"the brain is like a college campus that has different departments in it most people rely on their history Department way too much if you instead send things to the kind of the more experimental open-m..."

"you Evan La Point Evan thank you so much for being here welcome to the podcast thanks very much for having me I'm excited to share some stuff with people I am really excited for this episode because o..."

"easy to read a sentence like that and just run straight away from the problem and I think that's important for people to not run away from this problem but more run toward it uh and it's our job to ki..."

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"and systems of the brain and the simplest way to keep track of the systems is there's three there's three really big ones there there probably are more than three that you can learn about but the ones..."

"talking about is not on my reward list and I therefore am not interested in it like I I have a easier time pushing away from it uh because the reward system of the brain is you know more transactional..."

"amazing so just to summarize here so we have these three systems safety reward purpose then uh our level of focus and and then there's the like are we able to actually do the job those are kind of the..."

"one of the worst pieces of propaganda that people walk around with in their minds is the phrase we're more similar than we are different and my theory on why we walk around with that phrase or why we'..."

"kind of like well what's going on beneath the surface what are the underlying principles and forces at work that all that kind of comes to all the stuff that comes to life on the surface really origin..."

"people but yeah personality is a a broad spectrum uh and self-awareness is like the the starting point for the whole thing the big five model gives you a really good list of attributes to kind of scan..."

"their brain operating and so they think in a very different way they react in different ways and you may think the entire world thinks the way you do but they don't and these tests help you see that t..."

"a lot of it is you want to actually create a habitat or an environment that's kind of predisposed to high functioning thinking and high functioning interaction between people because if it's if if the..."

"about that uh I mean so you you think about the um even in the in the canva context of like coaches instead of managers like that is a you're looking at so so I love this let me back up for just a sec..."

"head so if you kind of do the math of canva what science knows versus what canva does whether they know they're doing it scientifically right or not the the the math equals zero like there's no differ..."

"choices and hypotheses but it's also the ability to kind of load them into your Oculus headset and walk around a world in which that choice already has been executed like that's kind of akin to Vision..."

"list of stuff I mean from very deep to very tactical of things we can do differently that that reduce the gap between what you're doing and what science knows and the dysfunction just shrinks and shri..."

"just cleaning up the way they're using meetings uh and some of that is just the design of meetings like treat meeting like a product you know treat them like workflows that should be organized and use..."

"priming it can be simple it can even be done in the invite I mean one of the things that's crazy about Outlook and Google is you can put a very terrible useless meeting into Outlook uh and it will nev..."

"does it like in an arduous process right they're kind of known for that but that's wisdom to know like we need priming they they're wise enough to realize the the need for it they make that a very rob..."

"if you have that that we'll definitely link to that in the show notes so the advice here is make sure when you're starting a meeting running a meeting uh Prime everyone around the problem we're trying..."

"lot of junk around here and and okay great so it's a your brain's kind of already in in a yes if it's believable maybe you're reading Harvard Business review and you're kind of reading about things th..."

"idea that totally makes sense to iie he's probably been in a thousand meetings where other people are like that'll never work even though obviously science knows for example it totally will one of the..."

"this debate so that I think is what we have to recognize in ourselves big part of self-awareness is where our like unbelievable threshold begins where our believable threshold ends and then the inconc..."

"and I if we were to kind of do paint by numbers on that you know what dominoes do you want to knock down know your personality what you're looking for in the big five model which we lean into is openn..."

"approach to this because if you think about your you know Domino 2 once you kind of know this stuff then the question is how do we socialize this knowledge you know in a team let's say it's a SE Suite..."

"to vulnerability the the thing you said about openness and not being good at Big Vision brainstorming super resonates with me because that's exactly me so I took I took your test uh what is it called ..."

"and your advice here is one this combination of this habitat create this habitat where you have kind of all all these versions of people's ways of thinking where some people are in their happy cave wh..."

"instead of first order effects like what is the ROI of having fresh flowers in the lobby of a Four Seasons Hotel there there's two possibilities for the Four Seasons they either have an answer to that..."

"disadvantage in the market and if you're competing head-to-head with one team like this is what I loved about you know the figma conversation that habitat inherently is built for Speed because the hab..."

"in the decision- making process and the thing uh you recommend being open about is this is my uh personality like this is my core identity like I don't know the language you use but it's it's not I th..."

"your brain breaks and you move into foreign territory uh and you know there there's a level of I mean if you are very conservative person and somebody's like let's go to burning man that will break yo..."

"they're motivated to do and what they choose to do and separate them right like that's the it doesn't matter if we change motivations if your choice of behavior and your underlying motivation can be d..."

"conscientiousness is going to be like why are we doing this why are we having this conversation what's the need this is inefficient I could be spending my time doing something else and sometimes that'..."

"side of this is you got to watch out and you got to be careful and and that's why I say habitat's such a big deal because that's a perfect example of a well-intentioned room with mostly people that ar..."

"awesome okay that's really great and I was going to go One Direction but I want to talk about this real quick something comes up a lot on this podcast is uh this the power of Leaning into strengths an..."

"the real world and I think we're so again focused like we talked about at the kind of at the beginning we alluded to the fact like there's you have to unpack enough complexity I love the Einstein quot..."

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"we'll probably unpack uh a second topic and open up a side you know an offramp here right at the beginning but there's two things there's influence itself and then there's relationships we should prob..."

"because I don't want to respond to Evan right now right like that's so that's that's the one piece now assuming the relationship is in place and we'll come back to that and talk about that because tha..."

"fast and the habitat can help a lot with this is like if you're if a Founder is listening to this and you haven't create a habitat where fast influence is easy and H like the permission isn't there th..."

"we're just going to let him fail and they'll learn or this impolite person like me giving feedback the wrong way years in the past like we're you know I'm not going to sit Evan down and talk to him ab..."

