"Michael Pollson, better known online as the primagen. He is a programmer who has entertained and inspired millions of people to have fun building stuff with software. Whether you're a newbie or a seas..."

"I watched I had the exact same experience in heavens forbid my uh software engineering class when we talked about the decorator pattern where you can keep on constructing these objects in this recursi..."

"beautiful. Recursion also for me when I finally wrap my brain around what it means to write a recursive function. What was the what was the thing? What was the like the one that taught you? Cuz I thin..."

"um game of life too, cellular automa that's when I I built that, you know all kinds of programming languages. that's less about programming language and more about the system you create. And that just..."

"know the university store and I buy a book and it's Dell and Dell learn Java and it has a section recursion. And so I open it up and I start reading it and it just doesn't hit home. And I'm like I'm s..."

"it was a great moment in my life. I mean it does require to be fair a leap of faith like because people will tell you those uh conformist dogmatic Java instructors will tell you that this is you know ..."

"what were we talking about? Oh, what was the most painful aspect of programming for you? Uh like what what memories do you have of uh deep profound suffering in terms of programming in the early days?..."

"special ops of programmers? Is it Cal team 6 of developers? What's DevOps? Can you define what are you a DevOps engineer? Well, people keep telling me DevOps isn't real. There's actually you want plat..."

"hire. Yeah, those people are actually amazing. Yeah. Of uh the time I spent at Google, it's like, oh yeah, yeah there's all these fancy machine learning people, but the the folks that are running the ..."

"Wow, that's You're almost a journalist. That's a headline. Uh, let's go back to the beginning. All right. Baby Prime. So, you mentioned Netflix. You've uh Oh, I worked at Netflix, by the way. For peop..."

"So, I guess if we're going to start with this whole journey, I think it's probably best to start when I was about four or five years old. That was the first time I was ever exposed to pornography. Uh,..."

"just felt so weird. So, kind of rewind as I got older, obviously was very good at computers, good at accessing porn, of course, uh played uh video games on the internet. Fun fun kind of like side ques..."

"programming. So, thank you that guy whatever your Twitch name was. But all right, so keep on going. As I got older I was super bad socially. I was not a very great social person. I high school was bru..."

"anything. Had to go to the hospital and all that. And when I was done, I just still remember kind of coming out of the hospital and at like that moment, it's kind of like something broken you. Have yo..."

"didn't care anymore. So all the kind of social awkwardness, if you will, all that kind of just died away with me, but also so did everything else. And so I started using a bunch of drugs, LSD mushroom..."

"to be this other person. And then I just went to sleep that night. Nothing changed in my life. Everything was still the way it was. I woke up the next day the same person. And I was just like, "Oh, th..."

"I've kind of been changed in the moment. And so from there I started actually trying in school. I always kind of joke around that I got 2.14 in high school. I had a teacher handw write me a note sayin..."

"life change. At that point, I started really, really, really wanting to never look at porn again because every single time just such shame and I really wanted to stop. And that was by far the hardest ..."

"be like can you drop me off at school and I'd be like no I'm programming. I was not a very nice, you know, I didn't think through things that well and I was just so into it and I just did it non-stop ..."

"sense. Let's try to reverse engineer some of the pain and some of the triumph. You made it sound easy at times. Let's try to understand it better. Maybe when you were 7 years old, what do you think ab..."

"out. And so I just kind of have more of like a fuzziness and just kind of a longing that I I just wish I had a dad. What impact did that have on your evolution, on your life, sort of having that longi..."

"you're surrounded by a bunch of people your age and it feels eternal. Yeah. You don't think like the people that are around you, you feel like are the people that will be there for the rest of your li..."

"where there is more consequences after that. Here you can you know if you like a girl ask her out try shit. If you get picked on, hit that guy back. Try shit out. I'm not going to condone punching ano..."

"having some level of confidence in yourself is probably a very valuable thing. But just remembering that this is such a short tiny moment in your life is just like a huge help. I mean the way you phra..."

