"there is a famous story about Einstein that he used to you know go think think and then go for a walk and like he would whistle and sometimes so I remember the first time I heard this story I thought ..."

"you open your book love and math with a question how does one become a mathematician there are many ways that this can happen let me tell you how it happened to me so how did it happen to you so first..."

"what I really liked was physics and especially quantum physics so I was buying uh I would go to a bookstore and buy popular books about elementary particles and atoms and things like that and read the..."

"evgeny evgenievich Petrov yeah and if this doesn't remind you of the great works of Russian literature then you haven't read them like War and Peace you know like with the patronym nickname yeah but t..."

"for example do you know what quirks and I said yes of course I know what quarks quarks are the you know constituents of particles like protons and neutrons and it was one of the greatest discoveries i..."

"he said you think what they teach you at school is mathematics it's like no this is real mathematics so I was instantly converted that you understand the underpinnings of physical reality you have to ..."

"craving was a deeper understanding and up to that point the deepest that I could see was for those diagrams but for that story that you know a proton consists of three quarks and the neutron consists ..."

"and the joy of going deeper into the kind of the uh to the root uh to the so the deepest structures of the universe the secrets the the secrets and we may not discover all of them we may not be able t..."

"it's interesting um I don't think there are so few to be honest because I think I find a lot of people are actually interested if you do talk if you talk to people you know like some people you wouldn..."

"are people are curious science is a is still a very much uh you know something that people want to learn because that's our kind of uh the best way we know to establish some sort of objective reality ..."

"um hints even more at home how how much we are connected to each other because dagger's theory if you think about it or any other mathematical theorem means the same thing to anyone in the world today..."

"but it does feel like math and physics are both sneaking up to a deep truth from slightly different angles and you stand at the crossroads or at the intersection of the two it's interesting to ask wha..."

"um mathematicians are in a way we have more diversity if you if you you might say so we we are accepting for instance uh our universe uh has three special spatial dimensions and one time Dimension rig..."

"mathematically we are just as interested in theories in 10 space time Dimensions or 11 or 25 or whatever or or infinite dimensional spaces you know so that's the difference on the other hand I have to..."

"to reality and it seems to happen quite a bit that's right so the mathematics is the underpins physics obviously it's a language the the book of nature famously said it's written in the language of ma..."

"so do you think just lingering on that point you think at the end of the day the future Generations will all be mathematicians meaning meaning the ones that deeply understand the way the universe work..."

"declares that everything is mathematics so math can generate things that are beautiful but it can't explain why it's beautiful Matthew could say is a way to discern patterns to find regularities in th..."

"place where we hit the end so to speak and then um proceeding in the same vein then Einstein's general relativity Theory tells us that our space-time is not flat either this is much harder to to imagi..."

"perpendicular lines but if you zoom out you see that the spacer at a curving the space they are sort of the the tracks along which the space gets curved that's that's the that would be the curvature o..."

"seems to be the only way we can understand the universe and the fact that you can start now up to now there are people who claim that they can that they have they possess other ways of of experiencing..."

"love when you are passionate about something when you're creating something you're we lose ourselves and we lose the sense of time and space for that matter you see so there is only that which is happ..."

"in sequence or at least that's the way we tell ourselves that and we also have a bunch of weird human things like Consciousness and the experience of free will that we chose a set of actions as the ti..."

"time I think we like to play with these experiences with all the drama of it with all the memories with all the tribulations I think we love it we love it otherwise we wouldn't be doing it I think thi..."

"knowledge lady was lying before me who probably it was the greatest mathematician of the second half of the 20th century the French mathematician Alexander grotonic wrote that discover is a privilege ..."

"we grow up do you struggle with that you're one of the most respected mathematicians in the world uh your Berkeley you're like this this is the stature you're supposed to be very like you know yeah so..."

"because you know you go through education system and for many of us uh it's not especially helpful for maintaining that connection that we kind of like we are being told certain things that we accept ..."

"education system should not be also uh kind of taming that a little bit obviously the goal is balance that acquiring knowledge so that we can be more mature and more discerning more discriminating in ..."

"great ones yeah who have credentials in the sense that they have shown and they have proved that they have done something that other humans appreciate our civilization appreciates say Isaac Newton or ..."

"this very interesting times of new AI systems coming online pretty much every couple of weeks so I kind of um to me that whole debate about what is it what is artificial intelligence where is it going..."

