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Lean Startup Lessons For Founders with Eric Ries & Ben Casnocha
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Eric Ries recently joined Village Global co-founder and partner Ben Casnocha in San Francisco to chat with some of the founders of our portfolio companies. Eric is a Village Global LP, friend of the firm, and author of The Lean Startup: How Today's Entrepreneurs Use Continuous Innovation to Create Radically Successful Businesses. — Over the nearly two-hour session, Eric gave a masterclass in Lean Startup techniques, addressed questions from founders on some of the finer details of the framework, and shared what he has learned from his entrepreneurial journey. This video is an abridged conversation. — Thank you for watching this video! Village Global is an early-stage venture capital firm backed by some of the world's most successful entrepreneurs including Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg and many more. — We’re not a traditional VC. We’re a network. From how we invest in startups to how we help founders. When you raise money from Village, you’re not just getting money. You’re getting connected capital. We invest in early-stage technology startups across sectors around the world. — Learn more about Village and submit your startup today: ▶ http://bit.ly/ApplyToVillageGlobal — Become a Villager and subscribe to our newsletter in order to stay up to date on all of our most important announcements, investments and events: ▶ http://bit.ly/VG-Newsletter — Stay connected with Village Global on: ▶ Twitter: http://bit.ly/VG-Twitter ▶ Medium: http://bit.ly/VG-Medium ▶ LinkedIn: http://bit.ly/VG-LinkedIn ▶ Facebook: http://bit.ly/VG-Facebook ▶ Instagram: http://bit.ly/VG-IG ▶ Podcast: http://bit.ly/VillagePodcast — Learn more about our own philosophy on venture, investing, entrepreneurship and innovation on our team publication by Village Global: ▶ http://bit.ly/VG-Publication — Listen to our “Venture Stories” podcast on your platform of choice: ▶ http://bit.ly/VillagePodcast _______ Opinions and thoughts expressed by the participants in this production may not be reflective of Village Global. Any opinions, projections, forecasts and estimates contained in this production are necessarily speculative in nature, are based upon certain assumptions, and subject to change without notice. It can be expected that some or all of such assumptions will not materialize or will vary significantly from actual results. This production is not an offer to buy or sell any investments. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
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The Impact of Lean Startup
Eric Ries reflects on the profound influence of his book, 'The Lean Startup,' on entrepreneurship, particularly in Silicon Valley. He emphasizes its significance in shaping modern startup methodologies and introduces the session's format, which includes a masterclass and discussions with founders.
"who here has read the Lean Startup okay the book itself and if you haven't read it you've probably heard of it I've spent some time trafficking in the world of business ideas and business literature I..."
Defining Lean Startup Methodology
Eric Ries begins to describe the Lean Startup methodology, highlighting the gap between the idealized vision of startups and the reality of entrepreneurial work. He discusses the challenges of maintaining enthusiasm and energy amidst the uncertainties of startup life.
"talk about Eric's new company which which I'm also an investor and four villages the creation of village it's on the family long long term stock exchange and we'll talk about how that's relevant to to..."
The Entrepreneurial Fantasy
Ries elaborates on the fantasy entrepreneurs often have about their startups, where everything works perfectly. He shares his personal experiences of failing to sustain that vision and the difficulties of navigating the unpredictable nature of entrepreneurship.
"sustain energy in that vision over time you have to deal with the fact that in the fantasy of what your startup is going to be you never have to make any trade-offs everything works the product is lik..."
The Reality of Startup Challenges
Eric discusses the emotional rollercoaster of entrepreneurship, where good and bad events can flip expectations. He emphasizes the importance of sustaining vision and morale through the ups and downs of startup life, drawing from his own failures and lessons learned.
"and drive required to get to the finish line and and it's so easy to give up like I feel like we're biologically wired as you get more and more information to like want to give up more and more often ..."
The Flaws of Traditional Management
Ries critiques traditional management practices that rely on forecasting and accountability, arguing they are ill-suited for startups. He shares his realization that entrepreneurs must operate in a realm of uncertainty, where conventional tools often fail.
"profoundly accept that what makes you an entrepreneur is that you don't know what's gonna happen in the future like that ultimately like being in that soil of extreme uncertainty that's when that's wh..."
