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Bernie Sanders Interview | Lex Fridman Podcast #450

Bernie Sanders Interview | Lex Fridman Podcast #450

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Bernie Sanders is a US Senator from Vermont and a two-time presidential candidate. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep450-sb See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. *Transcript:* https://lexfridman.com/bernie-sanders-transcript *CONTACT LEX:* *Feedback* - give feedback to Lex: https://lexfridman.com/survey *AMA* - submit questions, videos or call-in: https://lexfridman.com/ama *Hiring* - join our team: https://lexfridman.com/hiring *Other* - other ways to get in touch: https://lexfridman.com/contact *EPISODE LINKS:* Bernie's Website: https://berniesanders.com Bernie's X: https://x.com/BernieSanders Bernie's Instagram: https://instagram.com/berniesanders Bernie's YouTube: https://youtube.com/@BernieSanders Bernie's Facebook: https://facebook.com/berniesanders Bernie's Books: It's OK to Be Angry About Capitalism: https://amzn.to/4fiIqS3 Where We Go from Here: https://amzn.to/4eUSJMj Bernie Sanders Guide to Political Revolution: https://amzn.to/3YkVAa4 Our Revolution: https://amzn.to/40cIbnf Outsider in the White House: https://amzn.to/3BSfD8u *SPONSORS:* To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: *Eight Sleep:* Temp-controlled smart mattress. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/eight_sleep-ep450-sb *Saily:* An eSIM for international travel. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/saily-ep450-sb *Ground News:* Unbiased news source. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/ground_news-ep450-sb *AG1:* All-in-one daily nutrition drinks. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/ag1-ep450-sb *LMNT:* Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep450-sb *OUTLINE:* 0:00 - Introduction 1:40 - MLK Jr 4:33 - Corruption in politics 15:50 - Healthcare in US 24:23 - 2016 election 30:21 - Barack Obama 36:16 - Capitalism 44:25 - Response to attacks 49:22 - AOC and progressive politics 57:13 - Mortality 59:20 - Hope for the future *PODCAST LINKS:* - Podcast Website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast - Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr - Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 - RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ - Podcast Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4 - Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/lexclips *SOCIAL LINKS:* - X: https://x.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://instagram.com/lexfridman - TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://facebook.com/lexfridman - Patreon: https://patreon.com/lexfridman - Telegram: https://t.me/lexfridman - Reddit: https://reddit.com/r/lexfridman

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0:00 - 1:12
1:11 duration234 words

Challenging the Status Quo

Bernie Sanders discusses the popular support for progressive ideas like raising the minimum wage and healthcare for all. He reflects on his presidential campaigns, emphasizing how they challenged the establishment narrative that the status quo is unchangeable. Sanders highlights the importance of grassroots movements in shifting public perception and gaining traction for these ideas.

"the ideas that I am talking about are ideas that are widely supported everything that I talk about raising the minimum wage health care for all a tax system which demands the billionaires pay their fa..."

2
1:12 - 2:31
1:19 duration220 words

The Influence of Martin Luther King Jr.

In this segment, Bernie Sanders shares his experience attending the March on Washington in 1963, where Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his iconic 'I Have a Dream' speech. He reflects on King's focus on both racial justice and economic equality, emphasizing the importance of grassroots organization in enacting social change.

"Bernie Sanders senator from Vermont and two-time presidential candidate both times as the underdog who against the long odds captivated the support and excitement of millions of people both on the lef..."

3
2:31 - 3:58
1:27 duration246 words

King's Courage Against War

Sanders discusses Martin Luther King Jr.'s courageous stance against the Vietnam War, highlighting how King's advocacy for peace and justice extended beyond civil rights. He notes the backlash King faced from the establishment after speaking out against the war, illustrating the challenges of advocating for comprehensive social justice.

"extraordinary I took a bus ride down with fellow students in the University of Chicago and it was a zillion people there I'm not sure if it was the first time I'd ever been in Washington in my life bu..."

4
3:58 - 5:00
1:02 duration170 words

Lessons from the Iraq War

Bernie Sanders reflects on his opposition to the Iraq War and the Patriot Act, drawing parallels to the Vietnam War. He discusses the importance of questioning government narratives and the consequences of military intervention, emphasizing the need for accountability and transparency in foreign policy.

