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Matthew Johnson: Psychedelics | Lex Fridman Podcast #145

Matthew Johnson: Psychedelics | Lex Fridman Podcast #145

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Matthew W. Johnson is a professor and psychedelics researcher at Johns Hopkins. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: - Brave: https://brave.com/lex - Neuro: https://www.getneuro.com and use code LEX to get 15% off - Four Sigmatic: https://foursigmatic.com/lex and use code LexPod to get up to 60% off - Cash App: https://cash.app/ and use code LexPodcast to get $10 EPISODE LINKS: Matt's Twitter: https://twitter.com/Drug_Researcher Matt's Website: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/profiles/results/directory/profile/0800020/matthew-johnson Study Website: https://hopkinspsychedelic.org/ PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ Full episodes playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4 Clips playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOeciFP3CBCIEElOJeitOr41 OUTLINE: 0:00 - Introduction 2:02 - Introduction to psychedelics 18:04 - Psychedelics expand the mind 21:16 - The priors we bring to the psychedelic experience 25:11 - Elon Musk and first principles thinking 35:41 - DMT 47:03 - Joe Rogan and DMT 53:11 - The nature of drug addiction 1:07:00 - The economics of drug pricing 1:13:15 - Should we legalize all drugs? 1:25:18 - What is the most dangerous drug? 1:27:52 - Does drug prohibition work? 1:31:46 - Cocaine and sex 1:38:46 - Risky sexual decisions 1:49:43 - Psilocybin helping people quit smoking 1:56:01 - Young Jamie 2:18:09 - Participating in a study 2:25:28 - Psychedelics and the human mind 2:32:51 - The future of psychedelics 2:35:32 - Neuralink 2:45:05 - Consciousness 2:57:46 - Panpsychism 3:07:51 - Aliens and DMT 3:17:55 - Mortality 3:27:44 - Meaning of life CONNECT: - Subscribe to this YouTube channel - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LexFridmanPage - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman

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0:00 - 2:03
2:03 duration334 words

Introduction

"the following is a conversation with matthew johnson a professor of psychiatry and behavioral science at john hopkins and is one of the top scientists in the world conducting seminal research on psych..."

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2:03 - 18:06
16:02 duration2614 words

Introduction to psychedelics

"introduction to psychedelics like a whirlwind overview maybe what are psychedelics and what are the kinds of psychedelics out there and in whatever way you find meaningful to categorize yeah you can c..."

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18:06 - 21:16
3:10 duration486 words

Psychedelics expand the mind

"say about what the psychedelics do to the human mind you mentioned kind of an ego loss experience in the space of van diagrams if we're to like draw a big circle what can we say about that big circle ..."

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21:16 - 25:11
3:55 duration683 words

The priors we bring to the psychedelic experience

"what the impact is of the language that you bring to the table so you mentioned about god or um speaking of god a lot of people are really into sort of theoretical physics these days at a very surface..."

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25:11 - 35:43
10:31 duration1776 words

Elon Musk and first principles thinking

"so in some sense that you bring some prize to the table but psychedelics allow you to acknowledge them and then throw them away so like one popular terminology around this in the engineering space is ..."

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35:43 - 47:04
11:21 duration1819 words

DMT

"the most fascinating you know understanding the nature of these experiences if you really want to like wrap your head around what's going on when someone has a completely altered sense of reality and ..."

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47:04 - 53:11
6:07 duration1067 words

Joe Rogan and DMT

"familiar with joe rogan he does bring up dmt quite a bit it's almost a meme uh it is a name have you ever uh what is it have you ever tried dmt uh i mean he i think he talks about this experience of u..."

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53:11 - 1:07:00
13:48 duration2348 words

The nature of drug addiction

"you've mentioned addiction maybe we could take a little bit detour into a darker aspect of things or not even darker it's just an important aspect of things what's the nature of addiction you've menti..."

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1:07:00 - 1:13:16
6:15 duration1093 words

The economics of drug pricing

"so then just take a step back to something you brought up earlier the inelasticity of pricing is it uh from a perspective of the dealers whether we're talking about cigarettes or maybe venturing sligh..."

