"ben fogel ben relentlessly pursues adventure risk and challenge but this doesn't come from a place of strength and courage it comes from the opposite this if you think you're gonna fail you're gonna f..."

"but if you are then please keep this to yourself [Music] ben uh as i read through your story your books your interviews and i i remember remember watching uh a youtube documentary of you sailing acros..."

"i think it's do you know it's not necessarily an absolute thirst for adventure i think it's about kind of finding the real me see if i go if i go right back as a child i was so shy i had no confidence..."

"and i'm just i as a child i just i was surrounded by dogs dad was a vet mum was an actress it was all quite a liberal my actual childhood at home was quite liberal full of actors um lots of drink lots..."

"from your own assessment of yourself or was was there external forces bullying or your parents or no my parents were amazing you know my parents have i don't think they could have done more for me tha..."

"voice of doubt and through all of these challenges i've done i've been able to really build that confidence and i'm i'd say i'm a few hundred meters from the summit now of peak confidence and i can't ..."

"left just because the other person has said right i'm really not a concern if anything for someone who doesn't like criticism i should probably stand back and therefore i should sit on the fence and b..."

"whole thing although i'd be quite happy to because i think you're a fascinating person but it is strange isn't it that archer i don't think you have you know yet okay so so i've got two young children..."

"they can then go look hurrah we're doing a great system yeah gcse grades are all up a level grades are all up it's all looking great look at the number of people going to university and i'm like hang ..."

"based on the child's like intrinsic passions and who they want to become because obviously for me i was running multiple businesses in the school all the school trips had done all the vending machine ..."

"and if at some point you could take the money out of the system um then you'd be able to fix it but that poor head teacher he was the ceo and he said i won't be able to buy pencils if we have a hundre..."

"cost a lot of money but i in the same way as i'm talking about apprenticeships you know i'm a keen advocate of like a national service not a military one but i think everyone aged 18 should go off and..."

"university so my mum was disowned me because it made her look bad that i left the system then you haven't but culturally for lots of people it is still really really really important my mother is afri..."

"is that not part of the system and it's so unnecessary i mean you what you spoke to everyone about internships for me is is the answer getting experience right however that might be and at my company ..."

"we're constantly evolving and changing and and growing and i think however much you try to be yourself you you become a bit chameleon-like and and you end up you end up kind of the lines between who y..."

"you know it will have either an amount that you made or it will have the company that you started but is that really is that really you so so if you or i went on strictly come dancing now by the way t..."

"and it's exactly this exactly what you said so i refer to it as your label and i say that your your label comes with a set of instructions implicit instructions about how you have to behave going forw..."

"kind of have really defined me you know i somehow managed to row across the atlantic ocean i should have i should have quit there really you know 49 days in a little boat you know for for those who ne..."

"next to your buyer so listen by the way i think it's something you should be really proud of if you have if you have managed to make that that much money i think that is that is your everest that is t..."

"and then i got it and then it you know but by the way just to reiterate i i think to have a goal like that is so important whatever your goal is i'm just saying i think to to have the the pure monetar..."

"exactly what you've just said there i think there's a the distinction for me is like whether the goal was intrinsically or extrinsically motivated and the kid there that says he wants to be famous is ..."

"when you asked asked me earlier about whether i believe the journey or the destination i just don't think the destination exists every time you get there it moves off into the distance like a mirage y..."

"uh my instagram accounts and and if there aren't so many likes or if there's one negative comment amongst hundreds of really positive ones i just look at at the either the low figure or the the negati..."

"the scenes you look at them you think i got spots and i'm fat what's that pouch down there and no one else has got that so it's a losing game and and so i implore people but you know because i work fo..."

"they sign up and there's no and there's no real and there's real world consequences of the behavior it's never going to stop yeah and i agree i agree it's the anonymity thing so you know the number of..."

"wokeness is it's fascinating and it's really complex now especially as a documentary maker i go off to to countries all around the world and and i've been accused of of um gross xenophobia just becaus..."

"it is laughable but they're quite but they have quite a strong voice and and i've you know i've had to talk about this on other people to other people is to make them feel like they aren't a part of n..."

"actually the the this kind of nomadic way of life or this very simple hand to mouth way of life i i go and i i feel i feel huge admiration and i'm not laughing or sneering but there are lots of people..."

"scotland obviously the kilt is is the national dress and i was asked if i could wear a kilt with a special environmental fabric so i've agreed to do that but i can already see when it comes to that cu..."

"cultural appropriation othering people um and it should be we we should leave people to live as they do without trying to mimic it that's that that's how it is interpreted by some people where is all ..."

"it's there's no middle and for everything i've just said to you about not wanting to be the sheep and wanting to be the shepherd i i'd quite like to just be a sheep amongst quite a few others in a fie..."

"back to this middle just being a sheep in a field because i i you know i long for a good solid conversation i i can't sit at a table now with people i don't know really really well and have a conversa..."

"conversation about not wanting to be imprisoned by society's conventions this is a form of imprisonment isn't it of course yeah and it and it and it which is maybe one of the reasons why i still find ..."

