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Sophia is not AGI (Ben Goertzel) | AI Podcast Clips with Lex Fridman
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Full episode with Ben Goertzel (Jun 2020): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpSmCKe27WE Clips channel (Lex Clips): https://www.youtube.com/lexclips Main channel (Lex Fridman): https://www.youtube.com/lexfridman (more links below) Podcast full episodes playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4 Podcasts clips playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOeciFP3CBCIEElOJeitOr41 Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/ai Podcast on Apple Podcasts (iTunes): https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Podcast on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 Podcast RSS: https://lexfridman.com/category/ai/feed/ Ben Goertzel is one of the most interesting minds in the artificial intelligence community. He is the founder of SingularityNET, designer of OpenCog AI framework, formerly a director of the Machine Intelligence Research Institute, Chief Scientist of Hanson Robotics, the company that created the Sophia Robot. He has been a central figure in the AGI community for many years, including in the Conference on Artificial General Intelligence. Subscribe to this YouTube channel or connect on: - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman
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The Vision Behind Sophia
Ben Goertzel introduces David Hanson, the creator of Sophia the robot, and discusses their shared vision for artificial general intelligence (AGI). He highlights their differing approaches: Goertzel's mathematical focus on cognitive algorithms versus Hanson's emphasis on creating machines that can empathize and connect with humans emotionally.
"you were the chief scientist of Hanson robotics you're still involved with Hanson robotics doing a lot of really interesting stuff there this is for people who don't know the company that created Soph..."
From AGI Aspirations to Reality
Goertzel shares his journey from working on AGI research to his involvement with Hanson Robotics. He reflects on the challenges of making Sophia a functional robot and the practical issues faced in robotics, including the need for a 'walking skeleton' approach to software development.
"wanted exactly the same thing but he had a different idea of how to do it he wanted to get computational compassion like he wanted to get machines that that would would love people and empathize with ..."
Building Sophia: The Technical Challenges
In this segment, Goertzel discusses the technical hurdles encountered while developing Sophia, including issues with computer vision and speech recognition. He explains the concept of a 'walking skeleton' in software engineering and how it was applied to Sophia's development.
"pretty pretty pretty much yeah and on the other hand I started doing some cool research there with Gino you at Hong Kong Polytechnic University I got involved with a project called idea using machine ..."
Sophia as a Platform for AI
Goertzel elaborates on the vision for Sophia as a platform for various AI algorithms, similar to the Pepper robot. He discusses the integration of SingularityNET and how it aims to create a marketplace for AI applications, allowing developers to experiment with different AI systems.
"there had been to make the blockchain based like cloud 9 platform for sofia and the other other ever her sofia will be just one of the robots in this in a singularity net yeah yeah yeah exactly exactl..."
The Emotional Connection of AI
Goertzel emphasizes the importance of infusing AI with compassion and love, drawing parallels to how humans raise children. He discusses the ethical implications of AGI and the need for AI to learn human values through interaction.
"because singular unit it's an API marketplace so anyone can put their AI on their OpenCog is a little bit different I mean David likes it but I'd say it's my thing it's not his like David has a little..."
Sophia's Role in Human Interaction
In this segment, Goertzel discusses the potential of Sophia to serve as a home service robot and educational assistant. He reflects on the grand vision of using robots to teach compassion and beneficial behaviors to AI systems.
"nasty outcomes because if you're making something 10 times as smart as you how can you know what it's gonna do there's an irreducible answer uncertainty there just as my dog can't predict what I'm gon..."
The Reality of Robotics Development
Goertzel shares his experiences with the practical challenges of robotics, including the limitations of current technology. He discusses the gap between aspirations for AGI and the reality of building functional robots like Sophia.
"know if you've ever worked with robots the reality is is quite different right like the first principle is the robot is always broken working I mean I work with robots in the 90s a bunch and you had t..."
Comparing AI Systems: Sophia vs. Facebook's Chatbot
Goertzel compares Sophia's chatbot capabilities with Facebook's transformer chatbot. He highlights the strengths and weaknesses of both systems in maintaining conversation arcs and generating responses.
"a whole system that does something and then you work on improving each part in the context of that whole integrated system so that's what we did on the software level in Sophia we made like a walking ..."
The Need for Grounding in AI
Goertzel discusses the importance of grounding AI in real-world experiences. He argues that Sophia's need to converse on various topics without grounding limits her ability to engage meaningfully.
"what Google Mena when you actually look at full-scale conversations issues yeah this is the thing so we've been I've actually been running an experiment the last couple weeks taking Sophia's chatbot a..."
Sophia's Artistic Appeal
Goertzel reflects on the artistic aspects of Sophia's design and how her appearance captivates audiences. He discusses the public's perception of Sophia as an intelligent being and the implications of this anthropomorphism.
"there's this just like I mean Google Mena and Facebook's chat but I don't have grounding for what they're talking about about either so in a way the need to speak fluently about things where there's n..."
Criticism from the AI Community
Goertzel addresses the criticism from the AI community regarding the perception of Sophia as AGI. He shares his thoughts on the ethical considerations of creating robots that evoke emotional responses.
"essentially GI type of capabilities to Sophia when they see here and of course friendly French folk like Yamla kun immediately see that of the people from the AG community and get really frustrated be..."
The Irony of AI Ethics
In this segment, Goertzel discusses the irony of ethical concerns raised by AI researchers while working for companies that use AI for less altruistic purposes. He contrasts these views with the intentions behind Sophia's development.
"once I dug a little deeper into David and the robot and the intentions behind it I think I would have stopped being being pissed off worse folks like young McCune have remained pissed off after their ..."
The Illusion of Intelligence
Goertzel shares an anecdote about a Philip K. Dick robot experiment, illustrating how people ascribe intelligence to robots even when they know a human is controlling them. He explores the implications of this phenomenon for AI development.
"David is an artistic wild men and that's that's that's part of his charm that that's that's part of his genius so certainly there have been conversations with enhancing robotics in between me and Davi..."
Transparency vs. Illusion in AI
Goertzel discusses the balance between transparency about AI capabilities and the desire of people to engage with robots in a meaningful way. He reflects on the ethical considerations of creating robots that evoke empathy.
"go into too much I mean there's there's some nature there's something to this where our imagination about Sophia and people yet young Laocoon being frustrated about it is all part of this beautiful da..."
The Future of Compassionate Robotics
Goertzel concludes by discussing the potential applications of robots in healthcare and elder care. He emphasizes the importance of using AI to foster compassion and understanding in human-robot interactions.
"think there's there's a couple levels of ethical issue there one issue is should you be transparent about how sophia is working and i think you should and i think i think we we have been i mean i mean..."