"difficult. Yeah. I think it's even I you know people always say back in my day you know blah blah blah. I think it's genuinely harder today than it's ever been in the sense that when I was a kid there..."

"uncool, it actually might mean you are cool. Yeah. And you need to find that cool and grow it and let it flourish so that when real life begins, you can fucking come out of the gate firing on all cyli..."

"weirdos are the ones that are going to succeed. The weirdos in high school, uh probably because they also get bullied and they get to be tormented more psychologically and get to explore their own min..."

"It's like you have it's a much more difficult one in just like that. So, it feels accepted. And I think it's also an addiction you can practice, participate in privately, and hide it from the world. T..."

"around. Like I do think that the women that I dated during high school or the women after high school and college like I looked at them as a means to an end. I think porn greatly kind of shifted that ..."

"like you constantly need more and more dopamine. That's why people typically don't just watch five minutes of porn and call it a day. There's like, you know, the hundth tab joke that's always made on ..."

"great. It's objectively better to have like I would say that there's no universe that exists or there should be no argument possible that exists that a guy who has meaningless sex has a better or a mo..."

"not as nearly as important as you said as finding the right human, including I should put in that pile not just like a romantic partner, but like friendships like deep lasting friendships. Well, I mea..."

"confidence in me that there is not going to be a situation in which she has to question me in any kind of sense and that builds a much more deeply I I would argue a very deep relationship because the ..."

"be the next most impactful. I mean I'm like cleaning up after myself and stuff now. changed man. I'm a changed man. Can we try to reverse engineer that moment of you finding God? What is it at 19? Bec..."

"don't know if there's I don't think there's silver bullets, right? If someone could offer you a drug, I forget who says this phrase, but there's this really interesting phrase that goes something like..."

"into adventure, but but drugs is a it's if you fuck with the biochemistry of your brain, you can really destroy yourself in a way that's going to torment you. though. I would generally recommend that ..."

"time right there's a lot of uh personally I find that stuff uh to be very I believe in the spiritual realm right like I believe demons and angels exist I believe God exists and that kind of whole real..."

"skateboarding did a lot of, you know, running around. Would you say it's a pleasant feeling or is it more like an escape from the loneliness of life? What is it pleasant or negative? In the actual mom..."

"substance. Yeah. But there is some kind of uh like uh social signaling that happens when you have a drink in your hand. So I've been to gettogethers where I'm not drinking but just doing like a fake d..."

"States kids. And I should say, oh man, his funniest line. Diet Diet Coke is great. That's his funniest line, which is, you would hate me if I drink, which I just like to me that tickles me like to no ..."

"large. The other moment you mentioned that I think is really inspiring is that you know you failed pre-calculus, you really struggle in school like you realize that school is really hard and then even..."

"cram it in there and some people you know you hear these stories where they they barely show up to class and they get A's I've never been that person I've always been the person that has to sit down r..."

"Yeah. Once you cross that barrier somehow other things become easier. But then if you want to have a truly successful life, then you find the next barrier. Yeah. The next barrier. Yeah. I've always be..."

"much better. I think there's a deep profound truth to that. There's a lot of these phrases that just drive me nuts in our society. But but that one is sorry that one is really accepted if we can just ..."

"beautiful example of guitar and piano. I've put in I don't know how many thousands of hours. And now when I'm explaining stuff, jiu-jitsu as well. I'm I sound like I sound like one of those people lik..."

"smart. Nice. That's a t-shirt. That's what it should be. Yeah, agreed. Okay that was a tangent of a tangent. Can I say one more phrase, cultural phrase that I absolutely hate? Yes. Uh the journey is b..."

"how did you go from there from the hardship that we mentioned from the struggle from the addictions and so on to a place where you were working at this this incredible engineering company and uh build..."

"tell the Netflix story. Yeah. So, you know, I kind of alluded to it earlier that I wanted to do my own startup. So for I forget how long it was, one or two years or 2 and 1/2 years, built a startup PH..."

"non-stop doing that. This is like the height of Stack Overflow. Us asking really dumb questions on Stack Overflow like what is more Pythonic? And then you get a bunch of up votes and try to steal a bu..."

