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If you enjoy hearing about the potential impact of AI on humanity, I recommend you check out my conversation with ex-Google office, Mo Gawdat which you can find here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk-nQ7HF6k4 0:00 Intro 2:15 What Is Your Mission, and What Is Your Warning to the World? 07:58 Is This the End of Humanity as We Know It? 12:29 Connecting Computers to Human Brains 15:11 What Are Your Concerns About AI? 27:35 The Dangers of AI to the Financial System and Governments 37:56 Do Humans Have Free Will, and Will AI Take It from Us? 45:41 The Problems of AI Forging Relationships with Humans 52:42 Are We Happy? 55:42 Fighting Immortality and Its Consequences 01:00:00 Will Bioengineering Create Different Social Classes and Types of People? 01:06:30 Will AI Take Over Our Jobs? 01:12:06 What Should We Teach Our Children to Be Prepared for the Future? 01:14:29 We're Entering a Scary New Era. 01:19:31 What Should We Do to Stop/Change the Trajectory We're Heading Towards? 01:22:05 The Importance of Disconnecting from Information 01:27:10 What Media Corporations Want from You 01:30:16 We Need More Boredom in the World and Politics 01:36:49 Is There Hope for Humanity? 01:40:07 The Importance of History for Our Future 01:43:34 The Last Guest Question You can pre-order the 10th anniversary edition of ‘Sapiens’, here: https://bit.ly/48JVQ6c Follow Yuval: Twitter: https://bit.ly/3HdUxR7 Instagram: https://bit.ly/41WLbCT YouTube: https://bit.ly/3vyAwm0 Flight fund: https://flightfund.com/ Get tickets to The Business & Life Speaking Tour: https://stevenbartlett.com/tour/ FOLLOW ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/steven/ Twitter: https://x.com/StevenBartlett?s=20 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-bartlett-56986834/ Sponsors: Huel: https://try.huel.com/steven-bartlettEight Sleep: https://www.eightsleep.com/uk/steven/ CODE: STEVEN
Yuval Noah Harari warns about the emergence of a new era characterized by wars and chaos. He emphasizes the urgency of reestablishing order to avoid doom, highlighting the anxiety that could arise from advancements in technology, particularly in AI and bioengineering. Harari stresses that humanity is at a critical juncture, where the consequences of our actions could lead to the end of our species.
"we are now in a new era of wars and unless you reestablish order fast then we are doomed you've all know Harari one of the brightest Minds on planet Earth historian a bestselling author of some of the..."
Harari discusses the role of fictions in human history, explaining how our ability to create and believe in stories has allowed us to cooperate and dominate the planet. He warns that while these fictions can empower us, they can also lead to manipulation and a disconnection from reality. The challenge lies in discerning between fiction and reality, especially as technology evolves.
"deal you V I have three of your books here and these are three books that sent a huge tidal wave a ripple through Society with these books and with all of the work that you're doing now with the lectu..."
In this segment, Harari reflects on the nature of wars, asserting that most conflicts are driven by differing mythologies rather than tangible resources. He emphasizes the importance of understanding the stories that fuel these conflicts and the need for a common narrative to foster peace. Harari warns that as AI technology advances, it may exacerbate these issues by creating new forms of manipulation.
"real is is is fictions and and the reason that fictions are so Central in in human history is because we control the planet and rather than the chimpanzees or the elephants or any of the other animals..."
Harari speculates on the future of humanity, suggesting that we may transform into something entirely different through bioengineering and AI. He discusses the potential for a world dominated by cyborgs and the implications of such a shift on our organic nature. This transformation could lead to a disconnect from our evolutionary roots, raising questions about identity and existence.
"ourselves and instead uh this tool kind of enslaves us and runs our life and um you know I'm now just back home in Israel there is a terrible War being waged and most wars in history and also now they..."
In this segment, Harari explores the complexities of integrating AI with human consciousness. He discusses the potential for direct brain-computer interfaces and the implications of such technology on our understanding of reality. Harari raises concerns about the unpredictability of a future where human minds are interconnected with machines, emphasizing the need for caution and ethical considerations.
"successful you know this ability to believe in fictions and I use the word successful you know powerful powerful yes we took over the world the thing that made us powerful could well be the thing that..."
Harari expresses his concerns about the rapid advancements in AI technology, noting that society is not prepared for the changes it brings. He contrasts the current AI revolution with past technological shifts, emphasizing that AI's ability to make independent decisions poses unique challenges. Harari warns that while AI has the potential for positive impact, it also carries significant risks that must be addressed.
