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Craig David Opens Up About His Painful Rise, Fall & Redemption | E135
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This weeks episode entitled 'Craig David Opens Up About His Painful Rise, Fall & Redemption' topics: 0:00 Intro 01:17 Your early years 15:17 Your model of relationships 20:49 Growing up on a council estate 24:28 Your early music influences 36:36 Your rise in music 52:14 How were you dealing with your meteoric rise? 01:02:46 Losing yourself 01:13:58 Your mental health journey 01:24:59 Being back and in a better place 01:33:59 The last guests question Craig: https://www.instagram.com/craigdavid/ https://mobile.twitter.com/craigdavid Listen on: Apple podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-diary-of-a-ceo-by-steven-bartlett/id1291423644 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/7iQXmUT7XGuZSzAMjoNWlX FOLLOW ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/steven/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/SteveBartlettSC Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-bartlett-56986834/ Sponsors: Huel - https://my.huel.com/Steven Myenergi - https://bit.ly/3oeWGnl
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The Weight of Success
Craig David reflects on the overwhelming nature of his early success in the music industry at just 18 years old. He discusses the pressure of being in the spotlight and how it led him to abandon his true self, resulting in dark thoughts and a struggle to maintain authenticity in his music.
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Lyrics of Pain
Craig shares lyrics from his song 'Johnny' that encapsulate the struggles of youth, including bullying and emotional pain. He explains how writing this song was a way to express his feelings and connect with others who might be experiencing similar challenges.
"listen cray without further ado i'm stephen bartlett and this is the diary of a ceo i hope nobody's listening but if you are then please keep this to yourself [Music] craig i've got some lyrics that i..."
Experiencing Bullying
Craig opens up about his experiences with bullying during his school years. He describes the psychological impact of being bullied and the helplessness he felt, emphasizing the importance of addressing bullying and the complexities involved in seeking help.
"uh experience that i felt that i had maybe on a lesser degree to a lot of other people in my school i think at school like in my my secondary school i had a very i had a beautiful upbringing i enjoyed..."
Family Dynamics and Support
Craig discusses his family background, including his parents' divorce and the support he received from his mother and grandmother. He reflects on how their presence shaped his emotional landscape and influenced his songwriting, particularly in expressing love and respect.
"so i understood what bullying was i mean that was i was i was felt helpless i couldn't he was two years older stronger could rough me up if we really wanted to but then also i was seeing other people ..."
Navigating Relationships
Craig reflects on the impact of his upbringing on his romantic relationships. He shares insights about the lack of a stable family model and how it affected his ability to connect with partners, leading to challenges in maintaining open and healthy relationships.
"felt deeply that i needed to write on that um and like i said my mom and dad had their own things going on um in their lives and and i spoke to my mom i wrote the song while i was in southampton i've ..."
Childhood Influences on Identity
Craig explores how childhood experiences, including feelings of shame and insecurity, have shaped his identity and drive for success. He emphasizes the importance of unpacking these early influences to understand his journey and personal growth.
"that i felt like this is past a romantic love song i need to help people in in a way that wasn't trying to preach it was just let me tell stories anecdotes and i do it through music so and you were bu..."
The Journey to Self-Acceptance
Craig discusses his journey towards self-acceptance, particularly regarding body image and societal expectations. He reflects on how his experiences with weight and fitness have influenced his self-perception and the importance of embracing one's true self.
"tended to be the one that the girls were interested in you were the you were the slightly overweight one that they cry on your shoulder tell you all your problems have this real you have a real empath..."
The Role of Music in Healing
Craig highlights the therapeutic role of music in his life, particularly during difficult times. He shares how songwriting has been a means of processing emotions and connecting with others, allowing him to express his struggles and triumphs.
"lot of weight um but not unhealthy i think there was a point that when it became unhealthy is when i realized that my weight had i was like 15 and i think my weight had was starting to get to i was 14..."
Reflections on Heartbreak
Craig reflects on his first heartbreak and its lasting impact on his emotional openness. He discusses how this experience shaped his relationships and the importance of addressing past wounds to foster healthier connections in the future.
"people's greatness in a weird way 100 like it all you're you're you've got this this period where your heart's open you want to you're experiencing life you're a child like you said you're a child you..."
