"All the people who sold the war in Iraq they lied us into war after a war. They've bankrupted the country, damn near destroyed the dollar, and like no one loses their job. No one even gets in trouble ..."

"everyone talking about the flight logs and the files? Where are the tapes? This guy was clearly taping people to blackmail them. Like, why does anything need to be redacted for national security? Like..."

"like anything like with left-wing schools of thought or right-wing schools of thought, there's many different camps and different thinkers and so within the kind of broader theme of libertarianism the..."

"founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson or George Washington. Number one, I mean all of the major issues that he w he was correct in his understanding of them his diagnosis of what caused these problems an..."

"No, because well, he was a medical doctor and then he was he would be the lone no vote in Congress like all the time like on on the bills that the entire Congress bipartisan agreement everything is an..."

"And he was, you know, you imagine what it must have been like from like the lobbyist perspective when they first tried to go there, you know, and they'd be like, "All right, listen. we really need you..."

"worship or something like that. I do think he's a I think he's a genuinely great man and I think great men are to be revered. Yeah, as you said there's integrity there. Can you speak to the ideas that..."

"so there there's a a lot of components to that, but essentially Ron Paul was talking about draining the swamp way before it was like this dominant mass message. And I think Ron Paul in many ways laid ..."

"things for me, okay, at the time. So I was like a I was a young man when I first found Ron Paul. I was I was in uh 2007 was when I first saw him and then started obsessively reading all of his books. ..."

"make sense to like what are what is it exactly that like um all the Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush and and even like Milton Friedman and guys like that and Thomas Soul and the it's like you want a c..."

"oppose that would be the Ron Paul worldview. And then the other thing for me and this was actually this was my introduction to Ron Paul. And this too to me was like kind of a portal in a way. It was i..."

"this click for me. But it's in a way and I'm not like I'm not a leftist. I'm not an egalitarian. I'm not a cultural relativist. I'm not saying that all cultures are the same or that we all look at the..."

"it's like that's it's in a way when you look at it like that there's something even though it's so dark and tragic there's something almost beautiful about it where you're like, "Oh, we're all caught ..."

"was the case that like the New York Times and NBC and CBS and ABC and the Washington Post and the the Associated Press, I guess, they could just move the nation. I mean if they wanted to be like hey t..."

"it. Well so to push back a little bit throughout human history there was also a thing you look at the Roman Empire where just the cultural values were different where military conquest was seen as a g..."

"China. More than a little bit. Yeah. But there I can't even see a justification for a just war. What is the long-term benefit to society if you do military intervention? I well I also think this and I..."

"all the war games that they've run, if we did militarily, even if it doesn't come to nuclear weapons being used, in which case the whole world gets blown up. But even if we go to militarily try to sto..."

"military industry. Well, yeah. And and it was totally destructive during the original Cold War, too. um and almost led to nuclear war on a couple of different occasions. But look, I would just say and..."

"Ukraine a lot and and with the situation in China and Taiwan is that there are um there are constraints placed on us by reality. It's not all just how would you like the world to be? How would you lik..."

"right to kill innocent people there. That's never morally okay. Now there could be a scenario just like this is true in life in general right like there's lots of things that you don't have the right ..."

"about all these these wars. you know it's not like um you know, I think that like let's just say like if you could make World War II like you could reduce it down to the simplest caricature of what Wo..."

"guess essentially I'd say no you don't ever have a right to kill innocent people. It's never self-defense to be killing innocent people. I mean short of like you know some type of scenario where like ..."

"is, is it is there no other option than doing it this way? It's like, okay, like October 7th happened. We can all agree this was like a a horrific tragedy um and a you know, an indefensible act of ter..."

"And you see, you know, the um these, you know, teenagers being killed and the people um you know, you see the images of people uh who were who are held hostage for all this time. So, it's like your he..."

"He had this strategy of propping up Hamas for years. And so he had this strategy of propping up Hamas um for a myriad of reasons. Um, but a major part of it was that look man, as long as there's terro..."

"after a war or even a couple of years after a war while they're figuring out what we're going to do with them. It's been over 60 years. is the the we're talking about a a one week long war or a day sh..."

