"what we put into place is something we called Fight Club I'll probably get in trouble for talking about Fight Club the first R was he don't talk about Fight Club but it's uh 30 minutes every week and ..."

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"had to really change you know people couldn't travel they had to work from in there a whole bunch of industries that got highly impacted by that and it created this time of high ambiguity before that ..."

"leadership outsite and one of the speakers there was Ben Cur and he's a an expert in having the right mindset so he works with Olympic gold medalists and uh ashb is another one he's a tennis player sh..."

"give you a couple yeah please yeah one of the first ones was uh my team at PMS is big enough now where not everyone necessarily gets to know everyone else and when you don't have that relationship it ..."

"managers too to give each other feedback and is the feedback on like one pagers and prds and strategy docs and things like that what sort of documents are they giving feedback on so it's really open e..."

"less or being more worried about about talking in big meetings probably when we got into really different sort of uh streams of work that were happening where people didn't have as much of a reason to..."

"business board awesome okay so you mentioned that you all are remote and have been has it been remote from the beginning no not from the beginning actually when Co hit I think that was the Big M okay ..."

"can give you a couple of tips from that and and what we found from some of our research yeah and we'll link to that Doc in the show notes okay great uh so the first one is just making time for connect..."

"so I mentioned that we went through um you know sort of a bit a few stumbling blocks at the start one of those was uh immediately everyone sort of filled up everybody's calendar with all of these meet..."

"what we do there is I I personally hate having status updates as a meeting so and make it really clear that if we're having a meeting this is to solve a problem and if it's just a status update that's..."

"helpful kind of along the same lines being fully remote it is harder to get buying on things you're working on I imagine and something I hear you're great at is getting buying especially getting Buy o..."

"maybe summarize so far what you've shared one is just basically it's l people in early especially the person that it's going to impact most I think an addition to that is having that mindset of being ..."

"then you're exposing um your idea for people to go oh here's more that I know about that high itheses or here's some data that you don't have or here's another way to think about it I think people can..."

"because it would mean adding a whole bunch of much needed capability really quickly to the product and I just love that momentum and I didn't see any other way that we could do this so I looked at a b..."

"there anything else you wanted to share along these lines before I move on to a different topic the other thing I would say is that setting up the meeting when you finally get there can be really impo..."

"people's confidence in the plan to go ahead would you mind just quickly summarizing these pieces of advice and then I was going to move on to another area of strength of yours that I hear yeah sure so..."

"uh this is where the term uh or the cliche of product manager asking but what problem are we trying to solve comes from but it comes from in a really important place of always focusing on let's all a ..."

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"successfully do that obviously it ties into this skill of Getting By in on stuff yeah I think that's a really good example actually the C set example because sometimes you can get caught up in let's a..."

"need to perform or different aspects of it like uh like the reliability or the speed or the usability how how did customers feel about that we actually had a podcast episode recently where with Jud wh..."

"then we had a look at well what is this going to impact and so logically it's what we found well what we found was that uh usability was one of the key reasons like I said and and logically if your pr..."

"basically impossible there was no way that was going to happen but we did find that they were really passion about this area and improving usability so we work together to find a lowcost way for those..."

"last thing that was useful there actually is that we started pretty small too so I think if you have a hypothesis and you can start small you can get that investment more easily you can show success y..."

"that's amazing there's a lot of stuff I love about the story one is just the power of just empowering yourself to do things that you believe need to be done there's a lot of PMs and just people in gen..."

"investment awesome okay I want to move to a different topic around atlassian as a company but is there anything else you wanted to share along those lines before we do that no let's go for it okay so ..."

"not it's not like we added the first product and got it just right way off the bat so yeah 15 we've had a lot of shots at this uh so I might talk about two examples so I think um the first one you kno..."

"just developers anymore we sold this in our own teams as well but we sold the these other teams you know the finance the marketing teams even design teams was sort of cobbling together the own solu jr..."

"to that one but I can give you a um a second example oh great yeah for sure so um the second example actually came from our product and channel Innovation program and that like we we let anyone pitch ..."

"partnered with a partner company like Salesforce for for something like this for a new product in this case it was just really partnering heavily with our customers where we saw that interest coming t..."

"impact could be you know I can I can be self-sufficient in the revenue that I'm generating and scale is just like really launching it to take launch it yeah goes on the website okay so wonders like a ..."

"want to add something to your software but we're talking millions and millions of users there you know that thing has to be resilient it's got a scale there are all these things that users inherently ..."

"Innovation so we have these hackathons we call them ship it everyone the whole company stops and everyone can play with new ideas of Technologies it's it's a competition so the best idea is get visibi..."

"which has been really useful and the last thing is I think I I'm just really impressed at the way that we stay agile to move towards these different shifts that come up it always surprises me just how..."

"just think bigger with the products that you like you almost need to wait for it to First be successful right for you just to be like oh but can we do something more with this do you think you should ..."

"love that I love that because it for yeah and it makes it okay to bring up things that are bothering you and things that you think need to change and with that we reached our very exciting lightning r..."

"just inspired by Marty Kagan it holds up really well it was recommended to me by my first boss and it's just got a bunch of great tips in there just great foundational knowledge more recently what I'v..."

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