"everything is accumulation of knowledge that just bigger and bigger data sets finer and finer neural networks and then we will be able to replicate human consciousness if we take that point of view th..."

"because when you look more closely you recognize that there are some other things at play which do not quite fit the narrative and it's hard to know where they come from it's it's also possible that t..."

"actually they hold within them the knowledge of several billions of years right the question is whether as a child you carry that in the form of the kind of computational algorithms that we are aware ..."

"kind of buy into religion official religion you know so we have this urge I suppose to to explain and to know and to dissect and to analyze and to conceptualize which is a wonderful quality that we ha..."

"complexity it's just mimicking it's trying to compress all the weirdness of humans of all the debates and discussions the perspectives all the different ways that people approach solving different pro..."

"we also do other things we can be truly in love we can be truly inspired when it is not fake I do believe call me a romantic okay but I do believe and this is a very good I'm glad you're putting it in..."

"that and to kind of show his gamesmanship if you will and and his proclivity and his ability as a writer but it's another thing if at the end of writing this book when you finish the book he would say..."

"it's recovering is recovering addict to knowledge let me say what you gain from it for instance I understand the value of paradoxes I I appreciate paradoxes more and you know to to use another philoso..."

"this bottle if you project it down onto the table you will see more or less a square it will project it onto wall you will see a different shape a naive question would be is it this or that because we..."

"um when I talk about uh electrons for instance so that there is a very specific way in which you in which this is realized there is a so-called double slit experiment right so um for those who don't k..."

"an experiment we will see different results and the problem the problem is that our psyche I feel kind of lagging is lagging behind in part because maybe our scientists are not doing such a great job ..."

"attention to that so but of course it's not just um self-imposed limitation unfortunately in this case there is a big issue of Education so a lot of people are not aware of it through no fault of thei..."

"for my own relationship to the physical reality to my own life you know because it's kind of scary I guess you know but also what are the tools with which we can talk about the Observer the subjective..."

"mysterious okay he actually said that there are some quotes which are attributed to him which he never said but this he did I investigated okay so but more importantly you know how do you feel about i..."

"meaningful because if all the information that you get the all the knowledge that had been accumulated up to that point tells you that you cannot have a square root of a negative number why because if..."

"plus C equals zero and there is a Formula which solves it using radicals using square roots and cardano was trying to find a similar formula for the cubic and quadratic equations for which which would..."

"coordinates X and Y and you associate to this point with coordinates X and Y and the number X which is a real number plus y times square root of negative one this is a graphical geometrical representa..."

"which are all powers of two to square this four two to the third power is eight that's one of the bigger mysteries in mathematics why it is so so here's a hint that's a hint of what's missing in our o..."

"imagination that Einstein spoke about of the artists following their intuition in this big Alice in Wonderland world of of uh imagination what is it you visit there sometimes what does it feel like ye..."

"what does it mean usually mathematicians or others who have this you know idea what a belief are called platonists in in honor of the great philosopher Plato who talked about this absolute perfect for..."

"is clear-cut yeah it's either true or false yeah it's very nice yeah the biggest delusion of allegedly I think now I think now I understand why I liked it because I think that I was very dissatisfied ..."

"um invented or discovered whether there is this world of pure forums and so on is another paradoxical question which doesn't have a simple answer like whether electron is a particle or a wave from one..."

"not in the world that we usually think of so it's it's one point of view but the other point of view is that yes it is a human process of course it is I mean it is you cannot deny that it's human bein..."

"know I quote that earlier the the opposite of a great truth is another great truth he's pointing out to this fact that you know and he also said that some some things in quantum physics are so complic..."

"about is it really is just some play between some kind of like silophone play or some neurons or hitting on each other is it really that only maybe it could be it could be both I'm just worried about ..."

"the period of this revolution is around 2000 years so there is a traditional uh way of measuring that by this eras you know the the ages so the previous one is called the age of Pisces because of the ..."

"this even even now so it's not just a linear trajectory of an expanding knowledge there's a deep truth that permeates the whole thing yes so that's how I see it actually I you know I gave a talk about..."

"actually they were much more interesting so for them numbers were not just clerical devices you know that not kind of thing that you would use in accounting only they were imbued with with the Divine ..."

"put this way they were able to Divine okay abstract that to intuitive to Intuit that the the planets were not revolving and the Sun and the planets were not revolving around the earth they were the fi..."