The Complexity of Love
Craig delves into the complexities of love and relationships, acknowledging the challenges he faced in opening his heart after past experiences. He emphasizes the need for self-reflection and growth to navigate romantic connections more effectively.
"early days entrepreneur early days yeah you'd find the the chocolate that was like had about two weeks left before it was out date and you'd i'd work that in my in my lessons like listen i knew i had ..."
The Impact of Childhood Relationships
Craig David reflects on how his childhood experiences and family dynamics shaped his understanding of relationships. He discusses the absence of a model for healthy romantic connections, the influence of his parents' relationship, and the emotional scars left by his first heartbreak. This segment explores the complexities of love, vulnerability, and the journey towards emotional openness.
"things that you love from your mummy and grandma and then my dad was just like always had my back and i've got you but i've never never seen them together so i think again looking at childhood imprint..."
Learning from Heartbreak
In this segment, Craig shares the profound impact of his first heartbreak on his emotional development. He describes how this experience closed him off from future relationships and reflects on the lessons learned from past romantic encounters. Craig emphasizes the importance of acknowledging one's own role in relationship dynamics and the energy exchanged between partners.
"my heart had kind of closed down and i i feel sorry for the the the girls and and women in the last days of my life tried to open my heart up and that's all they were trying to do there's there was th..."
The Influence of Family on Love
Craig discusses the lessons he learned from observing his parents' relationships and how these experiences shaped his views on love and commitment. He reflects on the lack of positive relationship models in his upbringing and how this influenced his choices in love. This segment highlights the importance of understanding familial patterns in shaping adult relationships.
"with that because i feel like it's something that i've always i now get it that i was moving a little bit reckless in the early times with the music and everything going on and there were there were p..."
Opening Up Again
Craig shares his journey towards emotional openness and vulnerability after years of guarding his heart. He discusses the significance of finding someone who understands and supports him in this process. This segment emphasizes the importance of healing and the willingness to embrace love again after past traumas.
"link that into the the first breakup first heartbreak heart was open gave everything relationship i'm all in like i'm gonna as a child i was like okay it's hard psychologically you don't really unders..."
The Evolution of Relationship Perspectives
In this segment, Craig reflects on how his perspective on relationships has evolved over time. He discusses the importance of aligning actions with feelings and the need to break free from toxic patterns. Craig emphasizes the value of laughter and connection in building meaningful relationships, moving away from superficial interactions.
"i'm at that place now where i'm like do you think my heart's open eyes open man it's open in a way that i'm i'm down if it if something tried to try to close it down i'm open as much as i was when i f..."
The Reality of Love Beyond Romance
Craig discusses the complexities of love beyond the initial romantic phase. He reflects on the importance of sustaining love through life's ups and downs and the need for genuine connection. This segment highlights the significance of emotional resilience and the deeper understanding of love that comes with experience.
"things where it's purely well this had changed long term ten years ago for me that the objectifying of women that that thing it was something where i had to just check myself and be like what is this ..."
Musical Roots and Early Inspirations
Craig shares insights into his early musical influences and how his family's background shaped his passion for music. He reflects on his father's involvement in a reggae band and the impact of growing up surrounded by music. This segment explores the connection between Craig's upbringing and his artistic journey.
"hangover right then that's when you're gonna ask yourself am i really in love the romantic thing that's this bit of sweetness have you had a long-term relationship it would sound so short for so many ..."
Dreams Beyond the Council Estate
In this segment, Craig reflects on his aspirations while growing up in a council estate. He shares how his upbringing fueled his dreams and ambitions, despite the challenges he faced. Craig emphasizes the importance of hope and inspiration in overcoming obstacles and achieving success.
"looking out of your bedroom window at the estate car park imagining jacuzzis do you know what i think to correct the quote even more easier yeah because the jacuzzi one like it's funny cause i was tal..."
Gratitude for Family Support
Craig expresses deep gratitude for the support he received from his family during his upbringing. He reflects on the sacrifices made by his mother and the protective nature of his father. This segment highlights the importance of family in shaping one's identity and the emotional foundation for pursuing dreams.
"okay it kept me on my camera my grind like council estate working class family growing up made me have to make ends meet where secondary school wasn't really setting me up for when i leave here i was ..."
The Early Influence of Music
Craig David reflects on his early exposure to music, highlighting the influence of his father's reggae band, Ebony Rockers. He shares how his childhood curiosity about music led him to explore records and develop a passion for sound, showcasing the deep connection between his family and his musical journey.