Learning from Failure
Eric Ries highlights the difference between corporate accountability and entrepreneurial learning. He discusses how entrepreneurs often miss their targets by significant margins but still gain valuable insights, contrasting this with the harsh penalties in traditional corporate environments.
"missed by a penny a share on Wall Street and you're in trouble well we as entrepreneurs we tend to miss our accountability forecast by like two three four orders of magnitude but then we're like but d..."
The Birth of Lean Startup Framework
Ries explains how he developed the Lean Startup framework to address the challenges of uncertainty in entrepreneurship. He emphasizes the importance of having a vision and hypothesis, and how scientific principles can guide startups in testing their assumptions.
"entrepreneur situation how do you actually know if you're making progress towards that vision or not which was the question I used to ask people as an entrepreneur so that they would help me like I wa..."
Key Tenets of Lean Startup
Eric outlines the core tenets of the Lean Startup methodology, including the concept of Minimum Viable Products (MVPs) and the iterative process of 'build, measure, learn.' He stresses the importance of testing assumptions quickly and efficiently to drive progress.
"obvious the idea that somebody had to write a book about it it's laughable like I can't believe but like I'm not that old you know the book didn't come out in the 80s it's not ancient history like the..."
The Importance of Vision in Startups
Eric Ries emphasizes the necessity of having a clear vision and hypothesis in entrepreneurship. He argues that without a vision, one cannot conduct scientific experiments to validate business ideas. This segment highlights the foundational role of vision in the Lean Startup methodology and the importance of testing assumptions.
"preamble I was just giving about uncertainty and all that stuff and we're trying to get towards a vision it's really important if you don't have a vision that you don't have a hypothesis and you're no..."
Minimum Viable Products Explained
In this segment, Eric Ries introduces the concept of Minimum Viable Products (MVPs) as a way to test leap of faith assumptions in startups. He explains the build-measure-learn feedback loop, which allows entrepreneurs to validate their ideas quickly and efficiently. The focus is on the importance of rapid experimentation in the Lean Startup framework.
"the experiments are called Minimum Viable products or MVP the process of doing this continuously we call build measure learn for how quickly can we go from an idea to validation of all that ideas corr..."
Understanding Pivots in Strategy
Eric discusses the concept of a pivot, defined as a change in strategy without altering the core vision of a startup. He clarifies common misconceptions about what constitutes a pivot and emphasizes the need for consistency in pursuing a startup's vision while remaining flexible in strategy.
"you change the vision I know people like pivot every four days like that doesn't count either you have to actually be consistent about trying to get somewhere and you know just you want a very simple ..."
Identifying Leap of Faith Assumptions
In this segment, Eric Ries talks about the significance of identifying leap of faith assumptions in startup ideas. He uses the humorous example of a teleportation startup to illustrate how founders often overlook critical assumptions that need validation. This highlights the importance of articulating and testing these assumptions to avoid pitfalls.
"assumptions so let's start with like the best leap of faith assumptions are the most obvious like the ones that are so dumb you're kind of embarrassed to say it out loud but actually it's really impor..."
Testing Assumptions Effectively
Eric explains how to effectively test leap of faith assumptions by conducting experiments that provide real-world validation. He stresses the importance of not just relying on verbal affirmations from potential customers but instead seeking tangible commitments, such as signed letters of intent, to gauge genuine interest.
"funny when you say it out loud because you're like okay there's a let life like levels of sophistication to this the leap of faith assumption the falsifiable hypothesis if you want to go I'll Karl Pop..."
The Challenge of Customer Validation
In this segment, Eric shares a cautionary tale about a medical device startup that misinterpreted customer feedback. He illustrates the pitfalls of relying solely on polite responses from potential customers and emphasizes the need for actionable validation to ensure that a product meets real market needs.
"apply in every single situation and as soon as you move from these kind of broad principles to specific tactics then it kind of depends on the situation so I try to answer but the general rule of thum..."
Signal-to-Noise Ratio in Startups
Eric discusses the concept of signal-to-noise ratio in the context of startup validation. He explains how entrepreneurs can discern valuable feedback from potential customers and the importance of having a structured approach to measure interest and demand for their products.
