"what if the product manager came to the meeting with prototypes what if you come to the design team and instead of a PRD you actually already have your mocks with AI it's super feasible for a product ..."

"tremendously with that I bring you Aman con Aman thank you so much for being here and welcome to the podcast amazing thank you so much for having me Lenny it is truly an honor to be here so let me giv..."

"less managers and you've been doing AI for a long time you've been in ic for basically your whole career very intentionally so with that there's a few things I want to spend our time on one is how to ..."

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"platform PMs and that's kind of where I find myself uh these are people who are building tools for AI Engineers uh so for context you know I work at a company called arise uh we're a observability and..."

"nent and the tools that you would use to build on top of and understand is my app doing the thing I expect it to do is is really really early so that's sort of the space I'm I'm focused on around you ..."

"have these researchers and Engineers really pushing the boundaries of Technology forward in Ai and then your job is really to package that technology and make it consumable for either a business or En..."

"you know the field I studied was mechanical engineering I didn't really take computer science courses or uh you know had to learn a lot of that on my own and I I didn't take like machine learning or A..."

"customer problem I think the same thing is true for AI product you know product managers meaning you know you're really trying to design the best customer experience really solve your customers proble..."

"of that as much as possible and so now when you think okay let's assume that I'm starting with uh a phone call there's a ton of tools that that are starting to emerge and I think a really cuttingedge ..."

"people to you know see what drives them and try and find the tools that that really help you know make that experience possible to pull on this thread a little bit more say someone wants to like apply..."

"place and then how do I stand out as an applicant I kind of feel like these are maybe two distinct things it's you kind of want to start with a foundation of what is what is machine learning what is A..."

"I'm interested in and that's actually related to the second point of how do I stand out as an applicant and it kind of feels like this moment where you can actually go and have a you know almost like ..."

"one and part two which is what most interview processes are designed to do which is why they're like this sort of you know you have to go talk to like three different people to see can you do marketin..."

"and you were probably more deeply involved in like what should this the training data look like and the split of the data and how do I launch this thing and all of this infrastructure but really now a..."

"the role too is like being interested genuinely C curious of the space too I'm really happy you shared that and it's reminds me I'm just going to go on a tangent here I want to get your take on this I..."

"that's that's a really powerful you know position to be in at a company and then I'll kind of actually build on like one of the core product skill sets that you know people you mentioned on your podca..."

"aipm say you got into this role you're building with AI tools or you're building platforms for folks to build on let me ask kind of this let me try it this way what have you seen separates the typical..."

"around AI products it was really interesting to see what happened next and what I mean by that is you know we sit at a in sort of in the landscape at a place where we get to see where a lot of other c..."

"everyone gravitated towards this particular use cases all the AI product managers I knew were like oh we're building like an internal chatbot on top of our knowledge base and it's going to be able to ..."

"for us that was Data analysis we have to look at a lot of data to make decisions within our own company and so we decided to try to automate that there is there's sort of you know we we did Al ship a ..."

"anything else you want to add there because I have a question yeah I I think there's uh there's like so that that's that's almost like a point of like what did people do for the last two years and now..."

"powerful that's the area where product managers can truly innovate because let's be honest you're probably not going to have those these Cutting Edge researchers that can go and design and model from ..."

"created this effect where they're scale they're s skyrocketed because they realized that the customer actually wants to have a little bit bit of control over the experience and you can kind of see tha..."

"Betty Crocker example is really interesting it reminds me of like blue apron and all these food food making I have I have a friend who's like tell who told me that he cooks he's cooking a lot these da..."

"advice you sharing on what separates typical aipm from 5% top 5% PMs and what else you what else you got what else you got on that list oh actually I'll kind of Steal This one a little bit from our fr..."

"move a business metric in some way the goal though is to make space for the other things we were kind of talking about which is prototyping you trying the tools firsthand yourself making space for you..."

"takeaway which is to really stand out as an aipm you have to accept this technology is changing really fast it's you know you might might think it's going to do something great or maybe you have a bad..."

"to solve it right now um okay so be I want to talk about being an IC being successful as an IC before we get to that is there anything else along these lines that you think would be really valuable to..."

"side I imagine we're going to touch on it in this next area and this next area is talking about how to be a really successful IC you've very uh consciously decided to stay an individual contributor an..."

"want to like set the tone a little bit which is being icpm is really hard it's it's uh you know I made a point earlier of like it's Bec easier to break into product management to some degree if you ca..."

"really power through that so I think that there's really three things I think about there which are uh energy waiting versus wandering and then amplifying the signal to make a decision yeah so so mayb..."

"it's like flowing feels like a dinner table conversation versus a hard conversation even if it might be something about something tough so I think to me there's this concept of like when you're you kn..."

"it and I had to like sit with our sales team to like understand how do you how do you do this like I maxed out my like five LinkedIn messages a day like what are you trying to do here and I think what..."

"someone is doing trying to kind of keep keep the tone of the meeting more like positive I think to some degree so to different people that might resemble different things but I I actually think this c..."

"and I think even just as something as small as that could be like a contribution back to the culture for your team and maybe there's like a point there of like building culture too like you get to det..."

"yeah and and I like even just to Riff on that like second Point like you're you know I think that uh there's a there's a there's this component of like when you are doing the thing with someone and yo..."

"awesome so let's keep talking about other things you found helpful in helping you be uh really successful in icpm you mentioned this term wandering versus waiting maybe we go in that direction or if t..."

"to me I thought was like this this really visceral feeling of uh you know like where where do we go where do we go from here so my takeaway here is if you're feeling like you have no idea where your p..."

"stressful because you can actually just try stuff yeah and I think that's like the amplifying the signal with like through the noise with AI like the signal can be super sparse you get back at times t..."

"we've been here and I think I think it just puts a lot of things into perspective of like our time here how we spend it and even the age we're living in now with AI like it's such a blip in the cosmic..."

"from a perspective standpoint I love that second book I read it and it was really meaningful to me but it's been long ago and I forgot it now but I remember it was really great and so I'm glad you bro..."

"it's it's intense I'm gonna kind of start there like I didn't realize what I was going to get to but it just ramped up in more and more intensity and um yeah really enjoyed it is there favorite produc..."

"possible I I also do have another product as well like I initially when I thought about this question I was like what's like the product I've been using the most lately and this is this one's going to..."

"that one as much you're making me hungry uh I can almost smell it uh what is the brand of this notebook in case folks want to look it up it's called app heal uh a PP e Ling yeah okay I need it I need ..."

"up recently in another conversation with Jam Nichols but let's move on actual final question so as I was researching you I was Googling your name and uh when I Google your name there's a a cricket pla..."

"data set in a way so yeah amazing I love the Silver Lining there Aman this was amazing I think this is going to be helpful to so many people trying to get into AI trying to thrive as an aipm or just w..."