"you started like selling mixtapes and i sat here with i sat here with many musicians and it tends tended to happen a little bit later in life even diplo sat here last week and the diplo it was i don't..."
First Steps in Music Creation
Craig recounts the moment he first began creating music at the age of 11 with a hi-fi system gifted by his father. He describes the excitement of recording on cassette tapes and the challenges he faced as a young artist, including learning to develop his own sound and style.
"recognized for that oh man like i just love love my dad for that it's like i'm just so happy for him so i was looking at records and i pulled out his record and i'd be like every new rockers and my mu..."
Nerding Out on Music
Craig shares his obsession with music during his teenage years, detailing how he meticulously collected records and learned about production. He emphasizes the importance of this passion in shaping his identity as an artist and the joy of discovering new sounds in a slower-paced music scene.
"felt like it just was gravitating towards it when was the first time you made music in any kind of computer um the first time i made music was my dad got me a hi-fi system called studio 100. for anyon..."
Winning the Songwriting Competition
At 14, Craig won a songwriting competition for the boy band Damage, marking a pivotal moment in his early career. He reflects on the excitement of this achievement and how it reinforced his belief in his musical abilities, even as he navigated the ups and downs of the industry.
"a world very nourished with r b reggae but also the the pop soul element tension derby was the first show i ever went to at the guildhall in southampton it blew my mind i saw this guy's front row i ju..."
The DJ Journey Begins
Craig discusses his transition from a budding songwriter to a DJ, sharing experiences of performing as an MC and learning the ropes of the music scene. He highlights the mentorship he received from older DJs and the thrill of performing live, which further fueled his passion for music.
"competition for the boy band damage um and that's what like three years of just continuing to mess around and develop and practice and just play around with music right between that time yeah yeah it ..."
The Early DJ Days
Craig David shares his experiences as a young DJ, starting at age 14. He recounts how he was introduced to the nightlife scene by an older friend, performing as an MC and learning the ropes of DJing. This segment highlights the formative years that shaped his passion for music and performance.
"knew my dad um and he was 10 years older than me and i at 14 i looked a little older as well so i couldn't kind of get i could style it to get into clubs with him and he'd let me be his mc so i'd be c..."
Discovering Garage Music
In this segment, Craig discusses his introduction to garage music while DJing at a club. He describes the vibrant atmosphere and the unique sound of early garage, which would later influence his own music. This moment marks a pivotal point in his musical journey, leading to significant collaborations.
"college i was doing an mvq level two in electronics it was like the closest thing i could get to music because there wasn't like uh production courses that they do now which would have been great back..."
The Serendipitous Meeting
Craig recounts a chance encounter with Mark Hill and Pete Devrow from Artful Dodger, which led to a fruitful collaboration. He reflects on how their shared vision for music and songwriting created a perfect partnership, setting the stage for his breakthrough in the music industry.
"what do you call it is it i know what two step was it was like it's a speed garage it was with like some eclectic thing that's not house but it feels uk and then all of a sudden we got into conversati..."
The Rise of 'What You Gonna Do'
This segment covers the release of Craig's first single with Artful Dodger, 'What You Gonna Do.' He shares the excitement of hearing his music played on pirate radio and the growing buzz around his work, which marked the beginning of his rise to fame.
"i i was coming back from london it's getting played like i went to a club it went off the dj spanned it like four times back to back something was bubbling the next thing you know i got a call from pu..."
The Impact of 'Rewind'
Craig reflects on the cultural significance of his hit song 'Rewind.' He describes the euphoric moments of performing it live and how it resonated with audiences, solidifying his place in the music scene. This song became a defining moment in his career, showcasing his unique sound.
"just went from what you're going to do then rewind was starting to go do its thing and people were just losing their minds to that song like i remember my first person from pa of that song i wasn't su..."
From DJ to Solo Artist
In this segment, Craig discusses the transition from performing as a DJ to becoming a solo artist. He shares the challenges and triumphs of his early performances, including the overwhelming fan response that marked a turning point in his career.
"i appreciate you know what i mean though hundreds yeah is that is that it was a cultural record it was it feels very timeless like i did a show the other day yes last night and i dropped it in the mil..."