"real job. Can you say what the startup was? It is so wild thinking about it in the past. I before I tell you what it is I want to tell one quick thing about my dad. My dad in the early 90s, like 91 92..."

"just really early to something that would catch on really really big specifically in the telecommunication space. me as I grew up and did my own startup. I did a startup where was text message marketi..."

"startup in the telemarketing space in which was just like a half decade too early. So is it fair to say you're almost always ahead of your time at your visionary of sorts? No. In fact, I am not ahead ..."

"text, too. So, it's pretty, you know pretty clever, right? Six digits. Uh when I went out and sold it, I only had a flip phone during that time. I didn't even have a smartphone. Mhm. Right. Cuz that t..."

"must have been on some some amount of drugs. He threatened to kill us several times. Would just like scream and just lose his marbles all the time. Very unhinged man. Angry downstairs man is what we c..."

"which I kind of talked about the boredom there. Got to go to a place called Web Filings where I'm working just tons and tons of hours during all that time. I'm still trying to figure out startups. did..."

"things, working, learning about corporate life, learning how to communicate in corporate life. Uh, being able to be successful at a job, learning about a bunch of kind of technologies that were about,..."

"obviously just took Java and ripped it off at one point, but now it's such a dynamic, interesting language that it seems like it could be a really cool like bounds of practical versus not practical. I..."

"they also wanted me to do like 60 hours a week. um it was not very healthy work life balance was very hard work and kind of like that really hard work going to cutting edge stuff really understanding ..."

"I've touched these technologies Microsoft or Microsoft. Dang it, Lex. Fleeted pants. Pleated pants reached out. No, Netflix reached out and said "Hey, like I see you've done RxJS, you know, we do a lo..."

"love Bruce Willis. The other one has live free, die hard because you want tough men doing tough jobs. Well, during those days, we'd only have one way we could show evidence why you wanted it. So, we c..."

"else was. Yeah. Can you actually speak to the print of debugging? like you you walk into a system and there's a lot of systems in the world like this like uh Twitter was like this when you when uh whe..."

"I've always just been good at print debugging because one of my first kind of side quest jobs that I got was writing robots for the government when I was still at school. And so I'd kind of do this co..."

"Cuz when I was at Netflix, there's machines that exist somewhere where on AWS I'm not logged into them. I don't even know how to log into them. I'm not even sure if I have credentials to log into them..."

"bigger picture from that what the edge cases are that uh that break the system and not I mean I I think that just that kind of space like that kind of situation is um intimidating for a lot of enginee..."

"something obviously you see a lot with a JavaScript framework that comes out a new one every single day. So I have a very great story about that that this is what like I think has shaped me the most a..."

"that's a skill set that is extremely important for people to learn. I see that in myself that's a constant struggle for myself. I when uh facing a codebase for example, but this applies generally in l..."

"Reddit. Apparently there there are memes and legends about your uh programming arc in Netflix. Uh this Falcore system you mentioned somebody I think it was uh Tee. How do you pronounce his name by the..."

"it was. Uh anyways, and had to write the fix for it or the first fix. So this is how it works is that it you can do something pretty similar I believe with GraphQL as well. It has the same kind of dan..."

"one more item through 10,000, and then a whole bunch of properties, and then ask it to materialize? Well, I'm about to go create billions of objects in the JVM and what happens to the machine? It stop..."

"Isn't it possible to do DOSs or DOS on basically any software system? Like defending against all the, you know closing all those attack vectors is probably really difficult. If you take any soft suffi..."

"difficult place to to do it correct. This is super fascinating. I I do also wonder how many ultra competent uh what is it? Black hat hackers there are versus sort of the good guys versus the bad guys...."

"that's a really serious attack vector like human psychology and all that. I I kind of assume whenever there's a girl that approaches me it's kind of some kind of social engineering project. Some attac..."

"or destroy ourselves? Question mark. Uh, folks on Reddit, the good folks on Reddit demanded that I ask you about the time you broke production. Is this related to Falor? Did you break production? Is t..."