"and we might and so like that's key thing so it's not an experiment unless you measure the action involved and it's not has to be a financial transaction we call it only startup you know it's like as ..."
The Role of Customer Development
In this concluding segment, Eric reflects on the importance of customer development in the Lean Startup framework. He highlights the need for entrepreneurs to be analytical and methodical in their approach to understanding customer needs and iterating on their products, drawing on insights from Steve Blank's work.
"of how much do I rely upon what I'm hearing verbally anyone here struggling with us yeah Mickey yeah getting them to expend time is an interesting exchange of value like if they're really interested t..."
Customer Discovery vs. Customer Validation
Eric Ries explains the distinction between customer discovery and customer validation, drawing from Steve Blank's framework. He emphasizes that customer discovery is about understanding the customer deeply, while customer validation tests existing hypotheses. This segment highlights the challenges entrepreneurs face in balancing their visions with the realities of customer feedback.
"key I mean listen so the Rick doesn't I still have some where am I in my archives I still have my original copy if you think for subject if aney is dense and difficult to read now you should see what ..."
The Importance of Regular Pivot or Persevere Meetings
Ries advocates for regular 'pivot or persevere' meetings to assess the direction of a startup. He suggests a six-week cadence for these meetings to avoid reacting impulsively to single data points. This segment underscores the necessity of structured decision-making processes in startups to navigate uncertainty and maintain focus on long-term goals.
"that you're convinced about then you want customer validation that is you want to run an experiment to see if your hypothesis is correct if you are trying to generate a hypothesis for some reason you ..."
Navigating Uncertainty in Startups
In this segment, Ries discusses the challenges of navigating uncertainty in startups. He shares personal anecdotes about the difficulties of interpreting customer feedback and the importance of not getting attached to a single vision. Ries emphasizes the need for entrepreneurs to remain flexible and open-minded while pursuing their goals.
"it and my cue memories are just not very good at that because you're basically like I fiercely believe that this is definitely going to work and also mine our and those are that causes cognitive disso..."
The Paradigm Shift in Entrepreneurship
Ries introduces the concept of paradigm shifts in entrepreneurship, referencing Thomas Kuhn's theory. He explains how successful experiments lead to productive learning, while failing paradigms often persist due to attachment. This segment highlights the importance of adapting to new insights and the necessity for entrepreneurs to evolve their strategies based on customer feedback.
"wrong but like do we and but then somebody in team would be like you but you really want to overeat into one data point like oh good point maybe I should persevere through this because it's just one d..."
Recognizing When to Pivot
In this segment, Ries shares insights on recognizing when to pivot in a startup. He recounts his experiences with a product that consistently failed to convert users despite improvements. Ries emphasizes the importance of understanding customer needs and the harsh reality that entrepreneurs must face when their products do not resonate with the market.
"it's a it's actually a very well defined term and it what it means is a paradigm is a is a way of structuring your thinking about what experiments you should do to learn more about a topic in science ..."
Transparency in Leadership
Ries discusses the value of transparency in leadership within startups. He contrasts different leadership styles, advocating for openness about uncertainties and challenges. This segment highlights the importance of fostering a culture where team members are informed and engaged, enabling them to contribute effectively to the startup's mission.
"freaking percent and it got to the point where I actually became a conspiracy theorist because I was like wait a minute a hundred customers try my product today and one of them bought and yesterday th..."
Building Entrepreneurial Qualities in Teams
In this segment, Eric Ries discusses how transparency can help develop entrepreneurial qualities within teams. He argues that founders often complain about their teams lacking entrepreneurial behavior, but this can stem from a lack of exposure to real challenges. By sharing the realities of the startup journey, leaders can empower their teams to become more resilient and proactive.
"you like I'm almost a big agile software development you know zealot and in my earlier days I'm like if you look at how those systems are designed like there's like an explicit understanding that like..."
The Pivot or Persevere Decision
Ries delves into the psychological aspects of making the pivot or persevere decision in startups. He shares insights from his experiences and emphasizes that many entrepreneurs wish they had pivoted sooner. This segment highlights the importance of recognizing when a strategy isn't working and the ease of implementing a pivot once the decision is made.
"transparency if you you have to be willing to accept the trade-off of transparency which is potentially a moral loss all right so if everyone on your team actually witnessed that's all the craziness g..."