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1:13:16 - 1:25:18
12:02 duration2275 words

Should we legalize all drugs?

"libertarian candidates for president and just libertarian thinkers that had a nice thought experiment of possibly legalizing i was spoken about possibly legalizing basically all drugs in your intuitio..."

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1:25:18 - 1:27:53
2:34 duration427 words

What is the most dangerous drug?

"drug is the most addictive the most dangerous in your view not maybe spec like not technically like specifically which drug but more like in our society today what is a highly problematic drug we talk..."

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1:27:53 - 1:31:46
3:52 duration702 words

Does drug prohibition work?

"tobacco and i'm not i'm not advocating that we make it an illegal drug i think that was a heart would be a horrible mistake although there is a very credible push to to mandate the reduction of nicoti..."

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1:31:46 - 1:38:47
7:01 duration1358 words

Cocaine and sex

"you've done a study on cocaine and sexual decision making uh can you explain can you explain the findings i mean in a broad sense how do you do a study that involves cocaine and the other how do you d..."

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1:38:47 - 1:49:44
10:56 duration2126 words

Risky sexual decisions

"with alcohol that showed that it didn't affect those monetary delay discounting decisions you know nine dollars now versus ten dollars later and i'm like getting people drunk and i thought to myself a..."

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1:49:44 - 1:56:02
6:18 duration1119 words

Psilocybin helping people quit smoking

"published a bunch of studies on uh psychedelics is there some especially favorite insightful findings from some of these they you could talk about maybe favorite studies or just something that pops to..."

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1:56:02 - 2:18:09
22:07 duration4104 words

Young Jamie

"rogan i think that jamie his producer is uh immune to uh uh psyched so maybe he's he's a good recruit for the study to test so that's interesting now i'm not the caveat i'm not encouraging anything il..."

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2:18:09 - 2:25:28
7:19 duration1352 words

Participating in a study

"this is uh this is a good moment to bring up something i think a lot of what you talked about is super interesting and i think a lot of people listening to this so now it's anywhere from 300 to 600 00..."

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2:25:28 - 2:32:53
7:24 duration1213 words

Psychedelics and the human mind

"this is a little bit of a general question but uh almost a bigger picture question that we touched on a little bit but let's just touch it in a full way which is uh what have all the psychedelic studi..."

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2:32:53 - 2:35:34
2:41 duration482 words

The future of psychedelics

"fact that like we always as humans and as scientists think that we figured out 99 and we're working on that first one and we got to keep reminding ourselves it's hard to do like we figured out like no..."

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2:35:34 - 2:45:05
9:30 duration1712 words

Neuralink

"your thoughts in this broader definition of drugs of psychedelics of mind altering things what are your thoughts about neural link and brain computer interfaces sort of being able to electrically stim..."

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2:45:05 - 2:57:46
12:41 duration2005 words

Consciousness

"so we brought up consciousness a few times there's several things i want to kind of disentangle there so one you've recently wrote a paper titled consciousness religion and gurus pitfalls of psychedel..."

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2:57:46 - 3:07:53
10:06 duration1718 words

Panpsychism

"so i am very hopeful that and so i i mean i'm a radical empiricist which i'm i'm very strong with with that like that's what you know so you know science isn't about ultimately being a materialist it'..."

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3:07:53 - 3:17:55
10:01 duration1738 words

Aliens and DMT

"indulge me for a second oh uh this is a joke look at what we've been talking about like okay no all the seatbelt on all of this is assigned all of that despite the the caveats about armchair i think i..."

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3:17:55 - 3:27:45
9:50 duration1844 words

Mortality

"yeah uh so speaking of uh the finiteness of our existence on on in this world uh so on the front of psychedelics and teaching you lessons as a researcher as a human being what have you learned about d..."

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3:27:45 - 3:35:00
7:14 duration1222 words

Meaning of life

"meaning to this thing we got going on uh life existence on earth to us individuals a psychedelic's researcher perspective or from just a human perspective those those merge together for me because it'..."