"By the time that an AI model can get gold in the  International Math Olympiad, is that just AGI?   Given the amount of creative problem solving  and chain of thought required to do that. To be honest,..."

"if it's getting gold in IMO, having seen  some of those problems from your channel,   I'm thinking “Wow, that's really coming  after podcasters and video animators.” I don't know. That feels orthogona..."

"Tell me why I should be less amazed by  it or maybe put it in a different context   but the reason I would be very impressed  is… With chess, obviously this is not all   the chess programs are doing, ..."

"I'm surprised you wouldn't be more compelled. I am compelled. Or you just don't think that skill  of — this problem is isomorphic to   this completely different way of thinking  about what's happening..."

"Because I think this thing happens when you fall  in love with math or some sort of technical field,   by default in school, you study that. And when  you're studying that, effectively you're going   ..."

"But I don't know. I don't know what  more effectively looks like because   at the end of the day I'm like I'm  a Math YouTuber. I'm not someone who   has a career in logistics or manufacturing or  all..."

"We were talking about this before the interview  started but we have a much better grasp on   reality based on our mathematical tools.  I'm not talking about anything advanced.   Literally being able ..."

"I think there's something to be said for the fact  that there's still so much more value in paper.   if you and I were going to go into some math  topic right now. Let’s say you ask me something   tha..."

"If I try to reflect on my own history with what  I'm doing now I think I didn't appreciate early   on how much potential energy I had simply from  being a student in college where there's just a   bun..."

"I don't know if this is all also the case  for the people who have had genuine miracle   years where they were like letting  out all of this stuff and then it   takes a decade to build up that  same l..."

"things that eat into their mind share  and time and all of that such that even   if it's just 20 hours a week, that  really interrupts a creative flow. Were you a student when you started the channel?..."

"If the goal was to make Math YouTube videos it  would have been a wild thing to do it by making   [Manim](https://github.com/3b1b/manim)  as the method for it because   it's so strikingly inefficient ..."

"Then again there's a lot of other people  who make their own tools for math GIFs and   little illustrations and things which  on the one hand feels very inefficient   If people come across a math GIF ..."

"This is personally interesting to me because  I also started the podcast in college and it   was just off track of anything I was planning on  doing otherwise. And this is many, many orders   of magni..."

"ways maybe that's helpful because I see a lot  of people who jump in with the goal of being a   Youtuber. I think it's the most common at desired  job among the youth is to be like a tiktoker or a   Y..."

"The beauty of the internet is that there's  an incentive to do that and I don't know if   this is the case with your podcast when you're  starting out, but not thinking about how can   I make this as ..."

"doesn't come about naturally in the course of  interacting with the world. Is that surprising? You're right that it's so in our bones that  it's hard to empathize with not having numeracy.   If you th..."

"some senses we've also like lost some numeracy or  lost some intuition in others, where now if you   ask middle school teachers what's a difficult  topic to teacher for students to understand   they'r..."

"Yeah, I have seen the thing from [Joseph   Henrich](https://heb.fas.harvard.edu/people/joseph-henrich)   where there's still existing tribes where  they're in this kind of situation. They   can do num..."

"the obvious stuff like the commerce examples  you mentioned where you go to a restaurant   and you're figuring out what to pay or what to  tip but that seems a very particular example. Do I really use..."

"you've had to disparate fields such that you  could maybe see that a problem-solving approach   that was used here might be useful here.  Sometimes that's literally codified in the   forms of connecti..."

"kid and was in this math circles event and someone  was asking this person, "What surprised you about   your job?” The first thing he said was how much  travel was involved. He wasn't expecting that. ..."

"I wouldn't have thought of math as being  new in that way, especially at the high   school level. I remember there's always  a sensation that it's frustrating that   all of the things are actually way..."

"Maybe it's pretty reasonable that most of it is  much, much more recent. That would be my guess. Some of these things seem actually pretty modern  like information theory. It is less than 100 years   ..."

