"the jury found pfizer guilty of fraud and racketeering violations how does big farm affect your mind everyone's allowed their own opinion i don't think everyone's allowed their own scientific facts de..."

"and more attacked from all sides i will get attacked when i host people like jay bhattacharya or francis collins jamie mertzel or vincent ruckanyello when i stand for my friend joe rogan when i host t..."

"i only had one hour and so this wasn't the time to address these issues deeply but to show if albert struggled with them in the privacy of his own mind and if he would let down the veil of political s..."

"second these conversations with leaders can be aided by further conversations with people who wrote books about those leaders or their industries those that can steal man each perspective and attempt ..."

"first question what is the biggest problem with big pharma that if fixed would be the most impactful so if you can snap your fingers and fix one thing what would be the most impactful you think the bi..."

"are in charge we don't have those referees in american health care that's the biggest um way that american health care is distinguished from health care and other wealthy nations so okay so you mentio..."

"in terms of violating the law it's a routine occurrence the drug companies have paid 38 billion dollars worth of fines from i think 1991 to 2017. it's never been enough to stop the uh misrepresentatio..."

"and then we look at the outcomes that you're describing and uh it looks and that's why the narrative takes hold that like pfizer ceo albert brola who i talked to is malevolent the sense is like these ..."

"they're playing modifies the culture you know of inside the meetings inside the rooms day to day that there's a bubble that forms like we're all in bubbles of different sizes right and that bubble all..."

"because it's playing by the rules and relative to the other again it's the game relative to the other companies it's actually not that aggressive but relative to the other big pharma company yes yes i..."

"i'm actually more concerned about the effect of advertisement in a kind of much larger scale on the people that are getting funded by the advertisement in self-censorship just like more subtle more uh..."

"on the news media on the journalists on scientists that's scary to me um but of course the direct advertisement to consumers like you said is a potentially very negative effect i i wanted to ask if um..."

"now this to be fair to the company the sponsor there's never been a study that uh compared trulicity to lifestyle changes but that's part of the problem of our advertising you would think in a rationa..."

"right and that study was done actually in the 90s it's called the diabetes prevention program it was federally funded uh by the nih so that there wasn't this drug company imperative to just try to pro..."

"lot of our discussions about health policy right that's exactly right and the answer is that we assume that the market has to solve all these problems and the market can't solve all these problems the..."

"until it has the legitimacy of the medical establishment yeah like something that the doctors really pay attention to well there's there's an entire mechanism established for testing drugs there's not..."

"purpose of that study is to sell trulicity it's not to prevent cardiovascular disease you know if if we were in charge i would try to convince you that anywhere that study the results of that study we..."

"um just these details very strict guardrails of what actually has to be specified and i would make it against the law to have family picnics or dogs catching frisbees in the ads so you mean 95 of the ..."

"number one the information that comes through legitimate sources that doctors have been taught to rely on evidence-based medicine the articles in peer-reviewed journals the guidelines that are issued ..."

"they can't do it and then we have the clinical practice guidelines which are increasingly more important as the information the flow of information keeps getting brisker and brisker and docs need to g..."

"spent about 10 years in litigation and for example in vioxx which was withdrawn from the market in 2004 in the biggest drug recall in american history the problem was that it got recalled when a study..."

"attacks been included the only conclusion that merck could have made was that vioxx significantly increased the risk of heart attack and they abbreviated their endpoint from heart attacks strokes and ..."

"safety monitoring board issued a letter that said they'll stop counting cardiovascular events a month before the trial is over and they'll continue counting gi events and that person got a contract to..."

"think what is the right thing to do here but the data hiding the data makes it too easy to live in ignorance so like within those inside those companies so your idea is that the reviewer should see th..."

"peer reviewers i don't peer review clinical trials but i peer review other kinds of articles i have to do one on the airplane on the way home and it's hard i mean we're just ordinary mortal people vol..."

"volunteer uh peer reviewers see i believe in even in this in the sort of capitalism or even social capital after watching twitter in the time of covid and just looking at people that investigate thems..."

"it's data doesn't matter there's details to it and i think the response from the fda is that of course yes of course uh but uh you know we can only publish like some x number of pages a day 500 pages ..."

"one hour of sales and they can't come up with the money and now pfizer has joined the suit to help the fda fight off this judge this mean judge who thinks they ought to release the data but evidently ..."

"and the reason why i'm not an anti-faxer having not been able to see the data that the fda and pfizer seemed to willing not just to put effort into preventing the release of but seem to have quite a b..."

"anti-vaxxers can make a lot of money too let's not forget this from the individual perspective you can become famous being an anti-vaxxer and so there's a lot of incentives on all sides here and and t..."

"drug that's ever been come along can i ask you a difficult question here in the fog that we're operating in here on the pfizer biontech vaccine what was done well and what was done badly that you can ..."

"knowledge and having that be the foundation of their product so pfizer took that and they did their r d they paid for their r d having received that technology and when they got the genetic code from ..."

"have so we've made a great drug it reduces the risk of mortality in americans who get it by a lot but we're not doing what we need to do to protect americans from omicron you don't have to be an ideal..."

