"the following is a conversation with Mark Zuckerberg his second time in this podcast he's the CEO of meta that owns Facebook Instagram and WhatsApp all services used by billions of people to connect w..."

"Zuckerberg so you competed in your first e just turn and me as a fellow Jiu-Jitsu practitioner and competitor I think that's really inspiring given all the things you have going on so I gotta ask what..."

"failing okay right so I mean the main thing like people who who train Jiu-Jitsu it's like you need to not have pride because I mean all the stuff that you were talking about before about you know gett..."

"like I mentioned that fear that anxiety could be there it could creep up every once in a while do you do you feel that in especially stressful moments sort of outside of the jism at just in work stres..."

"probably the the big thing so when there's tension in in that inner circle of of close folks so when you trust those folks to help you make difficult decisions about uh Facebook WhatsApp Instagram the..."

"just one person doing it are there people that disagree often within that group it's a fairly combative group okay so combat is part of it so this is making decisions on design engineering uh policy e..."

"the top player but um but I'm also smaller right I'm not I'm not like a a heavyweight guy right so from that perspective I think like you know it's especially because you know if I'm doing a competiti..."

"and I think for a lot of people that um that ends up being sort of a differen maker between the people you know who who who kind of get the most done and and not I mean there's all these questions abo..."

"Finesse is more important yeah what are your Jiu-Jitsu life lessons well I think you did it you made it sound so simple and we so eloquent that it's easy to miss but basically being okay and accepting..."

"is a big part of that uh meta has developed llama which is a 65 billion parameter model uh there's a lot of interesting questions they can ask here one of which has to do with open source but first ca..."

"of of AI part of this is we want to have the best people in the world researching this and um and a lot of the best people want to know that they're going to be able to share their work so that's part..."

"but overall I mean this is I I just kind of think that that it would be good if there were a lot of different folks who had the ability to build state-of-the-art technology here you know it's and not ..."

"what the whole community of students and um and hackers and startups and and different folks um build with this and that's kind of that's kind of been how we've approached this and it's also we've don..."

"that it's just released to research we shared it with researchers right so it's just trying to make sure that there's like a slow release yeah uh but from there I just would love to get your comment o..."

"so you know now even when we run our own versions of it um we can do it on way less compute and it just way more efficient save a lot of money um for everyone who who uses this so that that is is is g..."

"Frontier AI models and I I I think as the IM models start approaching something that's like a super human intelligence I that's a bigger question that we'll have to Grapple with but right now I mean t..."

"secure and safer um than things that are kind of developed in a silo where people try to get through security through obscurity so I think that for the scale of of of what we're seeing now with AI I t..."

"tension and the other one is uh do you want to put a powerful tool in the hands of uh Bad actors even though it probably has a huge amount of positive impact also yeah I mean again I think for the sta..."

"not I'm certainly not saying that the position that we're taking on this now applies to every single thing that we would ever do and you know certainly inside the company and we probably do more open ..."

"so on this is I mean we were talking about the debates that we have internally and I think um I think the question is how to do it right I mean it's I think we you know we did the research license for..."

"know different things around you know how do you fine-tune models to make them more aligned and safer and you see all the different data recipes that um you you mentioned a lot of different projects t..."

"I've talked to Yan about a bunch um and you we were talking about how do you basically train these models to be as as safe and and aligned and responsible as possible and you know different groups out..."

"conversation with Jimmy Wales the founder of Wikipedia and to me Wikipedia is one of the greatest websites ever created and is a kind of a miracle that it works and I think it has to do with something..."

"just like you said it's a very new and a very open research problem yeah and I think that there's also a lot of questions about whether the current architecture for llms as you continue scaling it wha..."

"a lot of folks and on top of that when you start to have hundreds of millions of people potentially using a product that integrates that you can start to see civilization transforming effects before y..."

"I don't know if you know but uh you know what is it over three billion people use WhatsApp Facebook and Instagram uh so any kind of AI fueled products that go into that like we're talking about anythi..."

"tools to be able to amplify themselves more and be able to do that um but but you only have 24 hours in a a day so um so I think having the ability to basically like bottle up your personality and um ..."

"and also enabling just enabling people to create them really easily for the you know for to for your own business or if you're a Creator to to be able to help you engage with your fans and I I think t..."

"um you know and you know if only just empirically looking at Microsoft released this thing called Chia I several years ago I in in China it was a pre-m chatbot technology that so was a lot simpler um ..."

"beyond that um and there are all these different flavors of kind of personal AIS that I think could exist so I think an assistant is sort of the the kind of simplest one to wrap your head around but u..."

"questions is like okay is this all going to just get bucketed into you know One Singular AI I just I just don't I don't think so do you think about this actually a question from Reddit uh what the lon..."

"um there are all these impediments and language is an imperfect way for people to express thoughts and ideas it's you know one of the best that we have we have that we have art we have code but langua..."

"generated first and then edited I mean so you don't have to remember how to write specifics of different functions oh but that's great and it's also it's not just the the specific coding I mean in the..."

"the stuff that they did it's a it's a weird tradeoff yeah I agree I mean I think it's I think it is very valuable in your life to be able to do basic things too do you worry about some of the um conce..."

"to me right I mean I I don't think people should be able to have coordinated networks and not disclose it as such um but that again you know we've been able to deploy pretty sophisticated Ai and you k..."

"well you can basically use large language models as an assistant of how to cause harm on social network so you can ask it a question um you know meta has very impressive coordinated inauthentic accoun..."