"think it's really it's it's a tragedy that the Arabs embraced terrorism. Uh I don't think it's unique to them. And in fact, you know, I think it was the um the Zionist militias who introduced terroris..."

"been to war since you know and like I do at least try to hold out that like that is you know it's not like Egypt is you're not going to say they don't have an issue with radical Islam in Egypt you kno..."

"also remember in the hopeful message you send like at any day you can make a deal. That's one of the frustrating things I had with I hosted a debate on Israel. It's like it just felt hopeless and a lo..."

"Egypt like if the Israelis they're almost like look these are American sock puppets you know for the most part right and So their their thing is that like okay 100% of my population is completely oppo..."

"of their land. And that the whole um a land for people for a people without land was never true. That was just a slogan that made that felt good to avoid what you guys actually did. and the fact that ..."

"no question that they have pursued they have they have pursued a path that was just devastating to their own people and there's no question they have not spent the resources they have on their priorit..."

"mission accomplished banners and flying on jet. I mean, I think all of the I think having Bob Hope specials at the end of the Persian Gulf War was sickening. I just think all of it is like horrific. U..."

"for the prospects of peace. Well, I'd say I get your point. I guess it's an interesting question that I I don't know if any of us know exactly the answer to but I would say that like um you know even ..."

"there's an aggressive military campaign support for Hamas goes back up. So, I just think that like I'm more hopeful than not that like you could get to a place where like but it it requires like you y..."

"his words were, "The Zionist Project always knew it was going to involve transfer." That was Benny Morris's words. Now, when when Finkelestein was grilling him on this on your podcast, he kind of said..."

"have voting rights. And I just by any other like reasonable commonly held standard of democracy, we would not call that a democracy. I mean, like, I'm not again, I'm not even saying this to try to be ..."

"mean look they kill people in a more primitive barbaric way I guess you could say you know there's something a little bit cleaner about like you know when it's done by a government um and it's collate..."

"bad guy and I want to kill you and you're at home with a a bunch of women and children and I know there's women and children there. Like I know for a fact that if I blow up this building it's going to..."

"pretty much and then also when you mix in with that the fact that like you know I mean if you go and I'm not taking an opinion on the word genocide. I don't even like to get into that conversation. I ..."

"leadership class. And that even if it is genuine when some people say it, that that's that's kind of not enough to get away from the the fact that it's, you know, when when Tucker was on um Pierce Mor..."

"murdering civilians. That said on a on a ethical consideration on which kind of ideals ideologies you can build a society after the war. One that even on the surface level states that the value of eve..."

"the same. So like fine, you could say but the point I'm making is more like I'm just saying how we would think about these things in a domestic setting. We're talking about like morality here. And mor..."

"accept that excuse. Like, what? Yeah that guy was bad. You still had an obligation to do something else. That was never accept. Now that we may look at things differently in the context of a war, but ..."

"Yeah. I mean, by its very definition it's innocent people dying almost always, right? Like it's it's difficult to pick which is the just war. And even World War II, because of the complexities that yo..."

"went, you're in a lot of trouble. If you wanted to compare Hitler to Stalin's body count at that time, Stalin was already a genocidal maniac and Hitler had not gone genocidal yet. So there is a weird ..."

"scientifically figured it out. Since you mentioned Daryl Cooper, you're friends with him. Can you tell me about him and tell me about the whole saga about where he got attacked after the the talker in..."

"if that's what you are coming into it for. Okay. One thing I want to say is I think calling Daryl Nazi Nazi sympathizer is just wrong and it it does a lot of damage. I think he's he has a lot of value..."

"go to total war against a civilian population because this one time it was necessary. Like it's and and the idea that Bobby Kennedy said this to me again, somebody who I I really do love and uh admire..."

"unproductive. And yet the only ones who ever have dropped them are us. Yeah. I was arguing with one guy on a podcast uh and he said that he goes, "You can't allow dictators to have nuclear weapons cuz..."

"then you also see people who will be asking like completely legitimate questions or making completely legitimate points that are called anti-semitic. And then that I think does not help the dynamic at..."