"bodies was like music in fact we call it musical universalis or Music of the Spheres for them the universe was this infinite Symphony in which every being you know humans animals but as well as the Ea..."

"detect it's finite but the world is infinite they actually accepted Infinity they believe that infants is real and if you discern a pattern great you can play with it and you can use that it gives you..."

"we say oh that's mystical but what does it mean mystical if it is something that helps you to make great discoveries and the interesting thing is that the people who are in touch with the mystical Amo..."

"couch a couch a therapist okay the guy did not have the courage to go out in the in the real world and to meet a woman and to you know get a girlfriend and so on it's true no fault of his own perhaps ..."

"although you might say by then some of those might be Androids and that was predicted by another great movie yeah right uh so the Blade Runner Blade Runner how interesting that artists could see that ..."

"that's I don't know what that is okay I agree with you I I hear you I hear you when you speak about it yeah you speak with passion yeah and that's for me that is proof but it is magical you see uh so ..."

"and that's what we for now exactly so on one side there is this impulse of finding this Theory a theory and then there is another impulse to escape from what has already been known so one in other wor..."

"succeed right exactly quick pause bathroom break you mentioned gato's the completeness theorem uh can you can you talk a little bit about it what is it as you understand it did it break mathematics ma..."

"something new which may be a computer will not be able to again with a caveat according to our current understanding maybe some new technology some new ideas will be brought into the subject and the m..."

"anyone has a good answer a good model of why stuff emerges why complexity emerges from a lot of simple things it's a why question I suppose another but every why question will eventually have a a rigo..."

"instance uh you got this the bus the Rubens bars you know where you have from one perspective it's of us from another perspective it's two faces then there is this Duck Rabbit picture where you can Go..."

"and for some for each picture of this nature and there are a bunch of them you can easily find online my mind immediately interprets it in a particular way but because I know that other people have co..."

"still there it's our limitations of being able to grasp the whole that's complementarity and we know that from quantum mechanics that our physical reality is like that rather than being certain rather..."

"implicit in the discussion of the question is thinking computational and so on is the idea that our conscious awareness covers everything within our psyche and we we just know that that's not the case..."

"idea in mathematics another one we can ask is which is the most beautiful equation in mathematics hmm well I mean I may have just broken your brain because because what your brain is doing is walking ..."

"you see and if you take e to the power 2 pi I you get one actually one um so I would guess that that's but in other words the initial reaction is just that of a surprise I guess I guess for anyone who..."

"death of loved our loved ones and how we miss them and how we you know that sense of loneliness and inability to interact directly that that's not something that is nice with me but I think it's also ..."

"you know and when he is somebody sincere and he puts his opens his cards and you know and say this is why that's what I want to do it because I want to recreate my father and I want to be able to talk..."

"courage and it takes a certain self-awareness I would say and which brings I mean you know I think the crucial is that that which was inscribed you know on the Temple of a Poland Delphia there was a s..."

"my mind you see and so as I become as I became self-aware suddenly other possibilities opened and suddenly that conflict which by the way if I kept giving this nasty you know talks about him one one d..."

"humility also yeah so like I find it extremely hard now to like really Lush out at somebody and to say like you're horrible whatever because immediately question is who am I to criticize you know so i..."

"formulas did you know that there is a Supreme Court decision that mathematical formulas cannot be patented like Einstein could not patent equal E equals m c squared it doesn't belong to him because if..."

"that's the famous cup trick you know okay look so this is how it works no tricks no tricks no matter what honest it is magical okay not because I'm tricking you so you start with a a bottle like this ..."

"a certain duplicity if you will and that duplicity is rooted mathematically in this in this experiment this little experiment that they have just done so I can I imagine speaking of imagination okay y..."

"when when not in working in specific field by kind of but kind of cutting across fields and um and then I we discovered that for instance I took some people who know what happens in this field but don..."

"it means that what we believe are the fundamental elements of uh of mathematics are not fundamental there is something Beyond it's like we previously thought that atoms were indivisible then we found ..."

"yes fascinating I enjoy I enjoyed it very much I also felt they have to keep up you know and uh so we wrote this long paper and in 2007 and we collaborated for about a year I have known him before and..."

"in other words being able to glean some mathematical truths from um physical theories that's one side on the other hand conversely applying sophisticated mathematics he's probably uh the physics who k..."

