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Jordan Peterson: How To Become The Person You’ve Always Wanted To Be | E113
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This weeks episode entitled 'Jordan Peterson: How To Become The Person You’ve Always Wanted To Be' topics: 0:00 Intro 02:22 Speaking my truth - the consequences of acting 08:06 How do you become who you want to be? 14:44 How do you build self-awareness? 22:04 Whats the importance of struggle? 25:30 Remote working 38:14 What do we learn from change? 48:56 How do I encourage someone out of despair? 56:37 How are you doing? 01:02:34 Our last guest question Jordan: https://www.instagram.com/jordan.b.peterson/ https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson @JordanBPeterson Listen on: Apple podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-diary-of-a-ceo-by-steven-bartlett/id1291423644 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/7iQXmUT7XGuZSzAMjoNWlX FOLLOW ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/steven/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/SteveBartlettSC Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-bartlett-56986834/ Sponsors: Huel - https://uk.huel.com/ Myenergi - https://bit.ly/3oeWGnl
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The Power of Self-Reflection
Jordan Peterson emphasizes the importance of self-reflection in understanding personal inadequacies. He suggests that by sitting quietly and contemplating what one is doing wrong, individuals can identify necessary changes in their lives. This segment highlights the transformative power of acknowledging one's flaws and taking actionable steps towards improvement.
"if you want to know something about yourself sit on your bed one night and say what's one thing I'm doing wrong that I know I'm doing wrong that I could fix that I would fix you meditate on that you'l..."
The Impact of Truth on Relationships
Steven Bartlett expresses gratitude to Jordan Peterson for his influence on his life and podcast success. He discusses how embracing truth has strengthened his relationships, allowing for deeper connections. This segment underscores the significance of authenticity in personal interactions and the positive outcomes of being true to oneself.
"are then please keep this to yourself Jordan um first I feel I feel like I owe you a debt of gratitude and I want to say thank you for the the impact you've had on my life and I I'll point at the the ..."
The Persona vs. Authenticity
Jordan Peterson explores the concept of 'persona' and its role in human interactions. He explains how individuals often present a facade to the world, which can lead to disconnection from their true selves. This segment delves into the psychological implications of living behind a mask and the importance of striving for authenticity in relationships.
"than so what's changed in your relationships as a consequence of that so um I I believe it's really difficult to truly connect some with someone if you're not be speaking and being your truth and I I ..."
The Dangers of Social Media Personas
Peterson discusses the pitfalls of constructing personas on social media, drawing parallels to the story of Pinocchio. He questions who defines these roles and the consequences of living inauthentically. This segment highlights the struggle between societal expectations and personal truth, emphasizing the need for genuine self-expression.
"one of the things that Carl Yung the great psychotherapist said about a Persona is don't be thinking that you're better off if you never formed one so for Yung it was a voyage from say undifferentiate..."
The Adventure of Life Through Truth
In this segment, Peterson articulates the necessity of embracing one's inadequacies to embark on the adventure of life. He argues that avoiding truth leads to a life devoid of meaning and fulfillment. This discussion encourages listeners to confront their fears and pursue their true potential, framing life as a journey of self-discovery.
"there is that well that that I'm trying to get a hold of the Disney people at the moment because I want to do a lecture series on Pinocchio because I think Pinocchio is brilliant work of art um and if..."
Navigating Career Challenges
Peterson provides practical advice for individuals feeling trapped in their careers. He emphasizes the importance of self-assessment and proactive communication with employers. This segment offers strategies for negotiating better work conditions and highlights the significance of self-awareness in career development.
"adventure of your life you say imagine who you could be and then aim single-mindedly at that um I encounter these young people who appear to know who they could be or they they've imagined who they co..."
Building Self-Awareness for Growth
In this concluding segment, Peterson discusses the critical role of self-awareness in personal development. He stresses that understanding one's inadequacies is essential for growth and transformation. This segment serves as a call to action for listeners to engage in self-reflection and pursue a deeper understanding of themselves.
"candidacy for the position okay so now you're going to go to your boss well you have to have your CV and your resume in order and you have to be able to stand on it solidly and which at least means th..."
The Path to Self-Improvement
Peterson shares insights on how to initiate self-improvement by addressing small, manageable tasks. He uses the metaphor of cleaning one's room to illustrate that taking responsibility for one's immediate environment can lead to broader personal growth. This segment emphasizes the importance of humility and the willingness to start with the basics in the journey of self-betterment.
"exercise for that it's like a prayer in some sense in fact I would say it's proper prayer if you want to know something about yourself sit on your bed one night and say to yourself you got to mean thi..."
