"when people say I want someone that's strategic what they're really saying is I want someone that can come up with an articulate a compelling and simple why behind the decisions and the direction of t..."

"Gupta anuka thank you so much for being here and welcome to the podcast thanks for having me so I want to start with a question that I've started to ask guests that come on the podcast that have had e..."

"deal with super difficult situations and this advice specifically came up to me when I had a scenario where I had to essentially change out all of my direct reports in very short order and I figured t..."

"how to collectively solve some big challenge figuring out how to bring humor into the meeting and just starting it on a light note and that elevated my own uh mood and way I was approaching the meetin..."

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"actually taking a step back and objectively saying well why are they pushing this maybe it's the wrong mechanism to go actually get done a strategy that's quite important for the company so having a r..."

"decide as a head of product do I really want to fight this or do I just you know get give in on this Let It Go and you know also make sure that we get the stuff done that's most important to the compa..."

"people in the company don't okay so let's go from the other side so uh I was talking in Nel singal who runs the skip which is a community are part of about you and he said that you're you're a leader ..."

"so there's a lot of information that I collect about what's happening in the organization the decisions that we're making that I don't do anything with at a point in time that's my choice to make but ..."

"better versus stomping all over and and dismissing the work that they've done uh and I pick a strategic set of areas so I think about like what is most important for the business what's going to kill ..."

"overall organization so in that in that example and I love this tactic you have your team come in you ask them tell me which what the strategy is for this thing that you're working on the what you've ..."

"but not completely shut down the discussion because what I always worry about as a leader is I'm going to come in and say something and because I'm one of the more senior people in the room no one is ..."

"when I reflected back I think it actually all came back to the same themes which was think when people say I want someone that's strategic what they're really saying is I want someone that can come up..."

"what it means and so I focused a lot on how do I make sure I do both of these things how do I Champion a few things that are really big ideas that are going to help change the direction of the company..."

"compelling and simple why behind something and sometimes also really hard to come up with like a really big idea out of thin air so these things can be very challenging the first step that I found is ..."

"can think about offline and not in the context of like write in the meeting sometimes write in the meeting too I guess is how do I make this idea one click better and it's not about how do you do some..."

"much you're sharing that resonates with other podcast episodes for example this idea of just going one click better I had uh Roger Martin on the podcast wrote this book playing to win which is one of ..."

"can do this just in a meeting just like okay let me just summarize to make sure everyone's on the same page funny enough this is the feedback I get on this podcast and I haven't been doing this in our..."

"scary because you have to deal with a lot of conflict and it's a way to kind of move beyond the conflict and get to the heart of an issue which in my mind that's what the PM job is all about is gettin..."

"you're not coming in and just being like hey this is what where we we're at but then inviting people to discuss and say yes or no I agree with 90% of that but 10% 10% off and that helps move the conve..."

"conversation um that's happening live on the zoom itself that's a much lower Stakes way of doing it and I I'm picturing all the PMS listening to this are going to start doing this and there's going to..."

"relation to being kind of a historian which I love this concept talk about that Insight yeah um so I was at my previous company for 11 years so I kind of ended up becoming the historian and when I joi..."

"today I'll hear about projects from many years ago that people will bring up and I'll be like tell me about this project why like what happened with it how did we decide to do this and just really lea..."

"your parting advice when she left to join a different company was it's not about making the right decision it's about making the decision and that's like the thing she remembered about you most that p..."

"at all because you won't get any new information if you don't make any decision at all as a PM might be listening to this feeling like okay yeah that sounds great but then I make a bad decision and th..."

"to be to go sell to that new persona within our own organization I've made that mistake many times actually and so now I I think now what I've taken from that is really know how you're going to sell s..."

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"and help people align when that is notely what they want to do I try to embody the mindset of feeling like and believing that I can work with anyone and I think what I do when I hit a difficult person..."

"they have this desire and how am I going to get them to care about the thing that I'm going to care that I want to care about the other thing I do is like instead of feeling like anger or frustration ..."

"other original piece of advice of just turning something into this is going to be fun let's make this fun and in this case it's like make it great what can I learn from this person even though they're..."

"just ask other people what is this person's motivations and then ideas uh connect what they want with the thing you're trying to achieve beautiful uh I really love this idea of when you're frustrated ..."

"feeling sometimes that means I want to step out of the room or it depends on who I'm talking to but let myself feel the things that I'm going to feel and then once that's passed whether that's a few h..."

"your body go through the roller coaster of feeling the negative feedback sometimes the feedback is just like no this isn't actually a thing do you have any just like heris of like I should actually pa..."

"to people I care so much about you and I'm giving you this feedback because I want you to be successful and I want you to be able to reach the Pinnacle of what I know you can accomplish and you do all..."

"I try I do a lot of prep before I give someone a lot of feedback I really think about like how can I frame this in a way that's going to resonate with them that doesn't come across as attacking them b..."

"about what they can be doing better are there like phrases or ways you kind of set up the conversation you talk you mentioned a few of just like I want to help you become the best version of who you c..."

"focus on the things that are going to really matter during the feedback conversations I also try to frame things as this is how you're being perceived then you are doing X because I think even though ..."

"mentioned uh IC product managers and this is a good seg way too you're you know you're a big deal fancy Chief product officer person a lot of people listening to this podcast are early career PMS or t..."

"you're within the same company you bring other things to the table let's say you're working in Customer Support well you have a huge amount of knowledge about what are the big problems that people are..."

"some are just kind of at hoc is there anything there you just like like should you talk about this in your interview just like hey I really love to become product manager someday do you have anything ..."

"kind of along these lines you have a really unique perspective on new PMS because you teach product management at Stanford you've been doing that for a while I just want to ask you work with a lot of ..."

"mindset and the skills required to clarify ambiguity along those lines actually saw you somewhere in a talk or maybe something you wrote talk about how creating this class and creating the curriculum ..."

"those conversations with students and bring in the real life examples and I found in some situations that actually go back to my own team and share the same answer that I I came up with in class I was..."

"PMS do their work is there a specific tool that you love to help you with that that you may want to give a shout out to or is it something you guys built yeah uh we use dovetail and it's been fantasti..."

"learn to do it do you have any advice on just like how to build that mindset like you know connects to many of the things you said how can this be fun how can I be grateful to this person that's annoy..."

"is an irrational way to think about this whereas other things I start to uncover well what is it about the situation and what is it that I need to do differently what's within my control and what is i..."

"on yourself that's how I think of it I've never actually done cognitive behavioral therapy but I've read a lot about it and sometimes when I go through this I'm like asking myself the same questions t..."