"so much of the the way that we tackle problems and build products is this Builder mindset it's like I have a plan I then manipulate things to match my plan and make it happen and this is a way you can..."

"different contexts today my guest is Alex karosi Alex is one of the most original articulate and first principal thinkers on the future of product and Tech that I've ever come across this conversation..."

"cover how llms and geni will impact how we build product in the coming years what skills will matter most as AI becomes a bigger part of our Lives what companies can learn from slim mold organizationa..."

"having me I love the way your brain works my brain immediately starts buzzing anytime I start reading some of your stuff and one of the more interesting things that you write and do and really interes..."

"notes uh people I tell people when I'm in meetings with them of like if you see me on my phone or typing that means I think you said something very interesting and I'm writing it down um it's not that..."

"process if they want this is 100% about um my own self-reflection um and it's not designed I don't want anyone to like feel compelled to read it or like in fact it's designed a little bit to be I allo..."

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"like I haven't touched it in years but that's actually incorrect I built this about five years ago I use it every day and so I have I think let's see I currently have 17248 unpublished working notes a..."

"exactly what you told them and but they do typically do kind of roughly what you meant I see these places where people will build products and they'll say 80% of the time 90% of time it's great 5% of ..."

"can you now build now that you have magical duct tape you're a product manager for most of your career now you're founder I'm curious what you're advice would be to product managers and people buildin..."

"play you should be playing with these things and trying out different things and seeing what weird things are possible now one of my favorite things to be honest right now it's using AI is webs webs i..."

"I think is not the right model of how you would attack a problem that is sort of an AI native stle problem um and I think that those are where all the interesting things will be and again I think a lo..."

"way that everybody else could do there's so many threads I want to follow here but maybe on just this last one when you say taste what do you mean by that what should people think when they're like ok..."

"config and this was his asked him like what's the number one thing you think people are going to get more excited about in the future that you're playing with now because he's really good at identifyi..."

"like slap some AI on it you know I love that another point that I saw you make about Ai and the way it's different from other things we've done is most of the tools that we adopt in the workplace are ..."

"large scale things out of it it's very easy to jur the of anything and so you'll see it being used in the small and way it's almost entirely below the level of awareness of the seeing like the organ y..."

"I have a number of projects that just stuff as much of the bits and Bobs into the context as I can which is very helpful and uh and I just say you know I just play with the give me 10 examples of that..."

"really uh beautiful way of thinking about it that LMS are like the electric bicycle for the mine I don't think that's someone else's the um okay I don't know where it came from part of my job as a col..."

"when I get excited about this people go wow that is so cynical know I'm just trying to describe the system as it actually exists once we know how it exists we can figure out how to make it do great th..."

"way harder to fix so I'm just GNA little white light it's this is a totally reasonable thing to do it's a self-defensive thing to do and it's probably the right thing for the organization too the prob..."

"worse and so if you think you're going to go and hit the ground truth button before you do you will be flying tackled To The Ground by somebody and stabbed in the dark because you will destroy everyth..."

"to which you're dist like disconfirming evidence hurts and so um you won't uh you won't realize it because it hurts at any given moment it's a distraction I'm we're just trying to get this thing done ..."

"nobody is in a position to to change per se I love your caveat at the beginning that continues to resonate in my head as you say this like you're not cynical about the sucks it's more here's what I'm ..."

"who cares plant a bunch of these suckers you know if one of these grows into an oak treat that's great don't try to analyze beforehand which seed is going to turn into oak tree if it's super simple to..."

"direction that I believe is valuable based on constantly seeking disconfirming evidence and if you do this properly it looks like magic it looks like a thing um it looks like getting lucky um because ..."

"you stop if you ever cease getting that that that information so like I would uses anything that is shaped like an ecosystem that has some kind of network effect and many things have Network effects h..."

"versus top down control just chat chat about that 100% I think the emergence is one of the most powerful forces if you know how to Marshall it and you know how to work with it and the only thing that ..."

"they're working hard and like of course that team should exist I not going to think about it of course they should but now once you do this you have like 30% of your extra time that you can plant all ..."

"want to create cover fire for your team where your team's just hitting goals moving metrics and then while with that cover fire you're kind of building the Doomsday bomb inside protected where no one'..."

"sucks that they're just like this ugly thing that like barely works or kind of like but if this is why I my what I try to do is I try to see the greatness the seeds of greatness in everything everyone..."

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"spend a little time here so interestingly enough uh the first time I heard about you and what got me interested in your stuff is I did a a newsletter post with the company perplexity about how they bu..."

"vehicle like a big rig when it is a big rig people go oh it means go slow no no no it means pivot less it means have a little bit more like you know be more intentional about the times that you adjust..."

"you have the best metaphors I don't know how you do this but they're so evocative and and correct I I can tell you the process I do if you're interested that Inc so I think by talking I mean external ..."

"different people so like where did you get these from like I don't I got like thousands and thousands and thousands of little examples or metaphors or whatever that sick one of the benefits of metapho..."

"of your approach of emergent properties letting things emerge versus a top down here's what we're doing here we're talking about here if someone wanted to set this up within their company or within fr..."

"uh to do it you you can't do it if you don't have somebody with a lot of energy I'm typically the kind of like seed seed Crystal for a lot of the groups I'm in um to start them off because I have like..."

"started I have done a pelaton workout every single day um since the pandemic started wow and now once I had to start going back into the office um if I had to commute into the office I would sometimes..."

"moment I also find that like often if I have an idea and I I just I'm itching to write it down if I can write down in 30 minutes and get a very rough of it in one place now it's easier to clean it up ..."

"know and and so I think that having that space of recognizing that when you have these epiphanies that come from uh different leaps and sort of vertical development or the ability to when you when you..."

"like profound I I had this very very experience I did a psychedelic trip with some friends a while ago and at the end of it I was just like man Love is All You Need Love is All You Need like I felt th..."

"with the fact of like you know earlier in my career someone called me Kookie I'd be like oh man I should be embarrassed I'm like okay fine yeah I'm Kookie whatever I'm like I'm totally at peace with t..."

"and uh so you combine both of these things I think so many times we try to like jump and we jump to the end state of the thing and actually you don't need to make that decision like if you can slice u..."

"metaphor from an experience I had I did this silent Meditation Retreat once and a big part of Buddhism is to not like cling to a specific outcome and not have a plan in mind and be sad if it doesn't w..."

"a way that I can look back on and remember fondly and that will include yeah change remember like one other piece of advice someone gave me I really like is try to feel the emotion about the story tha..."

"authentic to yourself if you Che Alex I feel like I could talk to you for hours I can't believe it's already been almost an hour and a half so just to wrap things up is there anything else that you th..."

"what kinds of business plans work and how companies execute them that I found my entree into a lot of systems thinking and I thought it was just absolutely brilliant and the other one is the meows thi..."

"for that yet but like I that is a totally either way so she's one of the people who talks about dancing with systems let go and dance with the system is one of her lines and I think it's just a phenom..."

"amount of thinking that I kind of caus me to do afterwards wow that says a lot next question do you have a favorite product you recently discovered that you really like to me I think the answer for me..."

"knowledge yeah yeah amazing and it's because it's trained on all the things we've written right y all right two more questions do you have a favorite life motto that you often come back to find useful..."

"the late stage of this current technical Paradigm that we're in and so many things we feel like we figured them all out nothing can be any different and I kind of don't love this outcome that we're in..."

"agency in a pro-social way so wow well you blew our mind as a final uh element of this conversation Alex thank you so much for being here two final questions where can folks find you online where do t..."