"the topic of censorship i don't know if you've uh heard but there's a guy named robert malone and peter mccalla that were removed from many platforms for speaking about the covet vaccine as being risk..."

"having too many voices that are contending here should the ultimate battle be fought in the space of uh scientific publications and particularly in the uh era of kovid where there are large public hea..."

"have a solution to this i mean ideally if we had a philosopher king we could have a panel of people who were not conflicted by rigid opinions decide on what the boundaries of public discourse might be..."

"give power to the individual scientists and also give them the responsibility of being better educators communicators expressers of scientific ideas put pressure on them to release data to release tha..."

"is there's a deep distrust of institutions deep distressed the scientists of science as an institution of uh power centers of companies of of everything and perhaps rightly so but the way to defend ag..."

"the people that get the most emotional and the most outraged will drive the censorship and it doesn't seem like reason drives a censorship that's just objectively observing how censorship seems to wor..."

"the the the whiny c students controlling too much of the censorship i i believe that you should you should actually put the responsibility on the self-proclaimed holders of truth aka scientists at bei..."

"it's a question of building the commons ideally i don't know how to get there so i'm not pretending to have a solution but the commons of discourse about this particular issue about vaccines is has be..."

"is a thing that joe rogan is currently going through as a platform whether to censor the conversation that for example joe's having so i don't know if you heard but neil young and other musicians have..."

"actually going to be affected by the results of the our pursuit of scientific truth right um and listen to those voices i also believe that most people are intelligent enough to process information an..."

"that's where social media can be very good at like this collective intelligence we together listen to all these voices and make up our own mind humble ourselves actually often you know you think you k..."

"difficult and it's not difficult but it kind of ruins the conversation because you want the idea to breathe yeah i think what's very possible is before it's published it's the pre-publication before i..."

"on some point in terms of anti-vaxx i've been fascinated by listening to arguments from uh this community of folks that's been quite large called flat earthers the people that believe the earth is fla..."

"by uh uh charismatic uh arguments right and if we're arguing about whether the fla earth is flat or not uh as long as we're not navigating airplanes and doing other kinds of things trying to get satel..."

"let me ask you yet another question that issue i raised with faisal ceo albert berla it's the question of revolving doors that there seems to be a revolving door between pfizer fda and cdc people that..."

"and biogen showed that its drug agilem reduces amyloid plaques in the brain they did two clinical trials to determine the clinical efficacy and they found that neither trial showed a meaningful benefi..."

"we're not going to participate in this and the argument against approval is that the surrogate endpoint the reduction of amyloid the progression of amyloid plaques is known by the fda not to be a vali..."

"conflict of interest it's kind of like it's not like like like uh albert said there's rules i mean you're not allowed to have direct financial conflicts of interest it's it's indirect right but what i..."

"research thinks that that's going to give you a biased result because we don't have company influence and that i think shows how how biased their thinking is that not having company influence is a bia..."

"means ways and means committee in the house played a key role in ushering this through with the non-negotiation clause of it and after it was passed billy thousand did not finish out his term in congr..."

"that's our model now 96 of the research that's done in clinical trials in the united states is about drugs and devices and only a fraction of the four percent that's left over is about preventive medi..."

"and more and then that communicates i mean everything that anthony fauci says that francis collins says has an impact on scientists i mean the you know it it sets the priorities i i don't think they i..."

"that is abiding by spending that is directed by the most profitable ways to deliver health care so you put that in the hands of big pharma is you maximize for profit you're going to decrease performan..."

"ask you the big so as a physician the so everything you've seen we've talked about 80 percent of the impact on health is lifestyle how do we live longer what advice would you give to general people wh..."

"back to your fishbowl analogy if you're swimming in a fishbowl if you live in a fish tank that's not being properly maintained the approach wouldn't be to treat individual sick fish it would be to fix..."

"how do you overcome depression well you have to talk about what the problem is so talk therapy lifestyle changes well no i'm not jumping to that i'm saying that you ought to a the way you feel must be..."

"figure out make a diagnosis first the diagnosis isn't that the person feels sadder than they feel than they want to feel the diagnosis is why does the person feel sadder than they want to feel you men..."

"a great doctor despite all that just forgets it all and just cares about the one human and somehow that feels like the love and effort you put into helping one person is the thing that will save the w..."

"patient i i wouldn't say that i think it's your responsibility torture that's exactly right the human condition that's a tough job but yeah yeah to maintain your humanity through it all yeah but you'v..."

"and you need to opt out of it what advice would you give to a young person today in high school or college stepping into this complicated world full of advertisements of big powerful institutions of b..."

"the thing that is normal not question the normal don't uh if you conform conform hesitantly well you have to conform you can't become a doctor without conforming um i i i just made it through but ther..."

"as an educator live better lives live longer but you yourself are a mortal being do you think about your own mortality do you think about your death are you afraid of death oh yeah um i'm not i've fac..."

"heart and soul into the thing yep what is it the bukowski poem go all the way john um you're an incredible human being incredible educator like i said i recommend people listen to your lectures it's i..."