The Breakthrough with 'Fill Me In'
Craig talks about the release of his first solo single 'Fill Me In,' which skyrocketed to number one. He reflects on the whirlwind of success that followed, including sold-out shows and the excitement of being recognized as a leading artist in the industry.
"then that then became sort of my intrinsic trademark thing that i did throughout that one to do album um so just be like craig david it's another one like all that all that kind of stuff um but yeah i..."
Navigating Fame at a Young Age
At just 18, Craig David reflects on the challenges of handling fame and success. He discusses the euphoric highs of performing at iconic venues like the House of Blues and the surreal experience of having music legends like Missy Elliott and Stevie Wonder in the audience. This segment highlights the psychological shifts that come with sudden fame and the pressure to maintain success.
"well it was quite obvious and i was on this wave it was euphoric there was nothing i can i can put my finger on it was like it was it was everything but more it went from everything i touched was turn..."
The Pressure of Expectations
Craig David delves into the pressures that come with success, particularly the expectations from record labels. He discusses how his second album, 'Slicker Than Your Average,' faced scrutiny despite selling millions. This segment emphasizes the shift from creative freedom to being viewed as a product, and the emotional toll it took on him as a young artist.
"whole how old were you through this period so you start i mean fill me in was when you were 18. yeah so yeah so within the album drop the same year so 2001 was when i went over to the states so it wou..."
The Rollercoaster of Success
In this segment, Craig David describes the exhilarating yet exhausting ride of his early career. He reflects on the euphoric moments of success and the subsequent pressures that began to mount. He shares insights on how the music industry can shift from a joyful experience to a demanding environment, leading to a struggle for personal identity amidst fame.
"i'm there i look up in the same balcony jennifer lopez is there i'm like wow and i want to sound like i'm name dropping but i want it to be to give context but yeah it's just these these facts yeah th..."
The Reality of Declining Success
Craig discusses the release of his 2009 album 'Trust Me' and how it marked a turning point in his career. He felt the pressure to conform to industry standards, leading to a disconnect with his authentic sound. This segment explores the challenges artists face when their work is scrutinized and the emotional impact of not meeting commercial expectations.
"but it was literally the start of an incredible rollercoaster ride which left the later years i think which we get into it hops back to that and i can i can see where the cracks are starting because w..."
Finding Authenticity in Music
Craig David reflects on the importance of staying true to oneself in the music industry. He shares how the pressure to produce hits can lead to a loss of creative identity. This segment emphasizes the need for artists to reconnect with their roots and the emotional journey of navigating fame while maintaining authenticity.
"that's not a good thing because the last time i checked the feeling i'm getting is i just saw 3.5 million albums give 3.5 million to any artist now like we were good so i'd already started to buy into..."
The Human Cost of Fame
In this poignant segment, Craig David discusses the darker side of fame, including mental health struggles and the toll it takes on artists. He draws parallels with other famous musicians who faced similar challenges, highlighting the importance of mental well-being amidst the pressures of success. This reflection serves as a reminder of the human aspect behind the glitz and glamour.
"be able to to continuously do and you start to see with any of the artists who we put in from from the amy winehouses to the michael jacksons to the whitney houstons the height of success when it is l..."
The Roller Coaster of Success
Craig David reflects on the ups and downs of his music career, describing the moment his trajectory shifted from euphoria to struggle. He discusses the release of his 2009 album 'Trust Me' and how he felt pressured to create music that pleased others rather than staying true to his roots. This segment captures the essence of navigating the music industry and the internal conflicts that arise from fame.
"there's a lot of people out there that listen to this podcast that are looking to make that sustainable switch in the things that run their daily life whether it's their home their car their vehicles ..."
Finding Authenticity in Music
In this segment, Craig shares his experience of creating the covers album 'Signed Sealed Delivered' after feeling disconnected from his earlier work. He emphasizes the importance of authenticity in music and how he struggled with the pressure to conform to industry expectations. Craig's journey highlights the significance of staying true to oneself amidst external influences.
"and you describe that journey as a as a roller coaster so what at what point did that roller coaster start heading down from that um place you described as euphoria to a place where you um weren't eup..."
The Miami Experience
Craig discusses his move to Miami and the initial excitement it brought, contrasting it with the later realization that he was losing touch with his musical essence. He reflects on the distractions of the party lifestyle and how it impacted his creativity. This segment delves into the challenges of maintaining artistic integrity in a glamorous but superficial environment.