"But it was just so simple. You just press that button, boom, it just completely freezes the website. Polluting the code with sort of global variables that are holding values uh as PHP I think allows y..."

"amount of people all pushing to production. And so I I mean I personally love that. I think that you have to you have to gauge both the application you're building and its complexity and what you're p..."

"performance hit that that you detect. So like why switch to something else? But it's always probably as we'll talk about good to explore and to learn. Not all tools are great at solving all problems. ..."

"something like YouTube, they want to be able to serve that data as quick as possible. But their data changes constantly and relevance is almost directly tied with the newness of the item. So, it's lik..."

"to wait for like okay let's schedule a meeting for next Wednesday with the with the VPs and that destroys their soul and they either don't want to contribute anymore they leave the companies or they j..."

"live like that. I want to feel like I'm trying to do something. Uh I should also mention on top of that, so you've brilliantly laid out how incredible the challenge that Netflix has to solve. On top o..."

"try to figure out. Yep. Okay. So, yes YouTube and uh and Twitch and Netflix are doing an incredible job. You eventually uh chose the madman you are to leave Netflix and to start on the new journey of ..."

"a hospital directly where the money goes to. So, there's like a direct impact from A to B. So, it's like it's a pretty cool organization. And so, my friend Guy Sereno, uh, nice try guy is what I like ..."

"for a long, long time. And then eventually it just kept working out so well. And I started making YouTube videos. And then that started getting better. And it was just like a long long grind until Apr..."

"lot of fun. And the biggest thing is just being, you know, just being able to really explore and do these things on stream where people really enjoy watching and engaging has just been it's been a gre..."

"really nice. But there's it's not like it was at Netflix where I could hear about stuff people are building. I don't have a team. I don't have like product or cycles. I don't have a manager that I hav..."

"like I would have never done it this way. Crazy, right? Like wow I just this is awesome. And you kind of internally process this and you're like oh I now have a new little tool in my tool belt. You kn..."

"interaction. It just also makes everything much nicer. You know, it's really it really stinks to work with someone that's combative and negative. Like I don't mind combiveness if it's like I'm trying ..."

"cartridge. It was a badass game, right? And I got it and I put it in and I played and I played every day for like 10 hours a day for a month straight and I beat it and it was like such an incredible g..."

"extremely awful. Everything was just so It wasn't academic because it was research. It was like, "We're building the most sophisticated things and this is for the smart people and you everyone else is..."

"and like interact and stuff. And it's just so different than what was out there. And that the name Arnold Schwarzenegger talks about this thing where when he first started acting, his name was like th..."

"you uh do this incredible thing where you tried a bunch of different programming languages when you stream. you uh you have like you go all out on certain programming languages like Rust and then Go a..."

"at it. What exactly are you reading? Like the like language reference, the language reference. So, it just goes through like every feature top to bottom, right? Every way it's described all the differ..."

"for speed, which is a great thing in some like you we have to make those trade-offs all the time in engineering. Sometimes you have to move fast at the sacrifice of knowledge and I'm totally on board ..."

"question of what's the what's the best programming language? Um let's say what's the best programming language that everybody should learn. Maybe uh let's go with the top five. I'm going to pull up th..."

"Also, we mentioned sort of in terms of applications, anything that relates to data or machine learning, Python is uh the sort of the leader there. Yeah that's a great one. Seems like Python CUDA stuff..."

"You can do functions, you can do all that you should stored procedures that that's how you make your life hell. Um I will say that all the top languages right there are none of them are like strict uh..."

"language to do that in. Um, it can get a little wild. New C++ seems great. Everyone keeps telling me new C++ is great. Mhm. Um, it has every feature you've ever wanted and all the features you don't w..."

"a niche topic. Programming is already a pretty small topic. Then you get into functional programming. That's a small topic in a small topic. Yeah. I don't get that much. If I post something about Emac..."