"message sent out you're black deal with civil rights don't worry about foreign policy we'll take care of that but he said you know if I talk about peace and nonviolence I can't sit back and allow what..."

5
5:00 - 6:34
1:34 duration289 words

The Rise of Oligarchy

In this segment, Sanders warns about the growing oligarchic tendencies in the United States, where wealth and power are increasingly concentrated among a few. He discusses the implications of this trend on democracy and the economy, stressing the need for systemic change to ensure equitable representation.

"into Iraq what was your thinking at the time behind that those speeches behind voting no on the Patriot Act on the Iraq resolution and maybe ironically came out of maybe the war in Vietnam and the eas..."

6
6:34 - 8:00
1:26 duration244 words

The Role of Lobbyists

Sanders highlights the influence of lobbyists in Washington, particularly from the pharmaceutical industry. He explains how the presence of numerous lobbyists contributes to high prescription drug prices and reflects on the broader implications of corporate influence in politics.

"political system and it's we don't talk about it what is the reality of the political system today and that is that billionaires are spending huge amounts of money to buy this election in Trump's camp..."

7
8:00 - 9:50
1:50 duration320 words

Corruption in Politics

In this segment, Sanders discusses the nature of corruption in politics, emphasizing that it often stems from the dependence of politicians on wealthy donors rather than direct bribery. He argues for the need to reduce the influence of money in politics to restore democratic integrity.

"institution in the Pentagon we spend a trillion dollar a year on the Pentagon it is the only Federal agency that cannot is not able to submit to an independent audit so if you think there's not massiv..."

8
9:50 - 11:38
1:48 duration373 words

Public Funding of Elections

Sanders advocates for public funding of elections as a solution to the corrupting influence of money in politics. He discusses the need for reforms that limit campaign spending and ensure that candidates are accountable to their constituents rather than wealthy donors.

"I think in 2016 have companies lobbyist ever try to buy you try to influence you we don't welcome them into our office I do deal with these guys but it's usually on a confrontational tone no so they d..."

9
11:38 - 13:05
1:27 duration285 words

Grassroots Movements for Change

In this segment, Sanders emphasizes the importance of grassroots movements in advocating for political reform. He argues that a collective effort is necessary to challenge the status quo and push for changes that reflect the will of the people.

"view how do we make that happen when uh there's so much money in the system and the politicians uh oh to the people who paid for their election does it have to come from the very top essentially sort ..."

10
13:05 - 14:23
1:18 duration273 words

Radical Ideas for a Better Future

Sanders discusses the perception of his policy proposals as radical, arguing that they are actually popular among the public. He highlights the need for bold ideas to address systemic issues like healthcare and economic inequality, asserting that these ideas resonate with the majority.

"we need a Grassroots movement to say when somebody is at a town meeting you're running for the Senate you're running for the house what's your view on citizens of United are you prepared to vote to ov..."

11
14:23 - 15:01
0:38 duration112 words

Healthcare as a Human Right

In this concluding segment, Sanders asserts that healthcare should be considered a human right. He shares polling data indicating widespread public support for universal healthcare, emphasizing that the U.S. is an outlier among developed nations in failing to provide this basic necessity.

"let's talk about Healthcare go out on the street do it we do a poll I've done the polling is Health Care a human right should every American be able to go to a doctor when they need regardless of thei..."

12
15:30 - 16:58
1:27 duration291 words

Envisioning Medicare for All

In this segment, Sanders outlines his vision for an improved Medicare system that would eventually cover all Americans. He discusses the importance of expanding Medicare to include essential services and lowering the eligibility age, emphasizing the potential for a more equitable healthcare system.

"bottom line is that because of our corrupt political system we have a health care System designed not to provide Health Care to old people to make huge profits for the drug companies and the insurance..."

13
16:58 - 18:22
1:24 duration283 words

The Cost of Healthcare in America

Sanders explains how the current healthcare system burdens families with high costs and out-of-pocket expenses. He argues that transitioning to a publicly funded system would alleviate financial stress and improve access to care, ultimately saving money for families.

"strengthen medic and have everybody in the system and when you do that and this is not just me talking number of Studies have pointed this out when you take the profit motive out of it from the insura..."

