"Today I am happy to welcome Tim Kuran to the network CA podcast and Professor Kuran is author of private truths public lies and I've cited him many times over the years uh for people who want to under..."

"hiding one's actual uh preference from the uh from the public. Uh but also uh and this is very important. This second component is extremely important. It involves uh pretending to like someone someth..."

"people are afraid of being labeled as uh racist, as misogynist, sensitive, etc. And the people who are pushing hard for eliminating standardized tests are quite powerful. They may falsify their they m..."

"their reinstatement. You have to pretend that you accept all the arguments made by the opponents of standardized uh testing. So, one thing that I remember, you know, from your book that I thought was ..."

"people there there are people in in uh society. This was certainly the case in uh Eastern uh Europe before the fall of the Berlin wall. There were people who did not believe uh the uh the lies that th..."

"blood had been spilled you know against the evil capitalists, what you want to let them back in. These selfish, crazy capitalists, are you a traitor? So, it got mixed up with nationalism and you had t..."

"that these free markets uh worked. They pretended the many uh many communist uh leaders pretended that they were implementing central planning when they knew very well that the only way to approximate..."

"like if you included shelter and like the the rise in costs of loans and other kinds of things, actual inflation rates like in double digits or some something along those lines, right? So, he was he w..."

"that there are many many numbers that are faked and they can imagine they can imagine that if the if the uh press is has been systematically hiding the uh the explanation for COVID if it if it uh uh i..."

"where the guys who put out true information where they were downgrading US debt. They got retaliated against. Right. Then Bernani said QE isn't money printing. Powell saying it was Greenspan saying th..."

"very severe dispute over of course Trump in his own way has a reality TV of um many things in particular like you know a lot of the stuff around trade and tariff tariffs and so on and so forth is is i..."

"you know you know the concept of gel man amnesia by uh Michael Fryen. >> No. >> Okay. So he has this concept which is uh which you'll like. He basically says you know there's this great physicist that..."

">> or or at least at least it comports with one's worldview. view even, right? And then then the tricky part though is of course social media itself is not a panacea because uh you have um you have lo..."

"animate, everything that every machine in a factory, every camera, all of that can actually also be gated by cryptography, the same crypto as as as Bitcoin. It doesn't, to be clear, it doesn't cover t..."

"you have suggested but perhaps uh I I can talk about other methods >> like basian truth serum >> similar methods that are used to predict to measure private opinion in an environment where private opi..."

"anonymity in repressive environments. It's difficult to be convincing. >> Yeah. So, so, so I mean the thing about it is >> I go ahead. >> Yeah. Repressive regimes know that there's a great deal of pre..."

"the system got got established and students at at uh Leipig learned that uh there were no reprisals, they uh this information became valuable and the information not that there was no preference falsi..."

"but the preferences of people in their so uh of their the preferences of their acquaintances or uh in their in their communities. Yes, >> that's so that's uh so I'm filling with Bashian truth serum wh..."

"um wants no debt, right? And uh you know, actually, you know, Christianity also >> no interest based debts. >> Sorry. Sorry. No interest based debt. Correct. You're right. I'm more precise. Christiani..."

"anymore. Everybody goes back to what they can touch and feel with their hands. Sort of a tribal kind of order, right? So the so almost like phase one is publicized private truths and phase two is this..."

">> I see that's interesting so um the that so you know it's it's interesting some of the comparative stuff you know I've I've been I need to learn more about, you know, the basically Middle Eastern ec..."

"that potential is is there. I don't think there's any quick fix. I don't think that in in a region where you don't have a single uh uh democracy at the moment where religious freedoms are quite uh qui..."

"mistaken You had you had uh conflicts uh with among elites >> as distinct from civil society. >> Yeah. Distinct from civil society. Uh there there was constant angling among the elites, people in the ..."

"Qaeda is another example. The Muslim Brotherhood is another example. They are groups that uh that oppose the oppose the mainstream variant of Islam in a particular geographic uh area for being too rel..."

"than 1% and uh now there's uh universal literacy women go to uh school in fact more women I I believe uh this is true for Saudi Arabia as well are in are in college than uh uh than men and they are th..."

"another >> so that so that's a part that's a part where at least what I'm observing is that you have more like for lack of a term tech libertarian secular you know uh people in Dubai and Riad >> absol..."

"uh religious opposition to them is uh uh minimal if not non-existent. You can under classical Islamic law you could not establish a corporation. There's no such thing as a fictitious individual that w..."

"making Islamic law extremely individualistic. That was the reason why there's no concept of uh corporation. And uh so uh the uh the uh and and the reason why the concept of a corporation was not even ..."

"it and AI and and crypto go together because like crypto and the blockchain that's the kind of money that's kind of property that AIS can natively interact with um now how you you want to have what th..."