"they don't take it easy on you. Zigg seems like it's a really amazing language and so does Jai. They're both very cool. Yeah, actually I saw uh Dave uh Plamer's testing of close to 100 languages for s..."

"like everything you kind of want in that region where where you can express safe code and unsafe code. It's very easy to write. It's very It's very pretty or at least the idea behind it is very pretty..."

"Yeah. That's really interesting. I mean it's safe. It's it's trying to be and and this the safety might be it's uh create limitations. Let us consult the AI overlords. Russ is a blazing fast memory ef..."

"incorrectly like J I'm not exactly it's not really been designed for the web world I just got done writing the ability to read Twitch chat and it required me to do Berkeley sockets so if you're unfami..."

"sending it to all the people in chat. So, where's the that that pipe where that pipeline how chat is able to control the Doom thing? Twitch chat. Yeah. So they would go, people would span W and if you..."

"actually made it a little bit difficult because people would often overturn and then go forward and like miss the door and then they had to go back and that's awesome. It was awesome. So that was my f..."

"here. Yeah. You you want to captain the meme train or you want to ride on the meme train. Yeah. or you just want to be able to like create a culture on your chat because your chat's going to be some v..."

"you're not just making up the term. Thank you. Wow. Yeah. But it's probably made up and probably only 10 people said it at Netflix and so no one's going to know it and they're gonna be like "Yeah, rig..."

"answer. But it's cool that you sort of make it accessible on all these different platforms and I have high hopes for X, but yeah, it's feature- wise, it still has a lot of growing up to do and and jus..."

"technology shape the discourse? It's fascinating cuz X has a different style than Reddit different style than like Facebook different style than Instagram. It's interesting and all those comment secti..."

"streaming. Th all all the same folks show up and they talk shit. They celebrate. They all like the the meme train arrives. Yeah. Okay. So now, what projects shape you as a programmer? Uh whether the o..."

"were my initial gut decisions about how I design software, but b now I need to go back and think about like how am I going to do testing across this in a more effective way? How can I scale this out t..."

"trying to get it to the point where I should be able to shoot from the hip and do 20,000 lines and not be upset about it. So first of all the just enjoying the thing you create part. Yeah about there ..."

"actually works. So yeah, that I don't know if it's 5 10,000 lines of code. If it's Java or C++, it's millions lines of code. But yeah, um in Python, yeah, I would say 10,000 lines of code. That's when..."

"positive space like uh you know these things should happen or negative space like you should not this pointer should never be null. you're programming into things that should never happen. Normally, y..."

"has to be true. It's also adding things that are like you might not even think about. you have to sort of anticipate really weird things. And if you add asserts especially in complicated functions or ..."

"a loose design, maybe a strict design but really you're solving puzzles that are not it is a dark room in a in a fundamental sense. And there you have to anticipate the kind of weirdnesses that might ..."

"it's like, well, users are going to see this crash. It's like, yeah, well, you should minimize the number of times any user ever sees the crash. Not by like having a nice blue screen or whatever the f..."

"robots and so on. You uh have struggled with ADHD. I think uh a lot of people are really inspired by the fact that you're able to be productive and flourish uh while having ADHD. How'd you overcome it..."

"large part that really helps me. Um there's things that I still obviously struggle with. Like it's clear where I'm really bad at stuff and just trying to like think through all the different things th..."

"you said a lot of interesting things. So on the on the reading and the for me it's also audiobook side. I do uh the same thing and I've gotten much better at it which is like you know I tune out menta..."

"change yourself. Yeah. And with with every medium with every platform I think it's like a new skill. Uh for me like using social media has been that just like I end up like doom scrolling Yeah. too ea..."

"technological age. Yeah, that's a skill. What What can you say to the the the skill of achieving focus in programming? like do do you have a process of how you sit down and try to sort of approach a p..."

"also it's the same reason why I recommend learning how to type and learning your editor so well you don't even have to think about the action because the people that have to even if you just look down..."

"Which is I do not edit my RC other than some kind of cataclysmic thing like someone updates a plugin and I didn't know they updated it and now there's like a hard air in my editor and I have to like m..."