Confronting Arrogance
In this thought-provoking segment, Peterson discusses the dangers of arrogance and the necessity of humility in the face of privilege. He argues that recognizing one's own advantages should come with a sense of responsibility to act virtuously. This reflection on societal privilege and personal accountability encourages listeners to engage with their own moral compass.
"something like what what's one thing I'm doing wrong that I know I'm doing wrong that I could fix that I would fix it's like you meditate on that you'll get an answer and it won't be one you want but ..."
The Burden of Historical Atrocity
Peterson delves into the concept of existential guilt stemming from historical injustices. He emphasizes that individuals must take responsibility for the past and strive to live virtuously in the present. This segment challenges listeners to reflect on their own roles in perpetuating or combating societal issues, urging a proactive approach to personal and collective ethics.
"organize anything else and so you get on your knees and you think well it's time to you know take a brush to the toilet and maybe that's where you start and so and that works like that works you start..."
The Quest for Meaning
In this segment, Peterson discusses the human need for purpose and the dangers of seeking fulfillment solely through material success. He reflects on the emptiness that can accompany achieving high goals without a deeper sense of meaning. This exploration of the relationship between struggle and fulfillment encourages listeners to find value in the journey rather than just the destination.
"and thrownness is the fact that we kind of experience life as if we're tossed into it thrown into it you know you're you're male and not female you're you're Hindu and not Christian you're tall and no..."
Embracing the Climb
Peterson articulates the idea that life's value is derived from the challenges we face. He argues that the pursuit of ever-higher goals is essential for personal growth and fulfillment. This segment emphasizes the importance of striving for continuous improvement and the joy found in overcoming obstacles, rather than seeking a life devoid of struggle.
"blood of historical atrocity and so that's on you because you know people think well who's the Nazi well it's the fascist or it's the or who's the radical communist it's the radical left-wing ideologu..."
The Illusion of Instant Gratification
In this insightful discussion, Peterson critiques the modern desire for instant gratification and the pitfalls of a life focused solely on pleasure. He contrasts this with the idea of living a purposeful life filled with challenges and growth. This segment serves as a reminder that true fulfillment comes from meaningful pursuits rather than fleeting pleasures.
"for atrocities going forward and don't think you couldn't be and don't think you might not enjoy it and so the way you pay for your privilege is with your virtue I mean that most particularly you have..."
The Role of Struggle in Life
Peterson reflects on the necessity of struggle and chaos in life, arguing that they are integral to personal development. He shares his own experiences with the emptiness that can follow success, emphasizing that overcoming challenges is what gives life meaning. This segment encourages listeners to embrace struggle as a vital part of their journey.
"so damn trivial it might be your attitude towards it that's trivial and if you're in Dire Straits and dire circumstances just look at how much opportunity you have to make things better so not that it..."
The Pursuit of Transcendence
In this segment, Peterson discusses the importance of having goals that inspire continual growth. He argues that the pursuit of higher ideals is what enriches our lives and gives us purpose. This exploration of ambition and aspiration encourages listeners to seek out challenges that elevate their existence and contribute to their overall well-being.
"thing you want is a higher Hill in the distance because it's the uphill climb that it's it's from the uphill climb that we derive our value and I mean this technically so almost all the positive emoti..."
The Dangers of Complacency
Peterson warns against the complacency that can arise from achieving success without further goals. He emphasizes the importance of remaining active and engaged in life, rather than succumbing to a passive existence. This segment serves as a call to action for listeners to continually seek out new challenges and opportunities for growth.
"that's what you are you're you're here to live not to not to sleep and the problem with the vision of my Ties on the beach is that well first of all that's an invis that's a vision of of drug induced ..."
The Shift to Remote Work
In this segment, Peterson shares his mixed feelings about the rise of remote work. He expresses concerns about the loss of meaningful social interactions and the impact on personal relationships. This discussion highlights the importance of physical presence and connection in professional environments, urging listeners to consider the implications of a virtual work culture.
"want to be like an active Warrior moving uphill with your sword in hand and that's that's Dynamic that's exciting and that's why so many young men disappear into video games it's that's all acted out ..."
The Value of In-Person Interaction
Peterson elaborates on the challenges of replicating the benefits of in-person interactions in a virtual setting. He argues that the university experience, for example, encompasses much more than just academic learning; it includes social development and identity formation. This segment underscores the importance of community and connection in personal and professional growth.
"zoom uh doing my work um for for the for the next 10 years what is your take on remote working well I like it and I don't like it I I think it's very difficult for us to understand our embodied enviro..."
Navigating College Life
Reflecting on his own college experience, Peterson shares insights about the balance between social life and academic responsibilities. He discusses the importance of forming new friendships and the lessons learned from living with diverse roommates, emphasizing that these relationships significantly contribute to personal growth and education.
"career goal to adopt an identity of upward striving for four years away from their parents while they meet a new group of friends like that might be 90% of the university for all we know because it's ..."