14
18:22 - 19:43
1:21 duration248 words

The Psychological Toll of Healthcare Costs

Sanders highlights the psychological impact of healthcare costs on Americans, noting that fear of financial ruin prevents many from seeking necessary medical care. He discusses the broader implications of this fear on public health and the need for systemic change.

"out of pocket we pay through it through Medicare Medicaid Veterans Administration Etc uh what I am proposing is really not radical it's what exists in Canada and other countries it is publicly funded ..."

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19:43 - 21:00
1:16 duration263 words

The Crisis of Prescription Drug Costs

In this segment, Sanders addresses the high prices of prescription drugs in the U.S. and the consequences for patients. He shares alarming statistics about Americans unable to afford necessary medications and the resulting strain on the healthcare system.

"to the hospital even if there's something wrong with you if there's pain and all that so you just live in a state of fear psychological fear that's the number one problem is it's not just Financial ps..."

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21:00 - 22:03
1:03 duration222 words

The Need for a Unified Healthcare System

Sanders argues for a unified healthcare system that prioritizes patient care over profits. He emphasizes the need for a political movement to advocate for healthcare reform, highlighting the widespread public support for such changes.

"extremely expensive proposition okay or you end up in the hospital could you know rather than dealing with the problem when it occurs and and what is not talked about you know I mentioned earlier how ..."

17
22:03 - 23:05
1:01 duration218 words

The Insanity of America's Healthcare System

In this segment, Sanders critiques the current healthcare system as inhumane and unsustainable. He discusses the financial and emotional burdens placed on families and the need for a fundamental overhaul to ensure healthcare is accessible to all.

"there's just so many stories and not even the horrific stories there countless horrific stories but just basic stories of cost like my friend uh a Doctor Peter Atia has this story where he happens to ..."

18
23:05 - 24:03
0:57 duration176 words

The Role of Political Will in Healthcare Reform

Sanders stresses the importance of political will in enacting healthcare reform. He argues that a populist president is necessary to challenge the status quo and advocate for the needs of the American people over corporate interests.

"system it is an inhumane system uh but you know the insurance companies and the drug companies are very powerful and they make a lot of campaign contributions have a lot of lobbyists and we are where ..."

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24:03 - 25:15
1:12 duration201 words

Reflections on the 2016 Campaign

Reflecting on his 2016 presidential campaign, Sanders shares his feelings about the challenges he faced from the Democratic establishment. He expresses pride in the support he garnered and the ideas he brought to the forefront of political discourse.

"needs to be a mass movement and um probably I mean from my perspective it has to come from the very top it has to come from the president and the president has to be a populist president where they do..."

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25:15 - 26:58
1:43 duration324 words

The Impact of Worker Productivity

Sanders discusses the paradox of rising worker productivity and stagnant wages over the past 50 years. He highlights the disconnect between economic growth and the financial well-being of the working class, calling for a reevaluation of economic policies.

"you know the opposition is going to be extraordinary uh but what I am extremely proud of from that campaign in 2020 as well is that we took on the anointed candidate of the establishment and we showed..."

21
27:00 - 28:35
1:34 duration310 words

The Case for Economic Justice

In this segment, Sanders elaborates on the economic disparities in America, citing statistics on wealth redistribution and the struggles of the working class. He argues for a more equitable society where wealth and power are shared more fairly, emphasizing the need for systemic change.

"going to ask you a question are you ready for this Lex let's go here we go over the last 50 years there's been a massive increase in worker productivity as a result of Technology right everyone agrees..."

22
28:35 - 30:11
1:35 duration300 words

Reflections on the 2016 Election

Sanders reflects on his 2016 presidential campaign and the challenges of aligning with the Democratic Party. He discusses the importance of preventing Donald Trump from winning and the complexities of political alliances, revealing the difficult choices faced by progressive politicians.

"America I got to get back to 2016 because it's such a historic moment so there's a lot of fans of yours that uh wanted you to keep fighting because you forgave in the end the establishment and joined ..."