"perfect. All right. 0 to 60. Let's talk about the perfect setup. Uh, what's your uh perfect programming setup? Keyboard, operating system, how many screens? Chair. All right, I like all these IDE. Let..."

"pleasant and fast and easy physically to correct a mistake. I that's probably for me the number one reason of kinesis. everything else. Yeah, super plus with the macros and the positioning, the concav..."

"extra things, that's alt four. I had all these kind of everything is perfectly mapped out to single key. And then when it comes down to using say T-Mox, I have all my terminals into one single termina..."

"folders on my operating system in which I can go to with just a couple keystrokes and boom I'm in that one now and so it's like very oriented to find where I need to be as quickly as possible via keyb..."

"think as much because I think search fatigue is a massive fail where you have to look for like when I see people on a Mac do this and then explode all the different ones. That gives me anxiety. I'm li..."

"trade-off there, like I always have three monitors, not not when I'm traveling, but my my happy place is three monitors. It's like, do you really need all of them to be present there? So, you're turni..."

"there's a big cost because you you know it's an extra monitor but there is some stuff that's vertical when vertically positioned code see code is an iffy one because code you really you 25 lines at a ..."

"pretty zoomed in. Um my text is bigger than this when I when I program. And so it's it's just that it's so comfortable. I don't even have to exert any effort to read the code. But you have to kind of ..."

"Code, take your little beautiful mouse highlight those things, press the backspace. That's lovely. Your hand left the keyboard. Very simple to do, though. It's very beginner friendly. Uh I was a huge ..."

"you know, onto the text editor. And so that's why I think Vim Motions are superior in all aspects. Keep your hands on the keyboard on the home row and can manipulate text in very wide and fast ways. O..."

"do that way faster than one finger twice. It's just a little optimization for me cuz you can't press that as fast. So anyways, very optimized in my approach. So I yank the line, paste the line, CI dou..."

"to endure pain, it's good. If you're not, it's it's actually way worse. It's 100 times worse, right? So, if you like paying, you use Neoim. Totally. Yeah. You're totally Now you get it. If you like Jo..."

"of joy from getting better. They don't enough ask the meta question of like how can I do this better? And with editors it's surprisingly how how often people do just that. Yeah. With typing it's surpr..."

"felt like you want to learn these constant sort of different technologies you know cursor isam a great example of that of primarily am using cursor now I'll go back to VS code and cursor the just the ..."

"different experience than the really efficient joyful experience that you just described and you're selling me on this as Neoim that doesn't have an AI in the picture obviously immediately but you can..."

"the problem is is whenever I get a back um I just slouch and I find myself just getting uncomfortable and I'm like, why am I I'm uncomfortable. Like my my shoulders are kind of getting goofed up. I ju..."

"just long as I can press one button and go. Yeah, I'm the same. So, half and half. So, half Linux, the other half Windows with with Linux, meaning uh WSL. What's that? Windows subsystem for Linux. Wea..."

"frame sort of what this the automation process that you describe of automating away assigning shortcuts to things that are painful. So, that that that procedure I mean I wonder if you agree with that...."

"so it's kind of funny that I've I've fallen for my own stuff. I'm high on my own supply pretty hard right now. Uh I just got done ordering 16 bags and gave it out to my family to try to convince them...."

"cool idea. Love it. Speaking of which let's talk about AI. All right. you've been both sort of positive and negative on on the role of AI in the in the whole programming software engineering experienc..."

"reason I use actually copilot cursor a lot is for developing the skill of editing AI so I can just learn how to do that better and better because I think as I do that better and better I start to util..."

"have to like be empathic be like okay these are the code the files it's aware of this is the specifics of the question you asked it like you have to like imagine you're an intern that doesn't know any..."

"Yeah. I think it's a skill of almost empathy with an AI system because it doesn't know there the uh you know what it's missing? It's missing like common sense. It's missing long-term memory. A lot of ..."

"useful yet in programming. programming and I should also say that I'm using it uh in yeah in every walk of life in every context I use that same kind of exploration about prompts and so on I'm using a..."

