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"pragmaticinstitute.com/lenny. Aperna thank you so much for being here and welcome to the podcast. Thank you Lenny. Thanks for having me. when I asked a lot of people that work with you uh what I shoul..."

"serious again. So, you worked at most of your career at a lot of consumer internet companies. You worked at Google, Robin Hood. You're on the board of eBay, on the board of Capital 1. Now you're at Mi..."

"bucket of this other this the the bus that Vanam's riding on of governance and I, don't know, adoption, and, changing behavior and stuff is there something you've learned about how to get past that he..."

"like you know that's what empowers all these product building to happen but I want to push us to think about what does a frontier product look like uh and more importantly how does a frontier way of w..."

"agents. I know you're spending a lot of time in agents. Feels like you're not an AI company these days if you're not working on agents or building an agent. Lenny, we're doing this wrong. We didn't yo..."

"then you you you look at the dimension of almost like autonomy and delegation and intelligence as the intelligence for example when deep reasoning unlock happened. Of course, then you could say you ca..."

"think about agents, I think about three things. one is is an increasing um level of autonomy and kind of uh independence that you can delegate higher and higher order tasks. Second thing I think of it..."

"agents, there's this acronym that you taught me as we were chatting ahead of this podcast, uh NLX. What is that and how does that relate to uh agents and why are people not thinking about this enough?..."

"that's um that I think about a lot is showing the work, right? Progress. You see this with uh uh different products right? You see with the co-pilot, you see with JBT, DeepC, this idea of thinking alo..."

"path here. This resonates a lot with when we had Kevin Wheel on the podcast he talked about this question of just how much to show about what you're saying and you know uh and it's interesting that De..."

"statement uh that I say internally and externally and I I'm trying to live it is that in this day and age if you're not prototyping and building to see what you want to build I think you're doing it w..."

"yeah I just made it up but yes okay cool uh this idea of prototyping as being kind of core to building these days. Is there anything you do within Microsoft to operationalize that and make that just l..."

"Okay, let's talk about product management. There's this uh fear that emerged as soon as all these AI coding tools came out of just like PMs are dead. We don't need PMs. We could just build things ours..."

"there's a there's an interesting side effect I am observing in you know startups that I'm advising companies and even within the companies that there's there used to be more gatekeeping I would say in..."

"which is WWXD. I call it what would X do like I use to say hey um what would uh Satya think about like this particular set of uh uh conversations or ideas that we're pitching and so on. This is the po..."

"last point is so important that we've tried these tools over the years and it many like so far it hasn't been amazing and, then, all, of a, sudden, it, is, and, you kind of don't know that and you've ..."

"hey, what why are we like here's like a specific insight that I saw on Twitter and like you can count on the fact that he's ahead of pretty much everybody else in terms of spotting those early things ..."

"that's either postp productduct market fit or even at least like in this roughly in the ball ballpark. So to give you a couple of examples, right? I think when we when you look at the solve stage, the..."

"first of all right like you kind of u I mean CTR when you have like thousand people doesn't mean anything. Uh you know retention also may not mean anything. So really being very wary of like this uh b..."

"on and suddenly when storage became free and mostly free and everybody had phones everywhere all all the time. You took pictures of everything, right? And then you had like enough of pictures or you u..."

"to do it today. Absolutely. Awesome. And you didn't mention Robin Hood, I think in that example. That was another good example of Yeah. Yeah. I mean, talk about the business model of kind of uh again ..."

"know it's interesting the framing. Uh so I'm a daily user of GitHub copilot. uh and I would say look uh the the if you unpack I think the thing the the beauty of this is that code generation is become..."

"all competitors to the fact of u they're not all kind of um uh you know uh doing the same job. I think when you're at the end of the day like you're building uh code for companies to run on, you need ..."

"around the corner and kind of seeing where where things go and building the product to rise to the occasion uh way more than you you know the the scaling and s sustaining uh products second it's harsh..."

"It's such a great story because because it didn't work out right in the end like Google now kind of went away, right? And by the way, I super remember that product. It was very cool. I remember lookin..."

"other times you just have to start over is Google now the first agent before agents that's what it feels like that was certainly the idea uh you know inter but it is fascinating to me that the interfa..."

"what any one of us or any few of us can uh produce. Well, I need to hear more about this. What do you when do you imagine a co-working space of humans and agents? What does this look like? Is this lik..."

"round. Are you ready? Let's do it. Let's do it. First question, what are two or three books that you find yourself recommending most to other people? Oh, I have recency bias, but I've been reading thi..."

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