"example the in the feedback example that we can kind of keep using over and over again through this is hey Evan you might you might want to notice people's body language while you're saying these thin..."

"a few months at worst way faster than letting them fail we actually had I don't know if you know this we had the author of that book on the podcast Matt Dixon I think is his name yeah and yeah and the..."

"around and be like thank you for even telling me this so the advice here is uh if you're trying to influence someone try to figure out what they don't know like find information that you know that the..."

"reverse engineering just by your nature you have you're going to be more situationally aware and probably make a series of vastly better decisions than the team that has a lot less situational awarene..."

"move into the this vulnerability out of your three choices State we don't need a bunch of data for that to work really well you know if you said hey I'm not super strong at this and the rest of the ro..."

"case like yours that you talked about okay I I'm not as high in openness I'm very high in conscientiousness if I can admit this and ask different types of questions everybody else in the room will be ..."

"then then it becomes super obvious oh this makes a lot of sense to be open and find the patch to my bug and here we go this fractal of topics uh continues to grow I'm trying to contain it there's thre..."

"wait for you to to experience anything it's saying in the moment how does this formula compute explain to me Evan how you being too blunt in feedback is going to end up in a human being changing why d..."

"important to do then you activate fast influence mode basically so that's a really important thing and then as you transition relationships well what are the question that everybody kind of glosses ov..."

"build some strategies some like actual action plans for them so what we propose to people is if you take that third component of your brain ability that is one piece of your relationships especially y..."

"ability knowledge your reasoning your your imagination your skill set these are all incremental facets of you so if it's and and that's really really key now here's the plot twist your ability is actu..."

"little bit but we'll we'll try to keep this simple but I I like to think of like trust one two and three three distinct levels of trust and Trust one is let's say we're having a cookout uh trust one i..."

"there's no risk to me having them do it instead of me doing it and that's where you get true scalability of teams so if you can if you can trust people enough there's the ri your brain's assessment of..."

"try not to go too crazy right but he's not going to sit down with the invoice and be like why did you need 13 horn instead of 11 like Jon just gets to do what Jon does because there's so much trust in..."

"protected deactivated sequestered node of the mesh at this point in time and a lot of people really don't get that yeah that's a really good way of visualizing yeah so and then here's the surprise end..."

"engineer with a ton of ability now let's flip one flip the middle Dimension and we trust you a lot but you're a horrible experience are you coming to our offsite are you in this meeting no you're gone..."

"something I always tell people is just try to smile just like just look happy you know that makes a big difference happy bring energy look happy look just try to be excited yeah uh so think about the ..."

"it and there's a whole bunch of ways to to go about that but I like to leave that to people like to explore that creatively like well oh gosh okay I can change this to this this to this this to this o..."

"largely doesn't work within your habitat so if it if it's effective for people to harm each other in your habitat you are performing at a much lower level than if harming each other was extremely inef..."

"idea of a habitat uh I think another way to think about this is like the culture of your company is that right exactly Okay cool so are there a few things you could recommend to people to create a hab..."

"look at habitat in culture it's really about what people believe it's what people believe is acceptable permissible productive and the biggest flaw in people's approach to culture and interestingly en..."

"park this is going to be a cool enough Mission Vision Values that people throw some change into my guitar case and they buy into it like they gather around what I think and I think that's just complet..."

"exist now that's true I don't need you to be inspired IR D to believe that that is true and now everything that we're going to think about for the rest of our beliefs we're going to deduce from that s..."

"oh how does that produce value for people how does that make people go faster save time get smarter do something they couldn't do otherwise and then you can still use that exact same vocabulary when y..."

"have decision-making intelligence which everybody believes like we we should go Fast Break Stuff uh or we should be super slow and get everything right and wherever in between that's a fun one talk ab..."

"your anterior insular cortex will not to deep more deeply consider the humans affected by the problem so you're kind of you're adding to the toolkit of what the brain will bring to the table to genera..."

"sure one last thread I want to follow Focus you have some really cool advice on how to help and this just comes from uh everybody wants to get better at Focus everyone wants their team to have more ti..."

"the the question because this is where it all ends right um first things first let's let's look at the Neuroscience that we have available to us which is the study of focus is either is or is tightly ..."

"your brain is in uh the nerdy side of this kind of the nerdy language is alpha beta and gamma those are the those are the distinct ranges of brain activity and they basically represent how focused you..."

"workday is beta and it's just I mean some of us have an infinite amount of demand for beta work there's just a NeverEnding stream uh ofu stuff we could do and get done and then gamma is your brain's i..."

"done gamma is where like we go I would normally do it this way I can see why that's not the right way I need to make something new I need to break my framework and build a brand new one right now to d..."

"like another hour just to dig deep into this because it feels like just this alone is going to really transform the way companies operate so let me let's try to give people something tactical they can..."

"amazing Evan with that we' reached our very exciting and very quick lightning round are you ready yes let's do it all right so let's start with what are two or three books that you've recommended most..."

"better the better the team does that's the no-brainer the second one I would say since we've kind of covered this topic a little bit about um you know habitat today I if you enjoy reading books that a..."

"then I guess the last maybe we'll put a fork in the road of a Choose Your Own Adventure if you're a real student of the game and you want to go 10,000 Le Under the Sea on this stuff there's a series o..."

"explore do you have a favorite product you recently discovered that you really love I look more at the category level of products um I really like products that have great ergonomics uh a lot of peopl..."

"product final question uh I saw you tweeted that uh people are telling you that you look like JD Vans which is hilarious do you think this will be a net benefit or net uh hurdle it'll be an incredible..."

"your life changes Evan this has been amazing there's so much richness to this conversation and like I said we've covered like basically everything people want to get better at as product manager you c..."