"and then by the time i released that album which i was proud of i'm always proud of the music i put out but it wasn't connecting as well science hill delivered was an album that i did just after that ..."
Reconnecting with Roots
In this reflective segment, Craig talks about the importance of reconnecting with his roots and the joy of DJing. He explains how his TS5 house party concept allowed him to rediscover his passion for music and performance. This segment emphasizes the journey back to authenticity and the joy of creating music that resonates with both himself and his audience.
"well i know seo had a big covers album at the time i think that was a good reference point he had a huge covers albums doing serious numbers and that was the sentiment that universal were presenting l..."
The Evolution of TS5
Craig elaborates on the evolution of his TS5 brand, which combines DJing and live performances. He shares how the concept originated from his house parties in Miami and how it transformed into a successful brand. This segment highlights the unique blend of skills Craig brings to his performances, showcasing his ability to connect with audiences through both DJing and singing.
"way off i was literally creating hardly anything is there shades of like you you're going up on this trajectory when you're like a younger man 18 19 etc and then going into this place where you almost..."
From House Party to Glastonbury
In this segment, Craig recounts the journey from intimate house parties to performing at major festivals like Glastonbury. He reflects on the growth of his TS5 concept and the connection he feels with his audience. This narrative illustrates the power of perseverance and the importance of community in the music industry.
"if someone doesn't know what ts5 is yeah can you explain just give an overview of exactly what it is yeah so ts5 is like um it's when i the performance now from the house party that it was um is i'm a..."
The Puzzle Pieces of Life
Craig discusses how looking back at his career reveals the interconnectedness of his experiences. He reflects on the significance of each moment in shaping his journey and the importance of patience in the creative process. This segment emphasizes the idea that every experience contributes to the larger picture of one's life and career.
"rarely see someone who can drop their own records who can sing who can perform but then who can also dj it's like a really interesting new thing totally yeah i i felt i felt it and i got a little touc..."
Mental Health and Vulnerability
Craig opens up about his mental health journey, addressing the stigma surrounding men's mental health. He emphasizes the importance of open conversations and seeking help. This segment sheds light on the challenges of dealing with depression and the necessity of vulnerability in overcoming personal struggles.
"glastonbury was probably the one of the pinnacle of it because you're there in front of a crowd who are there for a murray at a different artist and you're there performing a band set and then go into..."
The Importance of Open Conversations
Craig David reflects on the significance of open conversations about mental health, influenced by his family. He discusses how repressing emotions can lead to spiraling issues and emphasizes the need for connection and expression to combat feelings of depression.
"it's like keep it inside repress it put it under the carpet don't talk about it that's what we do that very alpha way and thankfully and this goes back to my parents my grandma and my my mom in partic..."
Facing the Dark Night of the Soul
In this segment, Craig shares his experience of confronting deep-seated issues during his journey through depression. He describes the process of uncovering hidden emotions and the importance of confiding in others to navigate mental health struggles.
"depression is real mental health in the in the multitude of myriad of different ways that that can come about is real and it's that and it's something that you can only half the battle i've always spo..."
The Spiral of Depression
Craig opens up about his personal battle with depression, detailing how physical injuries and emotional turmoil led him to dark thoughts. He emphasizes the importance of acknowledging pain and the journey towards healing and understanding oneself.
"making the songs that's really you who i've always been but i had abandoned you used that earlier abandoning yourself when that starts to happen it could spiral out of control and i had injuries and a..."
The Power of Connection and Authenticity
Craig discusses the transformative power of connection and authenticity in overcoming struggles. He shares a pivotal moment of love and support from friends, highlighting how vulnerability can foster empathy and understanding among people.
"i'm thinking yes and then i'm i'm inspired by people who kind of wear the heart on their sleeves now so yeah i feel like it was a culmination of a lot of those things building up to being in the wrong..."
Physical Pain and Mental Health
In this segment, Craig describes how a severe back injury led him to confront his mental health challenges. He explains the physical and emotional toll of chronic pain and how it shaped his understanding of depression and self-worth.
"something's happened here but it was more than just it needed me to play my part and get back home and get and go through that miami phase of what that was all about i i i find that really interesting..."