23
30:11 - 31:02
0:51 duration157 words

The Prophet vs. the Politician

In a thought-provoking exchange, Sanders shares a story about his meeting with Barack Obama, where Obama likened him to a 'moral voice' for the party. Sanders discusses the tension between being a transformative figure and making pragmatic political choices, highlighting the challenges of enacting change.

"to try to do what I could to prevent Trump from getting uh uh elected and in 2020 I did the same with Biden and we had more success with Biden than we had with Clinton well there's this interesting uh..."

24
31:02 - 32:22
1:20 duration216 words

Lessons from Historical Figures

Sanders draws inspiration from historical figures like Martin Luther King Jr. and Eugene Debs, emphasizing the importance of raising consciousness among ordinary people. He argues that societal transformation is possible when grassroots movements mobilize for change, reflecting on the progress made in civil rights and gender equality.

"prophets don't are you willing to make those choices basically Obama is making a case that you have to sort of um moderate your approach in order to win so was was Obama right look and again that's wh..."

25
32:22 - 33:39
1:17 duration252 words

The Role of Grassroots Movements

In this segment, Sanders discusses the significance of grassroots activism in achieving social change. He highlights recent advancements in women's rights and LGBTQ+ rights, asserting that real progress occurs when people organize and demand change from the bottom up.

"you can lose and win if you're into transforming uh Society what my view is where I disagree with Obama is I think you have got to raise Consciousness among Ordinary People and when people know what's..."

26
33:39 - 34:44
1:04 duration190 words

Admiring Obama's Legacy

Sanders shares his admiration for Barack Obama, acknowledging his historic presidency and contributions to American politics. He discusses the complexities of their political disagreements while recognizing Obama's achievements and the challenges faced by leaders in the current political landscape.

"that's how you got to bring about change so just to go back to Obama though in many ways he too is a singular historic figure in American politics who has brought about a lot of change he's a symbol I..."

27
34:44 - 36:14
1:30 duration281 words

The Challenges of the Establishment

Sanders addresses the powerful influence of the establishment in American politics, including the military-industrial complex and healthcare industry. He emphasizes the difficulty of enacting change against well-funded lobbyists and the need for a collective effort to challenge these forces.

"even if people disagree with him politically um so he deserves and again don't ever don't underestimate I think you know years ago there were people who said a black president in our lifetimes never g..."

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36:14 - 37:45
1:30 duration239 words

Critique of Hyper-Capitalism

In this segment, Sanders critiques hyper-capitalism and its impact on society. He discusses the balance between encouraging innovation and ensuring a decent standard of living for all citizens, advocating for a social safety net that provides essential services like healthcare and education.

"want it all I have to ask you about capitalism the pros and cons so you wrote a book it's okay to be angry about capitalism that is a a thorough rigorous criticism of I would say hyper capitalism yes ..."

29
37:45 - 39:52
2:06 duration420 words

Creating a Fairer Society

Sanders outlines his vision for a fairer society that prioritizes the well-being of all citizens. He contrasts the American system with those in Scandinavian countries, advocating for policies that ensure healthcare, education, and basic needs are met for everyone, regardless of income.

"countries if you look at Scandinavia and this shocks people because we don't talk about this at all so in Scandinavia has been the case you know Denmark Finland Norway for years that people have Healt..."

30
40:05 - 41:52
1:47 duration385 words

Wealth and Innovation

In this segment, Sanders reflects on the balance between rewarding innovation and addressing wealth inequality. He shares insights from his conversation with Bill Gates, emphasizing that true motivation for innovators often comes from passion rather than financial gain. Sanders critiques the extreme wealth concentration in society, arguing that while innovation should be celebrated, it should not come at the cost of a living wage for the working class.

"plus billion but he gets by and I said to him Bill he was supposed to ask me questions I asked him the question I bill tell me something you know you're an innovator with Microsoft and all that stuff ..."

31
41:52 - 43:00
1:07 duration241 words

Minimum Wage and Poverty

Sanders addresses the issue of minimum wage in America, criticizing the federal minimum wage of $7.25 as insufficient for workers to live above the poverty line. He advocates for a minimum wage of $17 per hour, arguing that in the richest country in history, no one working full-time should live in poverty. This segment highlights the struggles of low-wage workers and the need for systemic change to support them.