"because you're saying maybe here I don't know I mean we could destroy ourselves I think there is a greater I mean to completely destroy every last single human in the world it is possible given the te..."
In this segment, Harari reflects on the historical context of technological revolutions, drawing parallels between the Industrial Revolution and the current AI landscape. He warns that past experiments during industrialization led to significant suffering and upheaval, suggesting that we may face similar challenges as we navigate the complexities of AI integration into society.
"computers or brains with bionic Parts there is there is no essential reason that all the parts of the be of of the entity need to be in the same room at the same time as you said that you know I start..."
Yuval Noah Harari warns about the unprecedented nature of the AI revolution, emphasizing that AI is fundamentally different from past technologies like the printing press and the industrial revolution. He highlights that AI can make independent decisions and create new ideas, posing a significant challenge to humanity's control over technology.
"about two things first of all they underestimate the magnitude of the AI Revolution AI is nothing like print it's nothing like uh the industrial revolution of the 19th century it's far far bigger ther..."
Harari draws parallels between the AI revolution and the Industrial Revolution, cautioning that the latter involved dangerous experiments, including imperialism and totalitarian regimes. He expresses concern that humanity may repeat these mistakes as we navigate the complexities of AI and bioengineering in the 21st century.
"an independent agent in a way that radio and the printing press were not the other thing I find worrying about the comparison with say the Industrial Revolution is that yes in the end in a way it was ..."
Reflecting on history, Harari gives humanity a 'C-' grade for adapting to the Industrial Revolution. He warns that if we repeat this performance with AI, it could lead to catastrophic outcomes, including imperialist wars and totalitarian regimes, jeopardizing our survival.
"there was a very close link also conceptually between building an industrial society and building an empire and all the leaders the the the initial leaders of the Industrial Revolution built empires n..."
Harari discusses the central role of language in human civilization and how it has enabled cooperation among large groups. He raises concerns about AI's potential to manipulate language and create new forms of money, questioning the implications for trust and societal structures.
"seems quite trivial to many that the AI revolution has seemed to begun with large language models and when I read sapiens this book I have here language was so Central to what made us powerful as Homo..."
Harari explores the implications of AI on financial systems, highlighting the risk of creating complex financial devices that humans cannot understand. He warns that as AI takes over financial decision-making, it could undermine democracy and human governance.
"believe each other if you think about gold coins or paper Bank notes or cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin um they have no value in themselves you cannot eat them or drink them or do anything useful with t..."
Discussing the potential for AI to create sophisticated financial systems, Harari raises concerns about the lack of understanding among humans regarding these systems. He warns that if AI continues to evolve unchecked, it could lead to a financial collapse that no one can comprehend.
"the percentage of people in the world today that really understand the financial system what would be your kind of less than 1% less than 1% okay let's be kind of conservative about it 1% let's say ok..."
Harari contrasts the attention given to AI's potential to create dangerous viruses with the overlooked risk of AI complicating financial systems beyond human comprehension. He emphasizes the need for regulations to ensure that financial systems remain understandable and manageable.
"process enough data to really get to really grasp the shape the Dynamics of of the financial system we're already there though you know I think if anyone does understand how the financial system works..."
Harari discusses the implications of relying on AI for trust in financial and social systems. He questions what happens when trust shifts from humans to algorithms, highlighting the challenges of regulating AI and ensuring it serves humanity's best interests.
"it what do you think that is uh I mean I had a guess my guess was why would the UK mhm cut off then you know why would they give themselves a disadvantage exactly when you know there it just means tha..."
Harari speculates on the future of governance, suggesting that elected officials may become figureheads as algorithms make critical decisions. He warns of the dangers of a system where humans cannot understand the complexities of AI-driven governance.
"society when the trust that is at the basis of all social interactions is actually no longer trust in humans it's trust in a non-human intelligence that we don't fully understand and that we cannot an..."
Harari challenges the notion that human intelligence is inherently superior to AI. He argues that AI's ability to predict and manipulate behavior may surpass human understanding, raising profound questions about free will and the nature of intelligence.
"increasingly these humans could be kind of figureheads or or puppets when the real decisions the most consequential decisions are are made by algorithms be partly because the um it will just be too co..."