"worry themselves about those big topics i was just you know describing there it's it's kind of unimportant to them what happens with brexit doesn't really matter for the person that's chosen to live o..."

"overwhelming sense that i'd lived my life wrong and i got off the bike and said to my friend and it's so crazy and i don't think me and him will ever forget this moment before i could say the words to..."

"fish and i just i just think there's a lot to be said in that because it's about chasing these goals and and what your goal is and and i think if we too many people are kind of blinded by and again co..."

"it will be self-fulfilling you must know that you you yes you know that but it's like it's a fake in my view like i i really i'm i'm quite repelled by this culture of like people looking in the mirror..."

"it was always trade and barter and borrowing and i don't think there was any stealing not that i know of but i love this notion that he had an absolute confidence that this would work and that he woul..."

"self-fulfilling prophecy that you won't succeed so it's i think this idea of belief that you can you're right it's much more than just looking in the mirror and going i'm going to be the best musician..."

"with those aspirations if someone wants to be a top neuro scientist or a top doctor i don't see why they can't but they have to have it was going to be impossible for me i wanted to be a vet uh and i ..."

"dyslexic just never gone to check um but i just always believe that's what i've always said for my whole life i always believed i was gonna bit so think about what i wrote in my diary as a kid that di..."

"and it's not that i'll share my diary the first page of it it's like because and and also because i think i'm going to have to tell this story one day that is a guy that saw himself on an island and k..."

"what it's done is it's given people this belief that anyone can become world famous overnight and and i've already alluded to britain's got talent x factor but big brother love island all of those sho..."

"it's doomed to failure i remember funnily enough i think one of the reasons why me a reality show contestant is still working in tv after 21 years because i should have my 15 minutes was up a long tim..."

"um is eroded away when you think about some of those opportunities that you were given that you turned down what was it about them that made you think it was too big of a leap because i'm trying to an..."

"i think you know this this instant gratification just doesn't exist there is a few examples and you're you're one of those where you were able to write down i'm going to be a millionaire i'm going to ..."

"then i don't want to be part of the conversation i don't i don't like the uncomfortableness of it i want to be a politician but i i couldn't bear the you know the the the focus and the the um the deri..."

"narrative i had a major announcement this week as you've probably all seen on social media or in the newspapers relating to a tv show that i'm doing and um it was just a great you know it's a great ex..."

"interesting things to me was this idea that you have preventative marriage counseling yeah tell me about that and why do i need it so so my so my wife marina we've been married for this will be our 15..."

"our kind of our relationship is has been built on me being away a lot because outside of the time of covid i'm probably traveling eight months of the year so there's a lot of time away but that's how ..."

"we sought counselling afterwards to help us through the complexities of all of those emotions and it was through that that we we kind of realized that actually our own relationship we we talked about ..."

"this narrative that i wanted to be in control of i didn't know who was going to come up were they going to talk about my loss were they going to there were there were things i couldn't prepare myself ..."

"argue once a year but when we do it's massive people may be surprised because we do we're we're highly emotional and we get it's really tearful it's not there's there's no uh black eyes or anything bu..."

"um wedding cakes perfectly formed everything is idyllic birds flying around chirping it's like any relationship it's strained and and and we get snappy at one another but we've learned to resolve i th..."

"they're going to be crying if they've got a dirty nappy or they're hungry or whatever but by and large their emotion their default emotion is it's laughing think of children in a playground yes they h..."

"unhappy whatever that is social media get rid of it living in a big city get rid of it you know you've just got back from bali yeah i i saw a picture of you under a waterfall i mean how how but but te..."

"the first thing that came to head was like i didn't feel unhappiness there you go right so i didn't feel like there was no notification but that is such a fascinating notion this idea that it wasn't y..."

"yeah and and this is funny because when you look at the ways that we're medicating mental health disorders now um we went through this phase of thinking that it was like a biomedical problem so we wou..."

"on the ocean closer to nature do you know you hannah hari do you know who that johann hari he wrote called lost connection yes of course yeah he's going to be sat there in two hours amazing he's comin..."

"continuing to confront failure risking what i do now given i've kind of got you know i write books i do tv presenting um and i do adventuring um i think i'd probably quite like to find something else ..."

"happen because politicians are just busy doing their thing and they'll they'll kind of just do what they can but they're never going to be able to to to break those glass ceilings that have been set b..."

"accepting that that's when we will start kind of taking mental health more seriously than we do because it's really obvious to me that you know that how your brain feels and how what your brain is tel..."

"we could start you know helping people within that context i think we would be in a very different place he's scared of dying no i'm scared of i'm scared for other people but i'm not scared of dying w..."

"not really not no because i've tried to it's kind of one of the ways i've tried to live life with no regrets and you can you're only likely to have a regret let me change i was going to say you're mor..."

"what do you say to those people having walked you know live their life what you say to them what's the advice you give them don't don't buy into someone else's narrative that's what you're doing by li..."

"and and that also means not trying to buy into someone else's narrative you might think you want to be the if you're the geeky one you might think you want to be the cool kid you might think that you ..."