"that is the look I am no great fan of Elon mus espe especially in the role that he's playing right now in Trump's campaign but is he a brilliant guy of course he is does he work like a dog of course h..."

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43:00 - 44:55
1:54 duration361 words

Wealth and Political Attacks

In response to attacks on his wealth, Sanders explains how he accumulated his assets primarily through book sales and his modest lifestyle. He reflects on his working-class roots and how they shape his political perspective. Sanders emphasizes that while he has gained financial stability, he remains committed to advocating for working-class issues and maintaining a connection with ordinary people's struggles.

"$75 can you just speak to that tweet look nothing new Trump didn't invent it it's a called a photo opportunity I've done one or two in my life too so you go to a place he puts on an apron he Good Old ..."

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44:55 - 46:59
2:03 duration387 words

Impact of Wealth on Perspective

Sanders discusses how his financial situation has changed over the years and how it affects his ability to relate to working-class Americans. He shares personal anecdotes about the stress of financial insecurity and how his current wealth alleviates those worries. This segment underscores the importance of understanding economic struggles while advocating for policies that benefit the working class.

"modest so what's your response usually to those attacks do I own three residences yeah I do I live here in Burlington Vermont we live in a m middle class neighborhood nice house uh guess what I'm a Un..."

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46:59 - 48:50
1:51 duration399 words

The Future of the Democratic Party

In this segment, Sanders reflects on the future of the Democratic Party, emphasizing the growing influence of the progressive movement. He discusses the internal struggle between the corporate wing and the progressive wing of the party, advocating for a focus on working-class issues. Sanders highlights the importance of electing representatives who genuinely represent the needs of working families.

"wife who also grew up in a working-class family will tell you the same we don't worry you raised that issue you know if we have to go to the doctor if our kids have to go to the doctor we go to the do..."

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48:50 - 52:50
4:00 duration738 words

2024 Presidential Election Considerations

Sanders shares his thoughts on the 2024 presidential election and his decision not to run. He emphasizes the importance of unity within the Democratic Party to prevent a Trump victory. Sanders expresses support for Biden's domestic policies while advocating for future progressive candidates who can continue to push for change within the party.

"worry about that and I don't have to worry about it but your point is again to me I don't like big fancy cars or big fancy homes don't go on my wife will tell you we've not been on a real vacation for..."

36
52:50 - 53:12
0:21 duration75 words

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Influence

In this closing segment, Sanders praises Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as a significant voice for the progressive movement. He reflects on their collaboration and the impact she has had in shaping the future of progressive politics in the United States. This segment highlights the importance of young leaders in driving change within the Democratic Party.

"president and the hope for you is that there will be future candidates that are populist that are progressive yeah absolutely let me ask you about a she's become one of the most influential voices for..."

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54:52 - 57:07
2:15 duration451 words

Legacy and Impact on American Politics

Bernie Sanders reflects on his political legacy, discussing his accomplishments as mayor and senator, including the American Rescue Plan. He emphasizes the popularity of his ideas, such as raising the minimum wage and healthcare for all, and how his campaign inspired a new generation of progressive candidates across the country.

"Alexandria what do you think is the most powerful enduring impact you've had on American politics looking back you've been in it for quite a bit well you know I don't know that I can give you a singul..."

38
57:07 - 1:01:00
3:52 duration704 words

Facing Mortality with Hope

In a candid moment, Bernie Sanders discusses his thoughts on mortality and aging. He expresses a lack of fear towards death but shares concerns about infirmity. Despite the challenges facing the world, he finds hope in the younger generation's desire for positive change and the collective efforts to improve society.

"came dozens of candidates now in the House of Representatives people on city council people on State Legislature who did win so we mentioned about the worry of getting sick the worry of life that many..."

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1:01:00 - 1:02:21
1:20 duration250 words

The Importance of Honest Dialogue

Bernie Sanders concludes the interview by acknowledging the growing dissatisfaction with corporate media. He appreciates the need for calm, honest discussions about critical issues often overlooked. Sanders expresses gratitude for platforms that facilitate meaningful conversations, reinforcing the importance of civic engagement and awareness.

"it's a great honor to speak to you today thank you so much well thank you very much for what you're doing let me just say a word about you're doing okay to return the the compliments here you know I t..."