"A lot of original concepts in chaos theory came  from basically running simulations or doing things   that required a massive amount of computation  that simply wouldn't be done by hand. Someone   cou..."

"probabilities but we're only allowed  to use unitaries.” They could have   just discovered quantum mechanics  or quantum information from there. The thing about math, especially if you're  talking abo..."

"Knot theory is something that emerged because  Lord Kelvin had a theory that all of the   elements on the periodic table had structures  which were related to a knot. A knot being if   you have a clos..."

"So really, you want to ask what are the  things that prompt people to ask what   turns out to be a mathematical question given  that the space of what would be mathematical   questions is so unfathoma..."

"I don't play enough games so I can't really  speak to it in the way that well-versed game   designers can but one thing to understand is that  games are very hard to make. It takes a lot of   resource..."

"the fundamental mechanics that become relevant  to much much harder ones such that if you do it   with the right sequence you have the feeling of  epiphany in ways that are very self-satisfying. You c..."

"in terms of more and more thought put towards  empathy to the learner and things like that. Should the top 0.1% of educators  exclusively be on the internet   because it seems like a waste if you were..."

"disagree with the idea of taking them out  of their existing circumstances. Maybe   for a year or two so they don't lose that  sharpness but then put them right back in   because it makes them better ..."

"Then should we think of educators  more as motivational speakers? As   in the actual job of getting the content  in your head is maybe for the textbooks   or for Youtube but why we have college  class..."

"Two examples of this come to mind. One  is this woman who was saying she had this   moment when she got pulled aside by the teacher  and he just said, “Hey, I think you're really   good at math. You s..."

"I was in the best possible circumstance  to not let that hit hard because one,   I had the moral high ground of “Hey, I've just  been helping all these people. I understand it   and I've been doing yo..."

"I had [Tyler Cowen on the   podcast](https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/tyler-cowen-2)  and he obviously has Marginal Revolution and   these youtube videos where he explains economics  and he had a simil..."

"It's the thing where if you  know a crossword is solvable,   you just keep going at it until you solve it. Or the four-minute mile, right? Exactly. That's a great example. Another valuable experience,..."

"Do you think it's fair to have a mental model that  has a static g-factor type quality here such that   your two standard deviations below and that is  forever the state of things? Or do you think   t..."

"that there are people like that. Von Neuman’s  another example of one of these, right? How much does Godel’s Incompleteness theorem  practically matter? Is it something that comes up   a lot or is it ..."

"That's really interesting that something  from the outside and in popularizations   seems to be a very fundamental thing where  people have definitely heard about this. A good analogy here is the halt..."

"like what's it like to not even know numbers?  How would you start to explain what numbers are?   Maybe you should go from a bunch of concrete  examples. But like the way that you think about   number..."

"Is the process of making your  videos, is that mostly you? Yes. Given the scale you're reaching,  it seems that if it was possible,   a small increase in productivity  would be worth an entire product..."

"It's similar for why I maybe find it quite  hard to use Co-pilot and some of these   LLM tools for the animation code. It can be  super great if you're learning some new library   and it knows about t..."

"the output. This is the comment describing  it in English. But even then that wouldn't   hit the problem. I would have to articulate  what the thing I want is in the first place.   And the program lan..."

"application I mentioned that during the summer,  in addition to the main task I wanted them to do,   I'd give them freedom to do something relevant  to math exposition online that was their own   thin..."

"I misphrased if I said production quality, I  just meant the whole composition as a whole. Yeah, well there's a selection filter too,  right? In that first year, there were 1200   submissions and I fe..."

"And I don't know the best way to get more people  into things. I have had a thought and this is   the kind of thing that could never be done in  practice but instead it's something you would   like wr..."

"Final question. This is something I  should have followed up on earlier,   but your plans to become a high  school teacher for some amount of   years. When are you planning on doing that  and what do ..."