Trusting Your Gut in Decision Making
Eric Ries discusses the nuances of trusting your gut in entrepreneurship. He advises founders to trust their instincts when they feel something isn't working, while cautioning against relying on gut feelings for positive outcomes. This segment emphasizes the importance of critical thinking and awareness of cognitive biases in decision-making processes.
"becomes a serious problem and the second thing is it actually creates opportunities for everyone else to develop founder like qualities you're actually developing entrepreneurial skill in your own tea..."
The Role of Data in Lean Startups
In this segment, Ries explains the significance of data in lean startup methodologies. He argues that the primary purpose of measuring metrics is to facilitate meaningful discussions about whether to pivot or persevere. This segment underscores the importance of focusing on relevant data that informs critical business decisions rather than getting lost in unnecessary analytics.
"one is I think a couple of those who are at the founder retreat and October heard me says and one of the sessions I had one of our Opie's Oren Hoffman do you know Warren yeah of course Oren has a good..."
Minimum Viable Product (MVP) Insights
Ries provides insights on what constitutes a Minimum Viable Product (MVP) and the common misconceptions surrounding it. He encourages entrepreneurs to drastically reduce their expectations for what an MVP should include, emphasizing that many founders overestimate the necessary features. This segment offers practical advice for startups looking to test their ideas efficiently.
"good analysis of a bunch of literature from decision science that I hadn't seen before Oracle and might be worth checking out but I just getting a hold of how we're gonna interpret the pivot or persev..."
The Importance of Customer Feedback
In this segment, Ries discusses the value of customer feedback in the MVP process. He highlights that early adopters often appreciate being part of the development process and that their input can guide product improvements. This segment reinforces the idea that engaging with customers can lead to better product-market fit and more successful outcomes.
"pivot the worse the worse it gets and the more success you've had collectively as a group the worse it is so the hardest part where the pivot is simply getting everyone in the same room to agree to th..."
Navigating Enterprise Sales Challenges
Ries addresses the challenges of selling to enterprise clients and the misconceptions about making a single good impression. He explains that enterprise buyers often value being listened to and involved in the development process. This segment provides insights into how startups can better approach enterprise sales by understanding customer needs and expectations.
"measure it like 99% of the stuff in Google Analytics it's completely worthless you're welcome to look at it because it feels good like Eric's law of Google Analytics is that no matter how bad you're s..."
Building Relationships with Customers
In this concluding segment, Ries emphasizes the importance of building strong relationships with customers, even in the face of product failures. He shares a hypothetical scenario involving Steve Jobs to illustrate how addressing customer concerns can turn negative experiences into positive relationships. This segment highlights the significance of customer engagement and responsiveness in entrepreneurship.
"important is it suffice be in the pivotal persevere meeting so can we structure for that is really we talk about MVPs so this is another idea that that you've been parsing or for spreading into the ve..."
The Value of Customer Feedback
In this segment, Ries shares a humorous anecdote about customer experiences with technology, illustrating how even catastrophic failures can lead to positive relationships if handled well. He contrasts this with the overwhelming number of surveys consumers receive, pointing out that true early adopters value being listened to, which can foster trust and loyalty.
"like wouldn't be great to find that out right now so you can stop wasting your time trying to make the sale and in most Enterprise buyers in fact and this is true for any consumer segments do customer..."
Understanding Early Adopters
Ries explains the concept of early adopters, emphasizing that they are not a monolithic group. He discusses how their motivations can vary significantly based on context, and how understanding these motivations is crucial for startups looking to engage them effectively. This segment underscores the importance of identifying the right audience for innovative products.
"exactly so you're not an early adopter so like flowers I guess I'm very early adopter is not a personality my identity feels threatened no in technology we treat early adopter like it's a kind of pers..."
Trust as a Barrier in B2B Sales
This segment addresses the challenges startups face in B2B sales when trust is a significant barrier. Ries discusses how startups can overcome this hurdle by demonstrating value and building credibility, rather than relying solely on product features. He emphasizes the need for recommendations from established customers to gain traction in the market.
"mainstream like travel customer like but for other things you know like I'm happy to compile the software myself and like install it on my own computer and see what happens those we're doing old schoo..."
