"solving the global mental health crisis it's a first order problem one in three of us will experience depression or anxiety and i realize that this could be one of the biggest opportunities and busine..."

"that takes the time to listen to it so without further ado i'm stephen bartlett and this is the diary of a ceo i hope nobody's listening but if you are then please keep this to yourself [Music] michae..."

"know along with curiosity i think uh creativity is uh is part of it as well i love ideas i love taking the the random things that are kind of rattling around my head putting them onto a sheet of paper..."

"were you ever bullied in school did you ever i wouldn't i wouldn't describe it as bully but i i would certainly not class myself as one of the kind of um the cool kids sort of on the on the periphery ..."

"creativity to it and so um after about six months or so uh stepped away from that and tom had left to he was programming breathalyzers in wales which was quite an entertaining job he'd have to drink c..."

"well this is really interesting because you know around this time when we told people we were going to set up a business online we got a few different reactions one was that uh eye rolling people woul..."

"orders to come in what was the height of that website what was the highest moment well amazingly it's it's still i saw now yeah a quarter of a century almost it's been going which is mind-boggling to ..."

"want to just touch on the lesson you said you learnt about pr and storytelling i'm guessing that's a lesson that stayed with you till today oh boy absolutely and what are the principles of that listen..."

"entrepreneurial journey and so yeah we realized that you know if we could instead of putting out press releases saying this is our business and this is how much money it makes and this is our margin y..."

"you're you're saying there that you kind of ran out of love or excitement for the business ultimately were you were you at this point personally financially free state and stable or no no quite a a lo..."

"and if they stay at the front of the shelf and like steve you know then i'll pursue them but if they kind of fade off into the background and collect dust and vanish yeah then i don't pursue them it s..."

"move the problem entrepreneurs have in their mind i think i'm thinking people listening to that why don't they heed that really great sound advice is because they always think that there is a real urg..."

"interesting theme here watched a movie that i couldn't stop thinking about called the game with michael douglas where this person doesn't know whether it's real life or a game that they're part of and..."

"able to raise another round and i was just very stressed extremely worried about what uh what to do when you say so two points when i pick up on that when you say i was extremely stressed give me a cl..."

"just gasps of shock and horror and um i had been thinking of a new idea so it was very different to the current idea and so this was what i thought was the best thing we should do we had as i say less..."

"of of moshi as you look back on public city in that journey that strikes me as your first real probably significant business fail failing to some degree where you you have people's jobs and careers on..."

"the clapping and the press is validation of an interesting story there you go not very well do you know what i mean so yep how did that turn out failed we go we both we've both got the scars i mean my..."

"growth and then rocket ship and we thought ah we were going to be the next disney and we had opportunities to sell the business for hundreds of millions of dollars and i was like no thank you you know..."

"product market fear and yeah on a personal level what was because i mean that is an even higher high to come down from right in terms of your identity is like intrinsically connected to this company a..."

"wow yeah i am i think when we are struggling in life we instead of addressing the issue uh we mask it don't we we seek things that avoid whatever the challenge is and for some people it's drugs for so..."

"through it you know one of the best businesses to ever set up is one where you're scratching your own itch and you understood and i didn't know what meditation was or mindfulness but my very dear frie..."

"and research papers and i realized that you know this is science mindfulness is a way of rewiring the human brain what if we could make this simple and relatable and accessible to everyone this could ..."

"so here is where mine and alex's paths kind across so i had left my company wallpark when i described there um and this was in the transition of me starting social change so i knew i had this thesis a..."

"look for those moments and we both felt society was going to shift we didn't think it would take as long as it did but we felt there was change coming the actual story um about how i felt when sean to..."

"it took years but eventually uh it happened and now thank goodness we get it you know if people often say that there's a an often quoted stat that one in four people will suffer from mental health iss..."

"about this as alex and the team do but we think it's a very important mission that we're working on i agree thank you i can't think of a more important one other than maybe climate change but you know..."

"it's a great way to upgrade your operating system you said so how does that work from a neuroscience perspective how is it upgrading my os what's happening well so this is this can get quite complex b..."

"argument what if there was a slight pause a fraction of a second where you held and you thought and you kicked in you your awareness enabled you to respond to that stimulation rather than reacting ano..."

"and also conversely was there a moment where you thought no so when we were out there on our surfboards and it was freezing cold and everyone thought we were mad waiting for that wave to come yeah we ..."

"years and years and we had no choice to make the business profitable we had to have an incredibly lean team there was only about six or seven of us for for a long time and we're running out of money a..."

"we're very grateful to to vanessa and the penguin team and then we had a subscription business model so uh we put the price up from 10 a year to 40 a year which was a key tipping point because we didn..."

"11 o'clock every night all around the world we saw this big spike in usage and we realized that people were listening to tamara's voice to help them fall asleep and we were like what don't do that tha..."

"and then you're fast asleep and very few people get to hear the end of the story and this was just huge hundreds of millions of them have been listened to we've had massive amounts of press lots of ce..."

"well sleep has gone through a similar kind of metamorphosis in society as mindfulness has you know just a few years ago uh it used to be a badge of honor to show off how little sleep you got for somet..."

"uh angle uh this has i think been one of the the toughest if not the toughest years that i've i've personally been through so many people as you've described they're staring at the screen every day en..."

"we've been in this situation for 18 months and it's just gone on and on and on it's it's really affected everyone and we're seeing this now across pretty much every company at the start of the the loc..."

"in the history of the company because it gave the whole company a chance to properly step away and recharge their batteries knowing that there wasn't any calls they were missing or any important thing..."

"your friends and family and your your company and employees um one is nutrition what you put into your body number two is exercise how you move your body um uh so important number three is your mind t..."

"romantic relationships yeah good good question i think we're we're similar and i think because i've been so obsessed and focused on my my business i haven't been the best partner to my girlfriends and..."

"actually in our new york office and it was just no one was in the office and for some reason you know how like youtube loops through it stumbled onto one of his conversations and i just couldn't i was..."

"that has been a massive learning for me and uh yeah i'm asking this question maybe because i want the answer for myself but i i i feel myself so much in your words which is knowing the right answer bu..."

"if your girlfriend is asking you for a walk or if she is saying something to you you not only hear what she's saying you can understand what's behind it as well and i think that's important again not ..."

"i think um are very effective isn't it so true my girlfriend started to say something to me which really opened my eyes to this she said i just want to be understood and so i tried that as a technique..."

"anyone's struggling with their relationship i'd suggest uh doing some homework with esther one might think that the founders of an app like calm that has reached so many people um and that continues t..."

"those of all the people around you i think like you know i always conclude this podcast with like you know thinking of uh something nice to say to the guest but in your case you've just done a tremend..."

"that thank you do you feel that i do we do as a as a team um we have what we call the warm fuzzies channel uh in our slack at work and we read one out in every big meeting of how calm has changed some..."

"someone who's very interested and trying to support the mental health crisis in whatever way i can and actually one of the joint investments we have is um in a company called a tie i i heard about psy..."

"and uh also because christian anger mayor who's part of the company i met him years and years ago he came into the calm office like a tornado and i thought whatever he is on i want some of that and i ..."