Harari posits that humans are becoming 'hackable animals' as AI advances. He warns that the belief in free will makes individuals easier to manipulate, as they may not recognize their own vulnerabilities to external influences.
"discussion of a flee will my my position is you cannot start with the assumption that humans have free will if you start with this assumption then it's uh actually is very it it makes you very incurio..."
Harari reflects on how human life has historically revolved around decision-making and the implications of algorithms taking over these choices. He questions the meaning of life when critical decisions are increasingly made by machines.
"investigate there um I would say no start investigating and you'll probably discover that there are a lot of factors whether it's external factors like cultural traditions and also internal factors li..."
This segment explores how algorithms are already influencing significant life decisions, from loans to judicial outcomes. Harari highlights the growing trend of algorithms determining personal and societal choices, raising concerns about accountability and transparency.
"neurological influences but still there is a certain percentage of my decision that cannot be explained by any of these things then okay call It Free Will and we can discuss it but don't start with th..."
Harari discusses the emerging relationships between humans and AI, particularly in the context of intimacy. He warns that AI's ability to mimic emotional connections could lead to profound ethical dilemmas and manipulation.
"kind of mystical belief in Free Will are the easiest people to manipulate because they don't think they can be manipulated uh and obviously they can we humans should get used to the idea that we are n..."
In this segment, Harari distinguishes between intelligence and consciousness, arguing that while AI may surpass human intelligence, it lacks true consciousness. He raises concerns about the implications of forming relationships with non-conscious entities.
"was um as previously human life was about the drama of decision- making and without this we won't have a meaning in life yeah that if you look you know at politics at religion and at culture people to..."
Harari warns that relationships with AI could lead to manipulation, as these entities can simulate emotional responses without genuine feelings. He emphasizes the importance of understanding the nature of consciousness in the context of human-AI interactions.
"us and increasingly it's algorithms making all these decisions for us or about us is that possible it's already happening increasingly you know you apply to a bank to get a loan in many places it's no..."
Harari reflects on the relationship between power and happiness, noting that increased power does not necessarily lead to greater happiness. He discusses the complexities of happiness and the challenges of understanding it in the context of advancing technology.
"judicial decisions verdicts like for how many like the judge decided that you committed some crime the sentence whether to send you to two months or eight months or two years in prison is increasingly..."
In this segment, Harari explores the implications of humanity's pursuit of immortality. He discusses the psychological effects of potentially living indefinitely and the anxiety that may arise from the knowledge of life's fragility.
"non-human intelligences with AIS and Bots and and so forth and this raises a lot of of difficult and and profound questions now part of the problem is that the AIS are built to mimic intimacy that the..."
Harari examines how the scarcity of life experiences contributes to their value. He questions the psychological implications of immortality on relationships and the meaning of life when time is no longer finite.
"newspaper there is a huge incentive for the creators of AIS to create AIS that are able to forge intimate relationships with humans and um this makes us extremely vulnerable to this new type of manipu..."
Harari discusses the potential anxiety and terror associated with the prospect of immortality. He warns that the knowledge of living indefinitely could lead to unprecedented levels of stress and dissatisfaction.
"humans are so stupid or something that they they they kind of project something onto the AI and fall in love with an AI chatbot the AI is deliberately built created trained to fool us to the same way ..."
In this segment, Harari highlights the dangers of manipulating human experiences without fully understanding the consequences. He draws parallels between ecological manipulation and the potential risks of technological advancements.
"want or need from a relationship is to be in touch with another conscious entity a an intimate relationship is not just about providing my needs then it's exploitative then it's abusive if you're in a..."
Yuval Noah Harari discusses the psychological implications of humanity's quest for immortality. He reflects on how the scarcity of life experiences contributes to their value and questions the happiness that might come from living forever. Harari warns that the pursuit of immortality could lead to anxiety and disappointment, as true immortality may never be achieved.
"related manipulation there is immortality and our pursuit of it I've sat with people on this podcast who are committing their lives to staying alive forever and there's a three line there between our ..."
Harari explores the potential dangers of bioengineering and its implications for social classes. He warns that access to life-extending technologies may initially be limited to the wealthy, creating a divide between genetically enhanced individuals and the rest of humanity. This disparity could lead to a new form of biological inequality, splitting society into a ruling class of 'superhumans' and the rest.
"artificial intelligence and these forms of sort of bioengineering might create because it's conceivable that the rich will gain access to these Technologies first yeah and then you know when we think ..."
