">> So, uh nobody wanted to use you during your batch. How long did that take you to win the trust of developers? >> Um, >> and you like Firebase was still in the equation, right? People were still usi..."

">> I've always been impressed by uh the community behind Superbase and like how you got them to follow you like the developer experience created like how do you think about these things? >> Yeah. Well..."

"that like the AI uh shift here. It feels like everything we've discussed so far is kind of the first life of the company and now you have like a second life that was kind of triggered by all of these ..."

">> So the superbase for platform is a product created because of the success with loable and >> bolt. Exactly. We we kept iterating. It was pretty close to where we were and we kept iterating on it an..."

">> Yeah. So then Christmas um we came back from Christmas and everything was going up and to the right again um and accelerating which is crazy cuz I think by that stage we're at maybe 6 and a half mi..."

">> That's incredible. What does that mean for like we're speaking of developer experience. Um, what does that mean for you for your developer experience that agents have become the majority of your ac..."

"today, I'm thinking about all these founders who may be thinking about building dev tools. How differently would you do that? Because you would target agents from the get-go, right? >> Oh, yeah. For s..."

">> right being open source probably helped a lot for you. Open source for sure for us. Uh I mean we have a community uh we have a lot of Reddit comments we have a GitHub community all the comments the..."

">> Yeah, personally and then probably as a as a as a as a team. >> Ah, okay. Yeah. Well, the money shouldn't change how you operate in my opinion. Like the you you have jobs to be done and the money i..."

"um go to Buddhist monasteries. [laughter] I uh as a as a company I think the founders have to have um you can't get caught up in money won't make you succeed basically and the founders have to really ..."

">> Yes. Company from Singapore. >> Uh, and build the teams that distributed. You are all remote. How many countries? >> We have people in over 60 countries. >> Okay. How many people? >> 360. >> Okay. ..."

">> for superbase? Yeah, I think um and this one might be interesting for for you as well. A lot of the time the agents are thinking right now like in the build stage. So prompting hey I need an applic..."