The Role of Technology in Education
Peterson explores the complexities of integrating technology into education, acknowledging its benefits while cautioning against over-reliance on virtual interactions. He emphasizes the need for a balanced approach that values both technological advancements and the irreplaceable human elements of learning and socialization.
"people my roommates so I had one roommate who's a really good friend of mine still and he walked a thousand miles with me this year when I was Ill literally so um I really liked living with him becaus..."
Finding Balance in a Virtual World
In this segment, Peterson discusses his personal routine and the importance of maintaining a balance between virtual engagements and real-life interactions. He shares his strategies for managing anxiety and productivity, highlighting the significance of personal relationships and cultural engagement in a technology-driven society.
"little bit in different at different times and in different places and I I learned to live with a whole variety of roommates I had many roommates uh we had a kind of a frat house in the first college ..."
The Dangers of Technological Overreliance
Peterson warns about the potential pitfalls of becoming too immersed in technology, stressing the importance of grounding oneself in reality. He reflects on the challenges posed by rapid technological advancements and the need for individuals to remain aware of their impact on society and personal well-being.
"conceptually is important now I meet with my son pretty regularly for a project we're working on which is an app that will teach people to write well they write and use it so we're quite excited about..."
Cultural Engagement vs. Entertainment
In this thought-provoking segment, Peterson differentiates between culture and entertainment, arguing that true cultural engagement is essential for personal development. He emphasizes the need to seek out meaningful experiences that enrich one's life rather than merely consuming entertainment.
"the day I would say about 25% and then I try to reserve some time either for writing or I'm working on a number of artistic projects and so I'm going to do one or or those for a couple hours in the mo..."
The Consequences of Deceit
Peterson discusses the moral implications of deceit and its impact on personal integrity and decision-making. He shares insights from his clinical practice, emphasizing that honesty is crucial for navigating life's challenges and maintaining healthy relationships.
"phone God only knows what it is but it's definitely not a phone and so it's not surprising that since it just appeared and it's so insanely powerful that we don't know what to do with it and that migh..."
Lessons from the Pandemic
Reflecting on the pandemic, Peterson examines the societal reactions and the lessons learned from unprecedented challenges. He critiques the reliance on opinion polls over scientific evidence in policy-making, urging listeners to consider the long-term implications of such decisions.
"practice people whose houses are built on foundations of sand and the wind starts to blow and the floods start to rise and they are in such trouble such trouble if you're lucky and something terrible ..."
Understanding Fear and Naivety
In this segment, Peterson delves into the themes of fear and naivety in the context of the pandemic. He discusses how these emotions influenced societal responses and the importance of being prepared for future uncertainties.
"the Judgment of our own conscience try to escape from that no one can escape from that over the last two years the world has gone through this this pandemic for a lot of people this is the first time ..."
The Unintended Consequences of Policy
Peterson critiques the governmental response to the pandemic, arguing that the measures taken may have caused more harm than the virus itself. He emphasizes the need for critical thinking in policy-making and the dangers of acting on fear rather than evidence.
"some ways over our reaction to it is by no means over and part of the reason that we overreacted I would say so precipitously to it is that we were unprepared for such things in our naivity and then w..."
Pharmaceutical Companies and Public Policy
In this segment, Peterson critiques the role of pharmaceutical companies in public health decisions, arguing that politicians have abdicated their responsibilities by deferring to these entities. He emphasizes the need for a balanced approach to politics and public health, advocating for individual empowerment over reliance on experts.
"endgame in sight another thing I asked the people that I was speaking with it's like when is this over well we don't know what would over look like well we don't really no and now what you see is this..."
The Role of Individual Empowerment
Peterson shares his belief that true solutions to societal issues lie in empowering individuals rather than pursuing a political career. He discusses the importance of encouraging personal growth and responsibility, emphasizing that political solutions should be subordinate to the encouragement of individual potential.
"Arbiters of all public policy because our politicians are too cowardly and incompetent to do anything but devolve their responsibilities to so-called experts domain experts politics is not Public Heal..."
Navigating Relationships and Encouragement
In this insightful segment, Peterson explores how to effectively encourage loved ones out of despair without imposing one's own biases. He stresses the importance of asking genuine questions and listening, rather than trying to dictate what is best for others, highlighting the delicate balance in supporting those we care about.
"not a domain expert although I'm a decent scientist and I know how to read the research material and so well we'll see what we have to learn from these tectonic shifts underneath and you know you migh..."
The Art of Listening in Relationships
Peterson emphasizes the significance of active listening in relationships, illustrating how genuine engagement can lead to deeper understanding and connection. He shares practical advice on how to approach difficult conversations, advocating for a collaborative dialogue that respects the other person's perspective.