"information is is out there um and for for these you know what we see is like for nation states or you know these actors that are trying to pull off these large you know coordinated and authentic netw..."

"lost absolutely and that's a that's a scary thing some of the magic some of the edges the rough edges might be lost to the process of moderation of AI systems uh so how do you get that right I I I rea..."

"implications but there hadn't been time to fully vet a bunch of the scientific assumptions and you know unfortunately I think a lot of the kind of establishment on that um you know kind of waffled on ..."

"politics about what is and isn't harmful there's a even just the degree to which the virus is harmful and the degree to which the vaccines the respond to the virus are harmful there's just there's a a..."

"stuff I think the it's really hard to know where to draw the line on what is fact and what is opinion because the nature of science is that nothing is ever 100% known for certain you can disprove cert..."

"we have we have a bunch of um principles around how we deal with that because on on the one hand if there's a you know democratically elected government and people around the world just have different..."

"that question is if you've seen the Twitter files uh what have you learned from the kind of uh pressure from US government agencies that was seen in Twitter files and what do you do with that kind of ..."

"mean I I just you know in terms of running these Services want have access to as much information about what people think that adversaries might be trying to do as possible well so you don't feel like..."

"debate and I and I understand it right I mean these you know these these kind of questions get to really some of the most important social debates that that that are that are being had so um it gets b..."

"to be upset no matter where you come out on that yeah I like that pressurized debate uh so how's your view of the freedom of speech evolved over the years um and now with AI where the freedom might ap..."

"are those but then there's also a very active core of just active disagreements in society where some people may think that something is true or false the other side might think it's the opposite or j..."

"should not have people on our services that are that are that are being controversial that's that's certainly not what I mean to say um it's that often I think it's not just looking at a specific exam..."

"either assume good intent like maybe the person didn't know and I'm just going to help educate them or you could like kind of come at it as like no I need to shut this thing down immediately right it'..."

"interesting but so what's the uh release the launch date of that again or uh what's the official website and uh well we don't have that yet okay but I um all right and and look I mean I don't know exa..."

"struck me I I always thought that you know Twitter should have a billion people using it or whatever the thing is that um that that that basically ends up being in that space and for whatever combinat..."

"you're seeing all these other things whether it's Mastadon or um or or blue sky um that that I think are you know maybe just different different cuts at the same thing but you I think through the last..."

"into this because I think one thing that I've learned is that everyone has opinions on what you should do and like running the company you see a lot of specific nuances on things that are not apparent..."

"one where I think he was um quite ahead of of a bunch of the the other compan is on and and and you know what he was doing there you again from the outside very hard to know it's like okay did he did ..."

"able to continue investing in these long-term ambitious projects that we have around you know continuing to push AI forward and continuing to push forward all the metaverse work and in order to do tha..."

"those are just examples but it's um but how do you find that balance that's really tough yeah no but that's it's a constant equilibrium that you're that you're searching for yeah how many managers to ..."

"are lots of different cuts on this question I mean I think when an organization is growing quickly one of the big questions that teams face is do I hire this person who's in front of me now because th..."

"does right so yeah for people who there are all these people who have special skills and want to live in a place where we don't have an office are we better off having them at the company absolutely r..."

"that that is in in a lot of ways an extremely hard technical problem because you know we don't just have the ability to put an unlimited amount of Hardware unless we needed to basically deliver someth..."

"unlock a lot of different content and I think it'll also just make the experience more comfortable for a set of people who didn't want to have only fully immersive experiences I think if you want expe..."

"headset called Vision Pro for $3,500 available in early 2024 what do you think about this headset well I saw the materials um when they launched I I haven't gotten a chance to play with it yet so so s..."

"a very that could be quite good um and then obviously over time the companies are just focused on somewhat different things right Apple has always um you know I think focused on building really kind o..."

"so there gaming wasn't a big part of the presentation which is interesting it feels like mixed reality gaming is such a big part of that it was interesting to see it missing in the presentation well w..."

"think that there is a use case for that for sure but I just think that they're they they've the companies we've basically made different design trade-offs to to get to um the use cases that we're tryi..."

"structure for which our neocortex which is this powerful Machinery is basically just a kind of prediction and reasoning engine to help it kind of like our our very simple brain um decide how to plan a..."

"that's a research problem but I do think that to some degree these are are somewhat are somewhat separable things I love the distinction between intelligence and autonomy and and the metaphor within N..."

"the two it's interesting I think the way you put it uh you put it well that there's a different discussion now than when we get closer to the uh to development of super intelligence of of the benefits..."

"company you know it acts as an entity it has you know a singular brand um obviously it's a collection of people but I I certainly hope that you know meta with tens of thousands of people make smarter ..."

"is an exciting World we're living in and that you're at the Forefront of developing uh one of the ways you keep yourself humble like we mentioned with jiu-jitsu is doing some uh really difficult chall..."

"that is a separate thing uh so one of the features of of being human is that we're mortal we die uh we've talked about AI a lot about potentially replicas of ourselves uh do you think there will be AI..."

"whether there is a Lex AI well I'm open- sourcing The Lex so uh you're a man of Faith what what role has Faith played in your life and your understanding of the world and your understanding of your ow..."

"um you know it's almost autopilot when you're a kid you're in the kind of getting imparted two phase of your life but and and I I didn't really think about religion that much for a while um you know I..."