"to like the Putin interview with Tucker I thought his whole 30 minute opening thing was like horrible and it's just like kind of stupid. Especially when you're talking to Tucker Carlson. You know, thi..."

"That sure is how they get other people to go look at what these Jews are doing in our foreign policy. So, I would I don't know. There's a lot going on. Um I do think I I think racialism of all differe..."

"and try ideas for size. And if I'm going to be punished severely by these, I'm okay being criticized by but when they're like lowbrain takes that are just lying about me on mass. Like he gets a huge a..."

"then with the um with the the Jewing post, too, it's just Yeah. It's it just feeds right into the the opposition side of how to caricature, you know? It's like, oh, so their game is they'll smear ever..."

"because the reason I'm leaning against doing it is because the very people you're talking about cuz I just don't want them to on either side, pro- Israel, pro, it doesn't really matter. But the chanti..."

"of this. Like it's just and I just like I just kind of made a decision at a certain point that it's like I'm just going to accept that that's the price of business here. That's what it costs and then ..."

"price. And so I just from my perspective I'm like, "Yeah, but how could you turn down getting three hours with Netanyahu?" Like that would just be so interesting. And I'm not even saying you know, lik..."

"leader is a very specific thing and people don't understand that. For example, you and I can mouth off. We can be super supportive of Netanyahu is super critical in a way that you can't do in front of..."

"probably all had things like certain type of ventures in life where you're like, all right, no, I don't want to do that. But then you have to have a moment and be like, why is it you don't want to? Oh..."

"a good idea cuz I don't know I that's the cool thing about the things we do. You've been through a lot of battles. You you've walked into a lot of tough debates and it's like you don't know this could..."

"myself against someone being like, "No it's not like that." and then you know like showing that I think I can stand up to these these kind of challenges. So I feel like I'm kind of obligated, but then..."

"you. I think there's supposed to be an expiration date on it. I think we're supposed to we're supposed to um there's something about like uh scarcity being a necessary component in a lot of different ..."

"rogue elements within those organizations like this is not necessarily coming from the director or or what you know I I don't know but you look at the guy the way his his career trajectory tracks is l..."

"I mean like the there's a blackmail operation that relies on raping American children and and like if this is uh you know whether it's CIA or MSAD doesn't make one less you know it's equally horrible ..."

"apparatus that we did not see at the very least see mass resignations over this. Forget even like at the very least expect that it would have been prosecuted and shut down. And then, you know, still t..."

"getting around the the huge indictment it is of this entire like everything. And I I mean, even the the fact that even the Trump administration when Pam Bondi goes, "We're going to release all of this..."

"these institutions. I'm the same actually. I believe in institutions like I I think they have val so this is where you and I probably disagree on the libertarian side I think it's I think institutions..."

"lot of this stuff with with so much of this too, it's just laziness and people searching for confirmation bias and people searching for a simpler story because that's easier. So if you're if they beli..."

"they're like they're they're human beings. And I think a lot of them as human beings are exhausted by journalists by shitty journalists I should say that and it's hard for them to know which is the go..."

"all the talks of banning Tik Tok increased and stuff. So for him, say like when he did the Tucker interview or if he does an interview with you, well that's a way for him to do an endound and allow hi..."

"this war. And you know, I'm sure to some degree at least Netanyahu is like feels like he has to try to get his perspective into that internet conversation area. And so I think a lot of different peopl..."

"you know, whatever. Even when they were going um before they did the uh Obama and Hillary Clinton did the regime change war in Libya, it was like all this propaganda. They're like, he's buying up Viag..."

"solution here. And so there's just like a lot and and the problem is when you don't like if you make everybody monsters and they're not human beings, well, you can't do diplomacy with monsters. You ca..."

"puts Donald Trump and and I don't think everything he's done has been perfect um and I really did not like that mineral uh deal that he was floating out for a while there and I I think maybe that migh..."

"fought. And also like there's simply we're in this weird position where America postures like they're so tough but really when it comes down to it we're not going to war in Ukraine. There's no politic..."