Lessons Learned from Pain
Craig reflects on the lessons learned from his experiences with pain and depression. He discusses how these challenges have shaped his perspective on life and the importance of listening to one's body and emotions.
"that same spasm so it wasn't just like one spasm it wasn't like okay we've locked up we're good at that point you know where you're at i've had those before we all had i think in our lives we have a s..."
Embracing Vulnerability and Growth
Craig emphasizes the significance of embracing vulnerability as a pathway to growth. He shares insights on how his journey through pain has led him to a deeper understanding of himself and the importance of being open about mental health.
"was music that it never had changed and i realized that from when i came back to london it was like people just want to hear music and they were cool they were just happy and this version of me and i ..."
Finding Balance in Life
In this segment, Craig discusses the balance between ambition and self-care. He reflects on the importance of slowing down and recognizing that growth can occur even in moments of stillness, especially during challenging times.
"something has to happen like this this pain is intolerable i can't even style it out there's nothing for it and i think that that when it started to dial down and we've done it from injections and all..."
The Impact of the Pandemic
Craig shares his thoughts on how the pandemic served as a pause for the world, allowing people to reflect on their lives. He discusses the importance of relinquishing control and finding joy in simple moments, emphasizing the need for heart-based relationships.
"are back you're back in the uk now back at the uk back in the uk um and you said this you said this quote you said to a lot of people i'm at my destination i've arrived i'm back but no i'm still on my..."
Anticipating the Release of '22'
Craig talks about his upcoming album '22', reflecting on the journey since his first album. He shares insights into the creative process during the pandemic and the emotional depth of the new music, aiming to capture the essence of his early work.
"here when you're doing nothing like having a good night's sleep resting trust me for the working out in the gym and all those kind of things the rest was the actual thing whereas growth happened so wh..."
Creating '22': A Journey of Reflection
Craig discusses the inspiration behind his new album '22', which marks 22 years since his debut. He shares how the pandemic allowed him to write freely, capturing the essence of his early music while incorporating new influences. The segment highlights his creative process and emotional connection to the music.
"inspiration what is the the art the creativity the pain what is the what is what is it okay so we know born to do it was was my baby it broke out everything for me it was the moment where everything i..."
The Evolution of Sound
In this segment, Craig David talks about blending different musical styles in his new album, including R&B and garage. He emphasizes the importance of staying relevant by collaborating with younger artists and adapting his language to resonate with a broader audience, showcasing his growth as an artist.
"the kid again and i keep using the word feel because i think that's the most important that's my that's the only thing i can really gauge thing how am i feeling i've got a big sub speaker in my in my ..."
The Journey of a Journeyman
Craig likens his musical journey to that of Charlie from 'Willy Wonka', discussing the challenges and tests he faced along the way. He expresses a desire to be authentic and vulnerable in his music, shedding the pretense that sometimes accompanies fame, and embracing a more genuine self.
"well no one says that anymore no one's saying tipsy in the in the club anymore no one's even really saying getting wavy anymore that's sort of like a bit a couple years back johnny's what's the news s..."
Trading Fame for Authenticity
Craig reflects on the sacrifices he has made in his career, comparing it to the moral choices faced by Charlie in 'Willy Wonka'. He expresses a commitment to authenticity in his new album, aiming to share his true self and experiences with his audience, while also acknowledging the challenges of fame.
"clock it it was his grandpa who kind of got him to take that fizzy uh fizzy um lifting drink and he started to go up into the thing it wasn't really charlie he was calm he was actually being the good ..."
Whispers to My Younger Self
In a heartfelt moment, Craig imagines whispering advice to his 14-year-old self, encouraging him to embrace the journey ahead. He reassures his younger self of the beautiful changes to come, emphasizing the importance of resilience and the euphoric experiences that await him in his music career.
"something underneath there's there's a needle in the haystack and i don't want i know it's in there yeah we gotta find it i'm at that stage where i'm dropping this album that i feel i've put the blast..."
The Impact of Vulnerability
Craig and Steven discuss the profound impact of vulnerability in sharing one's story. Craig acknowledges the importance of being open about his struggles, particularly for young men, and the potential influence his honesty can have on others. This segment highlights the significance of emotional authenticity in art.
"[Music] which inc like which sort of collects all of that wisdom and all of that emotion and truth and pain and experience is really something to be um excited about as a as a craig david fan so thank..."