The Chasm of Technology Adoption
Ries delves into the concept of the 'chasm' in technology adoption, explaining how early adopters and mainstream customers differ in their willingness to try new products. He uses examples from the tech industry to illustrate how mainstream customers often require validation from their peers before adopting new technologies.
"functionality of the product or service well I love my I don't know if this person is like on the livestream or whatever but like what I love the implicit premise of your question is that once you add..."
Creating Demand Through Social Proof
In this segment, Ries discusses the importance of social proof in driving product adoption among mainstream customers. He highlights how established companies can influence each other’s decisions and the role of reputation in building trust. This insight is crucial for startups looking to penetrate competitive markets.
"weirdos and they won't they won't accept a referral from them anyone remember Google glass number one Robert Scoble was all over social media with his Google glass pictures in the shower and whole thi..."
The Art of the Product Demo
Ries recounts the iconic product demo of the original iPhone by Steve Jobs, illustrating how effective storytelling and presentation can create excitement and trust in a product. He explains the meticulous preparation behind the demo, emphasizing that a good enough product can engender trust even if it’s not fully functional.
"it works our associate will follow up with you we're very interested we're definitely please keep us posted we don't need it we don't need to schedule a specific follow-up at this time it's like the T..."
Critiques of Lean Startup Methodology
This segment features a discussion on the criticisms of the Lean Startup methodology, particularly the concern that it may lead to mediocrity. Ries addresses these critiques, arguing that starting with a strong vision is essential and that the Lean Startup approach should be used to refine that vision rather than replace it.
"non-functional that thing that he had on stage it was so broken that he had in the lectern like thing they had placed several other ones he had like several prototypes sitting there because like the t..."
The Balance Between Vision and Testing
Ries explores the balance between having an inspired vision and relying on A/B testing in product development. He argues that while testing is valuable, it should not overshadow the importance of a strong foundational vision. This segment emphasizes the need for startups to navigate between innovation and validation.
"thread featuring some of the most compassionate and more Mileva people in Silicon Valley Keith oh boy and all those same where where people critiquing being startup and and James Hong who's actually a..."
The A/B Testing Revolution
Eric Ries shares his early experiences with A/B testing in product development, highlighting the skepticism he faced from engineers who viewed it as a direct marketing tactic rather than a product strategy. He emphasizes the importance of experimentation in improving conversion rates, illustrating how even small increases can lead to significant outcomes.
"we should a be test things on our website and the other engineers and people that I work with were like why that's like a direct marketing technique what does it have to do with product and I was like..."
Vision vs. Reality in Entrepreneurship
In this segment, Ries discusses the challenges of having an inspired vision as an entrepreneur. He reflects on how many founders believe they possess a unique vision akin to Steve Jobs, yet the reality of execution often reveals the complexities and trade-offs involved in realizing that vision.
"so yeah that's one of the questions I would I would contemplate on those what's what's harder having the inspired vision oh it's having the inspired vision totally but like what are you gonna do about..."
The Ethics of Entrepreneurship
Ries delves into the ethical dilemmas faced by entrepreneurs, particularly in light of the practices of large tech companies like Facebook. He raises questions about the moral implications of pursuing success at any cost and the responsibility of founders to maintain their vision without compromising their values.
"that that advice is helpful mm-hmm right and from a VC's point of view they don't care like whether it helps you or not as irrelevant they want more people who meet the pattern to show up in their off..."
Navigating Vision and Market Fit
This segment explores the importance of aligning a startup's vision with market realities. Ries discusses how entrepreneurs must grapple with the tension between their original vision and the feedback from the market, emphasizing the need for adaptability and the willingness to pivot based on customer insights.
"industry because of the behemoth of Facebook who like took this to a place that is really dark so are we gonna go there in this masterclass futari no no I'm not qualified I'm just saying like if we're..."
The Nature of True Visionaries
Ries challenges the notion of what it means to be a visionary in entrepreneurship. He argues that true visionaries possess a deep understanding of the market and can identify unique insights that others overlook, rather than simply having grand ideas without practical grounding.
"we had to grapple with that as entrepreneurs and you have to ask yourself like to me what does it mean to have a vision what it what's in the vision you could always wretch like you can retcon a visio..."