"throughout the war. And there's been a lot of solid reporting on this. And I mean the sources on it are pretty impeccable. The the head of NATO Stlenberg, I always mess up his name but he literally sa..."

"So, I do think I think uh also the Joe Biden's CIA director who was a CI CIA director's whole four years uh uh William Burns uh when he was ambassador to Russia, he wrote the net means net and in the ..."

"he did it seemed like he I'm not defending the decision. I'm just saying it seemed like he reluctantly uh debate, you know, what was it in 2014 or 15 when they had the plebites in Crimea and in the Do..."

"security guarantee in the future. I think the problem with that is just again like I don't mean to be cruel about this because like it sucks that there's little countries that are next to big countrie..."

"that we left unsaid uh that's important to say is that Putin invaded Ukraine in uh February 24th 2022. And I think he is, at least from my perspective, the person who started the war. You could talk a..."

"right. You know, my my friend Scott Horton, who I was talking to you about um, who just totally brilliant guy, even in his book, there's a whole chapter of all the other options of what Vladimir Putin..."

"happened. And listen, it may be right or it may be wrong. Um, but if China or Russia ever like backed a street push to overthrow the democratically elected government in Mexico and then install a pro-..."

"uh with whoever the future president is. You'll be the only guy who's interviewed both of them, I think. Yeah. During this war, right? And I have to say the border crossing is getting increasingly mor..."

"Plus a history in both nations of super sophisticated and expansive intelligence agencies. Right. Right. Right. Yeah that's a very good point. Yeah. You host a podcast called Part of the Problem. Yes...."

"like kind of the thing that made comedians big. The things before that used to be like uh Letterman and Leno and Conan like comedians would get like a seven minute set on there and even if you do grea..."

"like that. So like I always really admired him and I was always a huge fan of his. And then he literally not only did he like change my life, but he changed like all of my friends lives. Like it's lik..."

"become more scared cuz they like the comfort of just like normal life cuz when you're taking risks, you're going to pay for it. Even if you have money not just financially, just like it's going to it'..."

"there's just a lot of things like that. There's a lot of things I even see like because it's a very popular conspiracy theory online now that um that Israel did 9/11. And I'm like, uh, I'm open. You k..."

"some sometimes the the constant conspiracy guys, not always, but sometimes they just get sloppy when it comes to actually analyzing how strong the case is. I mean, there's several psychological effect..."

"you kind of have to be certain about things. But then there there's a real problem with that, which is that a lot of times you're just bullshitting or you're just or you're or you're not right. You're..."

"American people just wouldn't put up with it anymore. And this is why trust in every institution and the corporate media and the Congress and all of it has evaporated is that it's like he's just sayin..."

"transparency, more like authenticity. I think also the Democratic party has learned the lesson of like you have to have candidates that do I I don't give a shit about podcast, but do podcast like thin..."

"think is long-term a real positive development, you know, like you you just kind of know going forward the Democrats, right, which I think is kind of what you were saying, right? You can't run a Camal..."

"makes you actually a better person. I I ultimately think that Barack Obama was a fascinating human being. And there was a choice made early on to be more to do like less interviews, be more behind the..."

"They're a mess like I've never seen a political party before. But that in itself is is I think a very good thing. And what comes from here is there's a lot of possibilities now. And you know there's n..."

"to the Democrats. But the thing is, it would have to be somebody outside of the three-letter agency control cuz that's what everyone's rejecting right now. But if you were to actually sit there and go..."

"and he told me this once and I just always loved it and he so I call it Ebstein's Ebstein's case not that Eb different Ebstein Jean Ebstein no relation I want to be clear on that okay this is Jean's l..."

"neocons because when he was trying to have daunt with Russia the neocons were in the press being like he just guaranteed another hundred years of Soviet dominance you know and if someone had just been..."

"remember so vividly 2002 and and 2002 now you know 911 happened in late 200 1. We invaded Iraq in 2003, but all of 2002 was a massive propaganda campaign just constantly laying down the blueprints for..."

"a place now where we have this world of possibilities that that would have seemed impossible just so recently. And so just thinking like all of that rambling stew, whatever all that was that leaves me..."