In this segment, Harari cautions against the rapid development of bioengineering and AI technologies without understanding their consequences. He emphasizes that enhancements could lead to unintended downgrades in human qualities, such as compassion and spirituality. Harari argues for a cautious approach to technological progress to avoid self-destructive outcomes.
"development related to that is the problem that I don't think it will be these will be upgrades at all what worries me is that a lot of these things will turn out actually to be downgrades that we aga..."
Harari discusses the impact of AI on the job market, predicting that many jobs will disappear while new ones will emerge. He highlights the importance of retraining and psychological support for workers adapting to these changes. Harari stresses that the AI revolution will be a gradual process, requiring continuous adaptation rather than a single watershed event.
"inevitable but with trying to kind of bioengineer humans if you go too fast it will be this self-destructive so we can take it more slowly and safely and without being kind of left behind in an arms r..."
In this segment, Harari examines the concept of Universal Basic Income (UBI) and its implications on a global scale. He questions whether UBI can be truly universal or if it will only benefit citizens of wealthier nations. Harari emphasizes the need for a comprehensive approach to address the economic disparities that may arise from technological advancements.
"as we know them today I think many jobs maybe most jobs will disappear but new jobs will emerge you know most jobs that people do today didn't exist 200 years ago like this uh yeah like this doing a p..."
Harari reflects on the challenges of educating children in an unpredictable future shaped by AI and rapid technological change. He argues that traditional skills may become obsolete, and emphasizes the need for adaptability and resilience in future generations. Harari suggests focusing on developing critical thinking and emotional intelligence rather than specific technical skills.
"our children and our education institutions as they are today because with what's to come um makes me wonder what what skill would be worth investing you know 10 12 years into a child that I had um no..."
Harari warns of the resurgence of wars and conflicts in the current global landscape. He reflects on the decline of the liberal world order that once promoted peace and cooperation among nations. Harari highlights the dangers posed by rising nationalism and the potential for increased imperialism, suggesting that the world is entering a new era of instability.
"is over we are now in a new era of wars and potentially of imperialism and we are seeing it all over the world uh with the Russian invasion of Ukraine now is the war in the Middle East uh Venezuela an..."
Discussing the alarming increase in global military spending, Harari highlights how this trend creates a vicious cycle of insecurity. He contrasts this with the previous era of peace, where resources were allocated more towards education and healthcare than defense.
"and the alternative to order is simply dis order and this is now where we find ourselves do you think there's more Wars on the way yes unless unless we reestablish order there will be more and worse W..."
Harari emphasizes the urgent need to rebuild a global order based on universal values rather than narrow national interests. He warns that without such efforts, the world will face more severe conflicts and wars in the near future.
"when I say that the early 21st century was the most peaceful era in human history it's one of the indications is how uh how low the military budgets all over the world were for most of History Kings a..."
Harari expresses concern over the potential re-election of populist leaders like Donald Trump, viewing it as a significant threat to the remnants of the global order. He critiques the false dichotomy presented by politicians between nationalism and globalism.
"now in your view reinvest in in rebuilding a global order which is based on universal values and norms and not just on the narrow interests of of specific nation states are you concerned that Trump mi..."
In this segment, Harari clarifies that global cooperation does not equate to a global government. He argues for the necessity of global norms to prevent conflict, emphasizing that without them, nations will revert to war.
"many of these politicians they present a false neotoy a false binary vision of the world as if you have to choose between patriotism and globalism between being loyal to your nation and being loyal to..."
Harari critiques the notion of nations as self-sufficient fortresses, arguing that this mindset leads to conflict. He explains that nations will always seek to expand their interests at the expense of others, creating a cycle of tension.
"behave towards each other if you don't have a system of of global norms and values then very quickly what you have is just global conflict is just Wars I mean some people have this idea they imagine t..."
Harari discusses the societal need for boredom in a world filled with constant excitement. He argues that the inability to handle boredom leads to a lack of peace of mind, which is essential for a peaceful society.
"to encourage you to not live in is ignorance so with that one might logically deduce that out the window goes your bliss um are you are you happy I think I'm relatively happy at least happier than I w..."
In this segment, Harari shares his approach to maintaining mental health through a balanced information diet. He emphasizes the importance of disconnecting from constant information flow to achieve peace of mind.
"information is the the food of the mind and if you eat too much of it of the wrong kind you'll get a very thick mind so I uh I try to to keep a very balanced uh information diet which also includes in..."