"clarify you're feeding in Twitch chat. These are the thoughts you're you're a manager. These are the thoughts you have in your head. Pick out some of the most profound thoughts effectively. It's like ..."

"bound to how good the LLMs are. So if you believe that the LLM will be vastly superior to humans in the next year maybe that's a good bet. But if they aren't, then your skill ceiling is bound to whate..."

"the wave of the improvement. Yeah, I'm on that team very much. So, a lot of people have written to me. I think a lot of developers, programmers are really concerned about the future of their professio..."

"are used to programming that lower level language. Uh so there's going to be a continuous evolution and maybe that means with with AI there's going to be more and more evolution towards natural langua..."

"some extent, right? Um because no matter how much no matter how much we want to say how good AI is, there comes a point where there exists a bug, there exists a large piece of software in which to des..."

"people, yeah, it's a job, but it's also a source of meaning, a source of joy. Like programming is fun. You're creating something cool and also potentially that a lot of people use. There's this one th..."

"in the particular industry in a particular context application knowing like this is it. Yeah. this the rounded corners on this button. That's exactly that that's beautiful. So just a sense of beauty u..."

"be successful. Um there's like a certain level of specifying where you specify too much it just like can't do it. If you specify too little it just does weird things. So it's kind of like this very ki..."

"uh of course AI could maybe create like logs and do traces and do some kind of load in a huge amount of data that humans can't but ultimately that just means It could be a better assistant in debuggin..."

"impossible because the if statement right beforehand leaves the function if the string is too long. So, it's like we don't even run into this case. It's impossible what you're saying. So debugging is ..."

"aggressive format. I mean it's a fascinating world we're entering into but I do agree with you that humans human developers will be a huge part of that world that this is not the job might evolve but ..."

"the developers identify for AI tools. Okay, so this is what are the benefits? Increase productivity, speed up learning, greater efficiency, improve accuracy in coding, make workload more manageable, i..."

"programming. Sure. Yeah. If you say write to me, you know, write me quicksort, some people think quicksort's super complex. Mhm. But I would argue that that's actually probably the simplest thing you ..."

"it's a it's a real wild west cuz like you could imagine that what if you know I always use Europe because they tend to have like maybe the most consumer protection uh laws out there. You could imagine..."

"know I'm sure there's hundreds of horror stories you could hear where people definitely shortcuted their morals for you know monetary success. Yeah. I mean the golden handcuffs uh comfort can destroy ..."

"exciting. Maybe in virtual reality. There you Maybe all of us actually down the line will just be building video games. Just entertainment for all. The uh brave new world of our world. Well, I think I..."

"naked behind a dumpster somewhere just wondering what happened. Um yeah, so that's how I choose my video games. You're not the first person who has specifically called out civilization. Yeah, I've had..."

"know your capacity for love until you have kids. Like you you just don't know. And some people are like, "Oh, yeah, but I like love my dog." And it's just like I loved my dogs, too. And then I had kid..."

"trade-off. like that love you feel it seems to be a catalyst for like to make sure you have less time but you're going to use that time better to be productive. I would argue that I'm it definitely ch..."

"is that Microsoft was once accused of eee and it feels like they're eeeing again. Yeah, I'm nervous about criticizing a good thing because you could see an incentive to do that good thing like Google ..."

"to look at it and I think that's that's really nice. But we should always be skeptical. Yeah. I mean because at the end of the day, companies, they're not good, they're not bad, right? They're they're..."

"Ladies?" And I just didn't even see it coming. And I was just like, "What?" And he's like, "Ye ladies, nuts on your face." And then it's just like, "Oh my gosh." And then a pirate software has also go..."

"so it's like very funny moment. And so I was like, "Oh, that's funny." You know that happened. Uh two, that was about six years ago last year. I was at a conference and there's a guy wearing a Stack O..."

"really, you know, it was a very tough set of years for me. And I was very very sad and just always kind of just constantly looking for something to fulfill me. And so it's like I didn't have any confi..."