"the following is a conversation with George Hotz he's the founder of comma AI a machine learning based vehicle automation company he is most certainly an outspoken personality in the field of AI and t..."

"my conversation with George Hotz do you think we're living in a simulation yes but it may be unfalsifiable what do you mean by unfalsifiable so if the simulation is designed in such a way that they di..."

"yeah you've done quite a bit of hacking yourself and so you should know that really any complicated system will have ways in and out so this isn't necessarily true going forward I spent my time away f..."

"no idea how good their tooling is and we have no idea how complicated the universe computer really is it may be quite simple it's just very large right it's very it's definitely very large but the fun..."

"assume I would have acquired way more intelligence in the process of doing that so I'll just ask that so the the thinking upwards what kind of ideas what kind of breakthrough ideas do you think thinki..."

"in the real world well it's all relative isn't it because others will have very nice departments too so you'll be inferior in the virtual world that's not how I view the world right I don't view the w..."

"like how men chips are connected to processors and he knew about software and programming he didn't didn't know I'll really see you the view of the world and computers was physical was the most hard w..."

"this is finally usable how do you pronounce this kira-kira yeah so it's essentially the most efficient way to visualize the change of state of the computer as the program is running that's what I mean..."

"rewind why isn't that maybe it is maybe you can educate me what isn't that kind of debugging used more often ah because the tooling is bad well two things one if you're trying to debug chrome chrome i..."

"heyday seat yeah by the way but was it what decade are we talking about I think like I mean maybe I'm biased because it's the era that that that I played but like 2011 to 2015 because the modern CTF s..."

"not a criminal but okay let me uh that's having a discussion with somebody just at a high level about nuclear weapons actually why we're having blowing ourselves up yet and my feeling is all the smart..."

"actually are yeah I understand that's what you tell me it is but what does it do man and you have nice visualization tools to really know what it's really doing oh I wish I'm a better programmer now t..."

"but classical well somehow I picked up Python that semester as well I started using it for the CTS actually that's when I really started to get into CTF and CTF you're all to race against the clock so..."

"just curious about the security efforts in these companies well product zero started the same time I I went there what what years are there 2015 2015 so that was right at the beginning of project it's..."

"so cool I love that deadlines though that's so cool give him real deadlines yeah and I think it's done a lot for moving the industry forward I watched your coding sessions on the stream downline you c..."

"exaggerate it a bit on the edge games as well the twitch streams I mean what do you want to see a game or you want to see actions permit me right I'll show you a PM for programming yes I recommend peo..."

"reason it's very good is because that was the fourth version of it that I wrote and I had three versions that I threw away you mentioned you see go I ready go yeah and go so is that a functional langu..."

"lacking so what's what's in your toolbox these days is a Python what else go I need to move on something else but my adventure interdependently type languages I love these languages they just have lik..."

"yeah interesting if Tom's vehicles will run on JavaScript one day I mean you have to consider these possibilities well all our debug tools are JavaScript we actually just open-source them we have a to..."

"yeah sure so I was working at this AI startup and a friend approached me and he's like dude I don't know where this is going but the coolest applied AI problem today is self-driving cars I'm like well..."

"pause on that I'm also curious about this because I've been working on robotics for a long time and I'm curious to see a person like you just step in and sort of somewhat naive but brilliant right so ..."

"not I left that meeting with Elon like beating myself up I'm like why did I say something stupid yeah you haven't given I'm at least like thought through every aspect yes he's very sharp too like usua..."

"robust so what how how hard is the problem we need to when you tackled it I think a p1 was great like Elon talked about dis engagements on the 405 down in LA we'd like the lane marks were kind of fade..."

"feature yeah and in a way it's the only feature that actually adds value to people's lives and autonomous vehicles today way mode does not add value to people's lives it's a more expensive lower slowe..."

"it yeah yeah does do you think well you have to do the longitudinal as well you can't just Lane keep you have to do a cc but a cc is much more forgiving than lanky especially on the highway oh by the ..."

"no software open pilot right now is about to be 0.6 when it gets to 1.0 I think we'll be ready for a consumer product we're not gonna add any new features we're just gonna make the lane-keeping really..."

"to control vehicles so we proxy the vehicles that we work with already have Lane Keeping Assist system so Lane Keeping Assist can mean a huge variety of things it can mean it will apply a small torque..."