"right now and I think that new ideas perhaps are needed and I I wouldn't be surprised if Wheaton is one of those people who come up with those ideas well he has been one of the one of the people that ..."

"because it has given us so much so much food for thought but do you think it's a correct or a incorrect theory for understanding this reality so it might be a theory that explains some 10th dimensiona..."

"everything in one equation now physicists on the other hand have been brought up educated for decades with this idea and to me and I I'm not sure I should say that but I feel like it's a kind of an ul..."

"greater generality which is what makes it so unique and so beautiful but then there are on top of that there are this issue of quantization of actually describing them as Quantum field Theory and the ..."

"see so that I totally see but I don't see one equation governing one one equation governing them all not one equation to govern them all but it does seem that such equations exist what she will tell y..."

"away and it's a very interesting setup and also on the one hand we are all supposed to be the truth Seekers and but in reality of course it is a human activity and it is a human community and with all..."

"20 50 100 years I wonder uh I wonder and I wonder that you know how do you make sense that Einstein was working after attempting I believe to be a university Professor yeah as a patent clerk well but ..."

"don't think people who are not who are not in the field understand what kind of focus and concentration actually doing like mathematics at the top level these days requires because we're not talking a..."

"no it's deliberate because you know um first of all my first years as a mathematician you know I worked every day and weekends holidays doesn't matter um I didn't even question that so I would feel so..."

"know how in eastern tradition they have this concept of Satori like in Buddhism and Buddhism you have this Satori which is enlightenment and so the various reports of Buddhist monks or Buddhist Master..."

"and you just don't see it and it can have it can go on for months super frustrating but without it it is it is nothing kind of you know I would love to hear your opinion uh to the degree that you know..."

"it's going to take would it be useful to maybe try to explain from us Last Theorem sure it's easy to do it empty missed I think I always think that everything can be explained you know even though I s..."

"it at some point I I give I was given a public talk about this and I made it as a joke I made a tweet in which I wrote that I have proved this theorem but 280 characters are not enough and the kind of..."

"to be correct now uh what he proved actually was not verma's theorem itself but a certain statement which is called shimurtaniam away conjecture named after three mathematicians to Japanese mathematic..."

"to even if you prove it for cubes and for fourth power and fifth then still there's six sevens and so on the infinitely made cases in which it has to be proved and so you see um the separated simple r..."

"because he's was such a top level mathematician people would guess that he has some idea that there is some idea so you know if you just know that somebody's has an idea this already gives you a great..."

"this more this moment when suddenly you see that it's like you in this case it was literally I had to compile these diagrams with what mathematicians call homology groups and spectral sequences and ma..."

"wanted to share it with my teacher as soon as possible you know and and he he understood quickly and he's like yeah good job you know is there some something you can give color to the drama Erica's ta..."

"I mean part of that is just the way of life and the strategies um and oftentimes when you look at who wins the Nobel Prize it's also tragic because sometimes so many minds are like the trajectory to t..."

"say I think it's happening not because of my efforts on alone obviously there are many other messages who are around the same time started to put more effort because see if the old stereotype of mathe..."

"were accepted so then I had to go to this um there was one school technical school in Moscow which was the institute for oil and gas exploration which had a Applied Mathematics program and that's wher..."

"and so when I finally when I finally connected to that boy oh my God that was a totally different experience all the pain and all the trauma came to the surface and it was a kind of a tsunami I didn't..."

"I can't even describe it but suddenly he comes alive and suddenly it's like oh he's here and I and I got a little talk with him and I said look you know I know now and thank you I'm so sorry that I ne..."

"cruelty that you experience because if you did that early on I was not ready for it it is a defense mechanism I could be I could have come you know there were kids who commit suicide after this experi..."

"um you said you lost your father four years ago yeah what have you learned about life from your dad that's another another big one yeah because I was very close to him and uh it was tough it was tough..."

"what uh we've talked about love but let me ask what role does Love play in this whole game in The Human Condition it's like the glue you know it's like for me it's like that it's and it's not because ..."

"the experience where you forget or time we're reminded becomes an illusion and everything just freezes oh my God and then uh it's kind of beautiful and painful to hear you say that when you've experie..."

"yeah the roller coaster life the Paradox of life right Edward you're an incredible human being I've been a fan for a long time thank you for writing love and math thank you thank you for being who you..."