The Role of Experimentation in Defining Vision
In this insightful discussion, Ries emphasizes that entrepreneurs often discover their true vision through experimentation. He argues that the process of testing ideas and making trade-offs reveals what is genuinely important to founders, leading to a more refined and actionable vision.
"so some would argue work on on on the vision and making it as ambitious and as inspired as you possibly can but but then you had your response was yeah but what can you do about I guess question is is..."
Making Tough Decisions in Startups
Ries recounts a pivotal moment in a startup's journey where the team had to choose between two different customer segments. He illustrates the difficulty of making strategic decisions based on market feedback and the importance of aligning the value proposition with the right audience.
"do it or like let's fix item 8 I get pitched Alton let's fix education let's fix this let's fix that like that's I [ __ ] that doesn't really count it's like the really truly great visionaries like th..."
The Starbucks Pivot Story
Ries shares the fascinating origin story of Starbucks, detailing how the company evolved from an Italian-inspired café to a global coffee brand. He highlights the importance of adapting to customer demands and the pivotal decisions that shaped Starbucks' identity in the coffee industry.
"discussion on on vision and can everyone here we're being called to do something ever yeah prop primate called problem founder fit for you or want to have / new terms invented for everything it's red ..."
Understanding Vanity Metrics
In this segment, Ries critiques the concept of vanity metrics in startups, explaining how they can mislead founders and investors. He emphasizes the need for meaningful metrics that reflect actual business performance rather than superficial numbers that serve to impress competitors.
"to say this but when I travel I get really strange looks at this one but I really think entrepreneurship is a process of self-discovery the truth that you don't know what your vision is until you put ..."
The Reality of Startup Funding Cycles
Ries discusses the cyclical nature of startup funding, warning that periods of easy capital can lead to complacency among entrepreneurs. He reflects on the lessons learned from past financial crises and the importance of maintaining a grounded approach to business amidst changing market conditions.
"what's important to you till you have to start making trade-offs that's why I started the discussion with the fantasy right so I think that to to people working on the exact same company encountering ..."
Winter is Coming: A Cautionary Tale
Ries reflects on his warning about the impending challenges for startups, likening the startup ecosystem to the seasons in Game of Thrones. He stresses the importance of being prepared for downturns and the need for startups to remain efficient with their resources, regardless of the current capital-rich environment.
"January 2019 I stand by that statement I didn't say when it was coming that's right you know you guys all know a game of Thrones right so like summers children are the people that own a game of Throne..."
The Importance of Efficient Spending
In this segment, Eric Ries argues that regardless of how much funding a startup has, efficient spending is crucial. He shares insights from his experiences during the dot-com bubble and financial crisis, advocating for a mindset that prioritizes sustainable growth over reckless spending.
"time it's just pure waste you can rid of people like yeah thanks for that really helpful advice my friend but what about my Molly you know my office lease can you get me out of it oh that guy for guys..."
Learning from the Dot-Com Crash
Ries recounts his personal experiences during the dot-com crash, emphasizing the lessons learned about financial prudence and the unpredictability of market conditions. He advises founders to be cautious and prepared for potential downturns, regardless of current successes.
"forecaster by at all all I can say is like I learned this kind of bad lesson in my time in the valley watching the dot-com bubble crash and then the financial crisis like you see these signs of exuber..."
Navigating Growth and Investment
Eric discusses the balance between raising capital and spending wisely, stressing that startups should only raise funds when necessary to support their growth engines. He uses Facebook as an example of effective capital use to support natural growth without falling into the trap of wasteful spending.
"hell so like I don't know I'm I'm paranoid I'm I'm always convinced that the month at the bottom is gonna fall out on me cuz that happened to my first startup I I was killed by the dot-com crash in my..."
Facing the Reality of Startup Challenges
In this candid segment, Ries addresses the emotional toll of startup challenges, encouraging founders to regularly assess their progress and be honest about their performance. He emphasizes the importance of recognizing when a strategy isn't working and having the courage to pivot or persevere.
"idea let's go to one last question I mean right like it sucks to be us that yeah it's just really freaking hard there's nothing I'm nothing intelligent to say here other than have your pivot or persev..."