"car with open pilot it just came out there the actuator has less lag than the older Corolla I think I started watching video with your eye the way you make videos is awesome literally the dealerships ..."

"I get yacht I don't I got and I think Tesla's actually has a small inkling of that as well with autonomy day they did reveal more than I mean of course there's marketing communications you can tell bu..."

"their usual safety driver during full autonomy kind of testing and then Tesla does basically trying to go from lane-keeping to full autonomy what do you think about that approach how successful would ..."

"actually collecting as much days people think but the ability to turn on collection and turn it off so I'm both in the robotics world in the the psychology human factors world many people believe that..."

"driver monitoring that you can't cheat what's like a successful driver monitoring system look like it's keep its is it all buzz just keeping your eyes on the road um well a few things so that's what w..."

"biggest problem I'll show you I can show you one of the pictures from from our finder system awesome so you're basically saying the driver monitoring will be the answer to that um I think the other po..."

"what this is all I think about it's because I think I think actually Tesla has done a better job than most automakers at making that frictionless but you just described that it could be even better I ..."

"uh I don't often talk to people that because it's such a rare car unfortunately they bought one yes possibly for us we lost like by 25k the deprecation but a Philips worth it I was very pleasantly sur..."

"end of the year hopefully he's like okay I was wrong I'm gonna add driver monitoring because when these systems get to the point that they're only messing up once every thousand miles you absolutely n..."

"I agree that it's high P it's just like you know what if you under I've am wondering I think I rented a my last autopilot experience was I rented a model three in march and drove it around the wheel t..."

"look off-road you'll start warning you it's some ridiculously long period of time and just the way it I think it's basically it's a binary chili adapter it yeah it's it just needs to learn more about ..."

"a like signpost yes that ecology um so you have to fuse you have to do this visually there's no way from the radar data to tell the difference maybe you could make a map but I really believe in mappin..."

"simulators really cool our simulator is not it's not like a unity based simulator our simulator lets us load in real estate what I mean we can load in a drive and simulate what the system would have d..."

"you're trying to learn the dead driving does not have a spec the definition of driving is what humans do when they drive whatever way mode does I don't think it's driving right well I think if you win..."

"derivatives maybe those second derivatives right that's human understandable that's physical the between perception and planning um so like way Moe has a perception stack and then a planner um and one..."

"there's the different objects in the scene and different objects in the scene over time maybe to give you input to then try to start modeling the trajectories of those objects sure that's it I can giv..."

"true yes I'll tell you what the output of our perception system is was that it's a thousand it's a thousand twenty four dimensional vector training underling oh no not it's a thousand twenty four dime..."

"something you think about oh I want to win self-driving cars so you're really your definition of win includes level of fool five level five I don't think level four is a real thing I want to build I w..."

"would you give to Tessa how to fix how to improve navigate an autopilot the lessons you've learned from Kamiya the only real advice I would give to Tesla is please put driver monitoring in your cars w..."

"amount of data the the reality is though not every problem could be turned into a learning problem in the short term in the end everything would be a learning problem the reality is like if you want t..."

"will bet you even money even money I'll bet you as much as you want so are you worried about what's going to happen because you're not in full agreement on that I was going to happen when 2022 21 come..."

"cars in an area they only need to be safe with respect to each other and all the humans will need to learn to adapt to them now go drive in downtown New York oh yeah that's already you can talk about ..."

"gonna disable no safety features in the car um actually I think it'd be really cool we're doing right now our project this week is we're analyzing the data set and looking for all the AEP triggers fro..."

"not gonna be the email the email is gonna be hey do you have some time in the next month where we can sit down and we can I don't have time for that we're moving too fast yeah you could politely respo..."

"else's not so maybe not Tesla's I think Tesla has similar stuff to us actually yeah I think Tesla's similar stuff but when you compare it to like what the Toyota Research Institute has you're not even..."

"how else did I get that model good one of the things too about the simulator oh yeah yeah this is super exciting that's super exciting and uh but like you know I listened to your talk with Kyle and Ky..."

"is that that's right so you you know a musk who else who else is thinking like this and working like this in your view who are the competitors are there people seriously I don't think anyone that I'm ..."

"crutch see sometimes we'll say dumb things like the driver monitoring thing but sometimes we'll say absolutely completely 100% obviously true things yeah of course lidar is a crutch it's not even a go..."