"and that's not a that's not essentially a political Enterprise it's essentially a theological Enterprise and politics has to be subordinate to that and so I've debated throughout the entire course of ..."
Negotiating Satisfaction in Conflict
In this segment, Peterson discusses how to navigate conflicts with loved ones by understanding their needs and negotiating solutions. He provides a framework for addressing grievances, encouraging open communication and mutual understanding as essential components of resolving disputes.
"to make and keep verbal contracts reliable capable of implementation at the level of detail that's kind of conservative virtues there but they tend to be lower in creativity openness to experience the..."
The Importance of Dialogue
Peterson reflects on the necessity of dialogue in society, asserting that free speech is crucial for navigating the complexities of the future. He argues that engaging in honest conversations allows individuals to adapt and respond to changing circumstances, fostering a more resilient society.
"that we can mindlessly replicate those decisions right now in the present to deal with a changing future so I want to help encourage people to become the sort of people who can engage in that free dia..."
Encouraging Others Without Overstepping
In this segment, Peterson provides insights on how to encourage others effectively without overstepping boundaries. He emphasizes the importance of humility and the recognition that one cannot dictate another's path, advocating for a supportive approach that respects individual autonomy.
"yeah we hope right and um we sometimes fall foul of trying to force our own bias our own intention for them on them what is the best way if I've got a friend in my life or you know partner that I want..."
Asking the Right Questions
Peterson discusses the power of asking meaningful questions in conversations, particularly when trying to help others. He highlights the importance of genuine inquiry and active listening, suggesting that this approach can lead to deeper insights and understanding in relationships.
"where they're headed now having said that you do what you're doing in this interview in this podcast you ask people questions real questions you know like how are you feeling I'm not doing so good tod..."
The Role of Attention in Connection
In this concluding segment, Peterson shares his experiences with engaging individuals in conversation, emphasizing the value of paying attention and listening. He illustrates how this practice fosters connection and encourages others to express themselves, ultimately leading to greater wisdom and understanding.
"love to be attended to you know like if I meet people on the street you know I ask them their name they're all usually flustered when they come up to me they don't really want to interrupt me and then..."
The Art of Listening in Comedy
Peterson shares insights from comedian Jimmy Carr about the dialogical nature of comedy. He explains how comedians refine their material through audience feedback, highlighting the importance of listening and adapting in both comedy and personal interactions.
"so why don't you give me a hand with that and all utter them inelegantly and awkwardly in a good faith demonstration of my commitment to peace and that won't be so good because maybe it would have bee..."
Humor as a Reflection of Depth
In this segment, Peterson reflects on the complexity of humor, noting that true comedy often encompasses deep emotional experiences. He argues that the best humor allows for self-criticism and transcendence, making it a powerful tool for connection and understanding.
"monologues but I pay attention to the audience right I'm always talking to individual people in the audience and watching their reactions and listening to the audience as a whole so even though it's a..."
Rethinking Happiness
Peterson challenges the conventional pursuit of happiness, suggesting that aiming for goodness and meaning is more valuable. He discusses the significance of deep emotional experiences over superficial happiness, emphasizing the importance of striving for personal growth.
"and so a good comedian collects ways to do that shares them with the audience and he's listening and so if you want to help someone the best way to help someone is not to give them advice but to liste..."
The Weight of Connection
Peterson shares his experiences with fans who approach him with their struggles, illustrating the profound impact of his work. He reflects on the emotional weight of these encounters, recognizing the blend of triumph and despair in their stories.
"you know when you listen to a profound piece of music one that sort of spans the whole emotional experience it's not happy happy is elevator music and probably you just shouldn't listen to that at all..."
The Complexity of Human Experience
In this segment, Peterson discusses the duality of human emotions, emphasizing that true depth in life comes from experiencing both joy and suffering. He argues that meaningful experiences often arise from navigating life's challenges.
"than happiness and maybe if you're lucky while you're pursuing that and while you're immersed in it you get to be happy and and you should fall on your knees and be grateful for that when it happens y..."
The Impact of Truth
Peterson reflects on his commitment to truth and its potential to change lives. He discusses the unpredictability of outcomes when pursuing truth, emphasizing the importance of integrity and faith in the process.
"that like their old friends so quickly but at the same po time it's an awful thing because you see even in the revelation of their Triumph the initial depth of their despair so I wouldn't change that ..."
A Pledge to Truthfulness
In a heartfelt conclusion, Peterson and his host discuss the significance of truthfulness as a guiding principle. The host expresses a commitment to uphold truth in his work, recognizing its potential to contribute positively to the world.
"in such a way we have a closing tradition um one of the you know I don't nor do this but one of the the really great CEOs in our country young guys bought a multi-billion dollar company really great g..."