"Even though consumer is arguably not investable right now, the opportunity has never been greater to offer people a new, you know, internet treasure, reinvent some service that we thought was over or ..."

">> Yeah. Yeah. And make something you love to start with. >> That's right. Yeah. I mean, maybe we start there. I mean, you know, why'd you write the book? What's the the core motivation? I mean, you'v..."

">> it feels like the third time that we're about to enter a new era. When I started my first company, Freeloader, in 1995, it was just the web and trying to convince people they might want to use this..."

">> Well, the first thing I'd say is I traced the beginning of social networking to Napster, which Sean Parker started. He worked for me as an intern when he was 16. So, you remember that first moment ..."

"what are some things you know when you reflect on that like and then you see you know we're sort of a few years off of the chat GPT moment but now you know I would say that we're uh in the opus 4.5 an..."

">> That's right. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe we should use that right now. Is that like a good example? Like how would you do proven better new for this idea of like just always on AI intelligence that ..."

">> And why did they want them to pivot to enterprise just because that's more fundable right now? That's what investors want to invest in. >> So, you know, what's your sense? I mean, >> I was I was on..."

">> By hooker by crook, I'd try and figure out how to get distribution. I mean, ideally, there's like some viral hook inside of it. Can I get people to email their friends? >> Well, what about when tho..."

">> This is actually a really important part of the process. I feel like it's you know understanding that new will not work and then not getting demoralized about like how do you do it or how you know ..."

"When you've got that heat, that true signalance right, you don't have to tell anyone to work harder or faster like >> everyone sees it. I call it the fish are running. Like when the fish are running, ..."

">> Basically, what you're mentioning there sounds a lot like Brian Chesy's founder mode in a way. >> I can always hear him saying like, Gary, leadership is presence, not absence, right? And that's lik..."

"people but you're not getting the output of a thousand people >> yeah then something's not adding up yet >> I mean I would I would say like I feel like I'm getting that and like you know my open sourc..."

">> might be and that might be the time machine moment is to come back to today and say >> remember when we didn't understand that this was intelligence I think you said on tap like water right and we'..."

"business plan of free. If you want to say like what what do you always know is better? Free, >> right? And it's one of the rules of the internet. Like anything that can be free will be free. >> And my..."