"under tree cover and stuff flatter I can do it pretty easily see really they're not taking on I mean in some research they're doing they're using it for perception but and they're certainly not which ..."

"about the long game if everybody fell five is a lot is requires fifty years I think when will be the only one left standing at the end with the forgiving the financial backing if they have Google box ..."

"drivers and you have riders self-driving cars you have capital and you have riders there's no network effect if I want to blanket a new city in self-driving cars i buy the off-the-shelf Chinese knocko..."

"carefully balance a market there's a great first mover advantage because there's a switching cost for everybody right the drivers and the riders would have to switch at the same time let's even say th..."

"why you have 10 different scooter companies yeah which one's gonna win it's a race to the bottom it's terrible market to begin because there's no market for scooters and scooters don't get a say and w..."

"how you beat uber the the human driven cars in terms of financially it doesn't it doesn't make sense to me that people want to want to get an autonomous vehicle I don't understand how you make money i..."

"mo they put Cruz is three years behind way mo hmm that means Google will get a monopoly on the technology for at most three years and technology works you might not even be right about the three years..."

"seriously mess up for us because you're okay so the way you leapfrog right is you come up with an idea or you take a direction perhaps secretly that the other people aren't taking and so cruise way mo..."

"conditions really well or revolutionist simulation to where the the what you said before becomes incorrect that kind of thing I knew room for breakthrough innovation um what I said before about oh the..."

"right because then you know the speed they go at so so that's the static driving problem Maps only helps you with the static driving problem yeah the question about static driving yeah you just made i..."

"wanted to take this exit and it went straight so I'm just gonna carefully touch the wheel humans the humans catch them and the human disengagement is labeling that reinforcement learning in a complete..."

"chance to talk to you on and and he he basically said that the human factor doesn't matter you know the human doesn't matter because the system will perform there would be sort of a sorry to use the t..."

"level 2 and we have a rigorous safety model I mean not like like okay rigorous who knows what that means but we at least have a safety model and we make it explicit is in safety MD and open pilot and ..."

"communicated to our users two more things one is the user must be able to easily take control of the vehicle at all times mm-hmm so if you step on the gas or brake with open pilot it gives full manual..."

"lot of experience there's sometimes a little too cautious but in this case it pays off miss was written by like computer scientists and you tell them as a language they use you can tell by the languag..."

"and then one that works it works in each scale our burn rate is about 200k a month and our revenue is about 100k a month so we need to 4x our revenue but uh we haven't like tried very hard at that yet..."

"yeah I did it once I almost regret it doing the first of it well on a small tangent what's your you seem to not like Fame and yet you're also drawn to fame what were you on we're on you where are you ..."

"respect the people who are like writing the infrastructure of the world like the linus torvalds and the chris lab they're doing the real work I know they're doing the real work this every dog that Chr..."

"not even a company at that point like I don't think of it like I don't personify it I think of it like an object but a trucker drives for a fleet maybe that has like some truckers are independent some..."

"driver monitoring - yeah which I think actually were the short-term value if you can get right I still I'm not a huge fan of the statement that everything is to have driver monitoring but will I agree..."

"fact I usually like when I eat lunch I'll sit especially when the weather is good and just watch pedestrians with an eye to understand like from a computer vision I just to see can this model can you ..."

"it nice escape route okay but proud level - I'm proud level - I love it so the other thing that people cope you know have some concern about with AI in general is hacking so how hard is it do you thin..."

"AI too so let's think out of the box and some things so do you think teleoperation has a role in any of this so remotely stepping in and controlling the cars no I think that if safety if the safety op..."

"mean that like I think that what gives my life meaning is work I don't mean that every minute of the day you should be working I actually think this is not the best way to maximize results I think tha..."

"but there's I don't know if you've watched it just watched the black mirror episode i watch the one year yeah yeah oh the the Ashley - one way da no where there's two friends were having sex with each..."

"yeah I would really like to fall in love with with with the machine do you see yourself having a long-term relationship of the kind monogamous relationship that we have now with a robot with a a AI sy..."

"oh you don't think there's room for another human in your life if you really truly merge with another machine I mean I see merging I see like the best interface to my brain is like the same relationsh..."

"horrify but if I am with somebody and I'll use a somebody who is making a super sophisticated model of me and then running simulations on that model I'm not gonna get into the question whether the sim..."