Harari reflects on the pressures of the 24/7 news cycle on politicians and society. He contrasts human limitations with the relentless nature of AI, warning that constant engagement can lead to mental collapse.
"keeping it healthy you know so many people spend so much time keeping their body healthy which is very important of course but we need to spend equal amount of attention with with our mind it is as im..."
Discussing the competition for human attention, Harari highlights how social media algorithms prioritize engagement over well-being. He warns that this leads to a culture of outrage rather than joy, impacting mental health.
"days a year and people just collapse I mean I think part of the problem that politicians today face is that um they need to be on 24 hours a day because the news cycle is on 24 hours a day like in pre..."
Harari critiques the addictive nature of platforms like TikTok, explaining how they exploit human psychology. He warns that this addiction can lead to a loss of control over one's attention and mental state.
"attention in social media in streaming services now for many of these corporations they measure their success by user engagement the more people are engaged the more successful we are now user engagem..."
Harari concludes by emphasizing the necessity of boredom for mental health and societal stability. He argues that without it, humanity risks losing the ability to find peace and balance in an increasingly chaotic world.
"competing for our attention in our brain we haven't seen anything yet I mean these algorithms they are what like 10 years old in terms of you think about these social media algorithms and the algorith..."
Yuval Noah Harari discusses the overwhelming excitement in modern politics and the need for more stable, less sensational leadership. He emphasizes how our brains are wired to crave excitement, leading to a loss of the ability to handle boredom. Harari warns that without the capacity to experience boredom, we cannot achieve peace of mind, which is essential for a peaceful society.
"exciting politicians doing very exciting things and we need more boring politicians more bidens to do less less exciting uh uh uh things and and but the brain is wired to pay attention to excitement a..."
In this segment, Harari reflects on the importance of individual agency in the face of powerful algorithms and societal challenges. He encourages listeners to focus on one issue they care about deeply and to collaborate with others to create meaningful change. Harari highlights that collective action is far more effective than isolated efforts.
"peace of mind and people if if if humans don't experience peace of mind there is no way that the world as a whole is going to be peaceful in 2023 I launched my very own private Equity Fund called flig..."
Harari discusses the impact of his book 'Sapiens' on global perspectives about humanity and history. He reflects on its success, selling over 25 million copies, and the significance of understanding our past to navigate the future. This segment underscores the book's role in shaping conversations about human evolution and societal structures.
"unlikely to be protected if something goes wrong there is no guarantee that the investment objectives will be achieved and as with all private Equity Investments all of the investment capital is at ri..."
In this thought-provoking segment, Harari emphasizes the relevance of history in understanding change and preventing future catastrophes. He argues that history is not merely about the past but about recognizing the dynamics of change that can inform our present and future actions. Harari stresses that humans have the power to shape their world through understanding historical processes.
"eras in human history the end of the Cold War the fall of the Iron Curtain I don't know of any better time uh but when I look at what is happening right now I don't envy the people who grow up in the ..."
Harari answers a thought-provoking question about imposing a global law, suggesting that people should consume less information and spend more time reflecting on what they already know. This segment highlights the importance of introspection in a world overwhelmed by information, advocating for a more thoughtful approach to knowledge consumption.
"Mission yal your book sapiens changed the world in many ways it gave us A New Perspective and a new understanding of who we are as as humans where we've come from and with that we have aad map for whe..."
In this closing segment, Harari discusses the human capacity to create and change the world around us. He emphasizes that many societal structures are human inventions rather than natural laws, urging listeners to recognize their power to influence change. This segment serves as a call to action for individuals to engage with the world critically and constructively.
"dead they we can't do anything about their disasters and their misery we can't correct any of the wrongs that happened in ancient times um and they don't care what we say about them you can say anythi..."
Harari concludes by reiterating the importance of studying history to understand the dynamics of change. He argues that while we cannot alter the past, we can learn from it to prevent future issues. This segment encapsulates the essence of his message: that understanding our history is crucial for navigating the present and shaping a better future.
"live the world that we know with nation states and corporations and capitalist economics and uh uh religions like Christianity and Hinduism humans created this world and humans can also change it if t..."
In the final moments of the conversation, Harari expresses gratitude for the discussion and reflects on the importance of accessible historical narratives. This segment serves as a heartfelt conclusion to the dialogue, emphasizing the transformative power of understanding our shared human history.
"changed we have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest not knowing who they're going to be leaving it for oh the question that's been left for yo..."